iPad sales will help Apple top HP, become largest mobile PC vendor in 2012

[*LTD*]

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/NewsSearch.asp?DocID=PD000000000000000000000000020448&query=APPLE

http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._become_largest_mobile_pc_vendor_in_2012.html



iPad sales will help Apple top HP, become largest mobile PC vendor in 2012


Apple is expected to dethrone market leader HP in terms of global notebook shipments next year, if the iPad is categorized as a portable computer.

The revelation comes from industry sources who spoke with DigiTimes. They said Apple is expected to ship a total of 60 million iPads in 2012, out of 80 million total tablets shipped.

When 15 million MacBooks are added into the equation, Apple would ship an estimated 75 million portable PCs in 2012. That would give the Cupertino, Calif., company 25 to 30 percent of the global notebook market.

HP is expected to ship between 45 million and 56 million units this year. And sources in the overseas electronics supply chain reportedly believe that HP will not be able to compete with Apple next year.

With the iPad categorized as a PC, Apple already became the top PC seller in the U.S. last October. Since then, iPad and Mac sales have only continued to grow.

Accordingly, a number of market research firms have begun classifying the iPad as a PC in their analyses. One tally released in January by Canalys found that Apple was the No. 3 worldwide PC maker with combined Mac and iPad sales, behind only Acer and HP.

Arguments against categorizing the iPad as a PC may carry even less weight after the release of iOS 5 this fall, adding PC-free setup to its touchscreen tablet. Wireless iTunes sync over Wi-Fi and iCloud backups will also allow users to ditch any wires in setting up and maintaining their iPhone or iPad.

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So now we're at the point of classifying the iPad as a PC. Officially. Do you see what's happening here?

This is the transition at work, made more palpable as time goes on.

 

[neiltc13]

Having an analyst class iPad as a PC doesn't make it any more suitable a replacement for my laptop.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Having an analyst class iPad as a PC doesn't make it any more suitable a replacement for my laptop.

No but it make Apple fans like *LTD* feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside. No matter how worthless the classification is.
iPad is not a PC no matter how you cut it.

 

[*LTD*]

No but it make Apple fans like *LTD* feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside. No matter how worthless the classification is.

Canalys is already doing it.

So is DisplaySearch.

What happens when everyone is doing it and it becomes the norm?

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Canalys is already doing it.

So is DisplaySearch.

What happens when everyone is doing it and it becomes the norm?

The norm does not make it write.
Normal people think all "malware" are viruses. Yet that is incorrect.
Just because those companies are doing that does not make mean it is correct. It gets head lines and them references by the media so others companies will buy a more detailed break down but end of the day it is still an incorrect and they know it but to them it is marketing.

 

[*LTD*]

The norm does not make it write.
Normal people think all "malware" are viruses. Yet that is incorrect.
Just because those companies are doing that does not make mean it is correct. It gets head lines and them references by the media so others companies will buy a more detailed break down but end of the day it is still an incorrect and they know it but to them it is marketing.

I fear you may end up shouting to an empty room. Whether in your opinion you think it's correct or not isn't the issue. It's on track to becoming a reality.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I fear you may end up shouting to an empty room. Whether in your opinion you think it's correct or not isn't the issue. It's on track to becoming a reality.

By the grounds of how they are defining an iPad as a computer means every single smart phone out there should be defined as a mobile computer. It is running a mobile OS and as such not a computer. Netbook are boarder line iPad and other tablet sure as hell do not belong.

But like I said before this type of stuff makes Apple fans all giddy so they do it to get the hits and press to pick up on it.
Break down is really simple. Does it run a desktop OS. If yes then I will call it a personal computer (aka PC) If no then it is some type of mobile device but not a PC.
Other wise it is just boarding the term to dilute the statics to being worthless unless you are willing to pay for the information break down.

 

[*LTD*]

By the grounds of how they are defining an iPad as a computer means every single smart phone out there should be defined as a mobile computer. It is running a mobile OS and as such not a computer. Netbook are boarder line iPad and other tablet sure as hell do not belong.

And there are many who would disagree with you. There are countless threads debating the definition of "computer" and "PC." You can debate opinion as much as you like, but at the end of the day I don't make up the stories or define reality. I just reproduce it here. Your railing against it doesn't really change it. If it makes no sense to you, you can either come to terms with it or not.

For some, this news is something to look forward to. For others, it's a warning.

 

[RWinOR]

Having an analyst class iPad as a PC doesn't make it any more suitable a replacement for my laptop.

Didn't they same the same thing when PC replaced mainframes. Everyone said PC's were no more than toys.

Look what happened with that prediction.

