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iphone 3g... Jailbreakable?

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Nadasive

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Hey guys, i was thinking about getting the new iPhone 3g on July 11th but then I have T-Mobile as my service provider.
im guessing that means i have to jailbreak iPhone 3g right?
well can it be done? is apple changing anything that will prevent the iPhone 3g from being Hacked?
 
they say it'll be harder to do. . .but that just makes it a challenge. . .and hackers don't back down from a challenge
 
Nadasive said:
Hey guys, i was thinking about getting the new iPhone 3g on July 11th but then I have T-Mobile as my service provider.
im guessing that means i have to jailbreak iPhone 3g right?
well can it be done? is apple changing anything that will prevent the iPhone 3g from being Hacked?
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It's not even out yet so people haven't even had the chance to look at it. I do