 

[Alaerian]

Having an analyst class iPad as a PC doesn't make it any more suitable a replacement for my laptop.

For a very large number of people, an iPad could easily replace their computer. It may not replace yours - that's the exception. You != everyone else.

My mother has her own laptop. The ONLY thing she does is email and the internet. I still have no idea why she owns it.

 

[*LTD*]

For a very large number of people, an iPad could easily replace their computer. It may not replace yours - that's the exception. You != everyone else.

My mother has her own laptop. The ONLY thing she does is email and the internet. I still have no idea why she owns it.

Take your mother as an example. It's not a unique scenario. Rather, it's very typical. Given that scenario, which is repeated lord knows how many millions of times, and we're talking about a very, very substantial amount of PCs being potentially replaced.

Over the next 2-3 years, I would not want to be a manufacturer whose main revenue stream comes from desktops and notebooks. There is a large scale attempt to diversify at the moment, but most of the box-makers aren't pulling it off as of yet. Which does not mean that we're not actually entering this new phase, but that this new phase looks increasingly like it will be Apple-dominated.

Imagine the iPod situation. That was certainly pervasive enough. It still is. Now apply it to a main computing device. And the hardware + OS is under the same roof.

The next year or so will be very interesting.

 

[sushi]

For most people, and iPad does what they need. It has a contact list, calendar, mail client, web browser and office type suite (Pages, Numbers, Keynote). You can take picture via a camera and import, or just use the current ones. Plus you can have 3G for Internet anywhere. You can always add more functionality with other apps.

I would venture to say that for may folks this is plenty of capability.

 

[neiltc13]

For a very large number of people, an iPad could easily replace their computer. It may not replace yours - that's the exception. You != everyone else.

My mother has her own laptop. The ONLY thing she does is email and the internet. I still have no idea why she owns it.

I didn't make any claims that I was the norm, but how can you be sure that I am the exception?

 

[*LTD*]

I didn't make any claims that I was the norm, but how can you be sure that I am the exception?

All one needs to do is look at the mass market. It doesn't take a market research firm to understand Mr. and Mrs. Joe Average. This is basic stuff.

 

[Alaerian]

I'm willing to bet that MOST notebook owners use the absolute minimum available. Sure, there are people that don't follow that basic idea - I use my notebook for a hell of a lot more than just email or the internet. I'm also a gamer - I can't effectively get off twitch snipes in a FPS on an iPad, can I?

 

[RWinOR]

All one needs to do is look at the mass market. It doesn't take a market research firm to understand Mr. and Mrs. Joe Average. This is basic stuff.

LTD I agree, I have observed how most of my friends and family "use" their computers at home.

E-mail, surfing the web, and Facebook. Most people at home rarely write letters on a computer, spreadsheets terrify the average home user. E-mail/texting has done away letters, at least in the form of US mailed letters. E-mail and text have made communication fast and short. My daughters, do not even answer the phone they just text. The only other thing I have seen anyone I personally know do on a PC, is that occasional game. The iPad should fill this need with a plethora of new cheap games.

And lets all be honest here, most e-mail you receive is either spam, or some forward of some joke that got posted years ago. How many of you really type a long e-mail and send it to a friend or family member. I type long e-mails at work but at home, short is key.

People in the home environment, are generally not creating CAD models, or doing anything that requires any type of serious computer power. We all like to think we are doing fantastic things on our PC's but the truth is, most are not.

Now I would bet most people on this forum are using their computers to do more powerful tasks at home, we are the exception not the norm.

Most users rarely edit photos, other then some fast edits like Picassa which is now web based or iPhoto. In fact from walking around outside it appears most people especially the younger crowd, do not even own a camera anymore but would prefer to use their phone to take those pictures.

I do not believe anyone thinks the iPad will replace you computer at work, but the home environment is totally a different story. I can see business travelers using the iPad on airplanes. If you have flown and tried to open your laptop you will totally understand why. So it can even replace laptops for casual business use. i.e. e-mail and browsing.

Of course this is just my opinion based on years of observing and being the neighborhood geek.

 

[roadbloc]

I think Apple and some users on this forum need to realise that average joe isn't the only person in the world. The pro market is alive and healthy and expanding as more and more people use computers. A lot of money is still to be made in the pro market.

It is blatantly obvious that Apple couldn't care less about pro users anymore, which upsets old Apple fans as Apple used to cater for the pro market generously. Meanwhile, we have newer Apple fans, loving the average joe stuff Apple are now producing, and this is where opinions clash on this forum.

I personally think it is a shame Apple are no longer catering for the pro market. Others, clearly think differently.

 

[RWinOR]

I think Apple and some users on this forum need to realise that average joe isn't the only person in the world. The pro market is alive and healthy and expanding as more and more people use computers. A lot of money is still to be made in the pro market.

It is blatantly obvious that Apple couldn't care less about pro users anymore, which upsets old Apple fans as Apple used to cater for the pro market generously. Meanwhile, we have newer Apple fans, loving the average joe stuff Apple are now producing, and this is where opinions clash on this forum.

I personally think it is a shame Apple are no longer catering for the pro market. Others, clearly think differently.

I disagree with your assessment that Apple does not care about the power user. I have a Macbook Pro which will run circles around any of the Windows professional machines at my day job. In reality even my wife's 3 year old iMac is more powerful then most business class machines out there. There is always gong to be that nitch market for the ultra high powered video processor but isn't that what the Mac pro is for.

Most of the advertisements are geared to the larger market. That is why you see so much marketing for the average Jill/Joe. Most users would have no idea what to do with all the power of a Mac Pro, therefore mainstream marketing would be a waste of time and money. Power users look in different places for information. We do not get our computer upgrade ideas from the TV commercials or trade rags at the local grocery market.

 

[Alaerian]

I don't believe the "power user" segment is going anywhere. Just, that the market is shifting and power users will be the niche instead of the "home users"

 

[Eidorian]

LTD I agree, I have observed how most of my friends and family "use" their computers at home.

E-mail, surfing the web, and Facebook. Most people at home rarely write letters on a computer, spreadsheets terrify the average home user. E-mail/texting has done away letters, at least in the form of US mailed letters. E-mail and text have made communication fast and short. My daughters, do not even answer the phone they just text. The only other thing I have seen anyone I personally know do on a PC, is that occasional game. The iPad should fill this need with a plethora of new cheap games.

And lets all be honest here, most e-mail you receive is either spam, or some forward of some joke that got posted years ago. How many of you really type a long e-mail and send it to a friend or family member. I type long e-mails at work but at home, short is key.

People in the home environment, are generally not creating CAD models, or doing anything that requires any type of serious computer power. We all like to think we are doing fantastic things on our PC's but the truth is, most are not.

Now I would bet most people on this forum are using their computers to do more powerful tasks at home, we are the exception not the norm.

Most users rarely edit photos, other then some fast edits like Picassa which is now web based or iPhoto. In fact from walking around outside it appears most people especially the younger crowd, do not even own a camera anymore but would prefer to use their phone to take those pictures.

I do not believe anyone thinks the iPad will replace you computer at work, but the home environment is totally a different story. I can see business travelers using the iPad on airplanes. If you have flown and tried to open your laptop you will totally understand why. So it can even replace laptops for casual business use. i.e. e-mail and browsing.

Of course this is just my opinion based on years of observing and being the neighborhood geek.

I fear for the future knowledge worker base.

 

[RWinOR]

By the grounds of how they are defining an iPad as a computer means every single smart phone out there should be defined as a mobile computer. It is running a mobile OS and as such not a computer. Netbook are boarder line iPad and other tablet sure as hell do not belong.

You do realize that smart phones, have bigger and more efficient computers then the desktop PC's of yesterday.

In the 80's if the computer did not fill a room, need special AC units to keep it cold, along with all the guys in starched and ironed white shirts and ties it was merely a toy. Times change as our computing needs change.

No one believes the iPad will totally replace all desktop or laptop computers, (although how many mainframes still exist today? ) but they do provide an additional computing tool for those who do not require the power and expense of a professional machine. Just as 8088's and 8086's provided an alternative in the 80's, and as the hardware improved through the 80's and 90's you can bet the iPad hardware and OS will improve as well. This new platform will become the primary portable computing device of this decade.

Hence the buzz phrase, Post PC era.

 

[KingCrimson]

There is no way to spin this, absolutely amazing from Apple!

 

[rhett7660]

Didn't they same the same thing when PC replaced mainframes. Everyone said PC's were no more than toys.

Look what happened with that prediction.

Easy. You might dsirupt his anti apple crusade!

 

[rhett7660]

I think Apple and some users on this forum need to realise that average joe isn't the only person in the world. The pro market is alive and healthy and expanding as more and more people use computers. A lot of money is still to be made in the pro market.

It is blatantly obvious that Apple couldn't care less about pro users anymore, which upsets old Apple fans as Apple used to cater for the pro market generously. Meanwhile, we have newer Apple fans, loving the average joe stuff Apple are now producing, and this is where opinions clash on this forum.

I personally think it is a shame Apple are no longer catering for the pro market. Others, clearly think differently.

Pro market it to small for apple it seems. Thet know where the money is and it isn't in the pro market sorry to say. Will there still be pro programs. Sure.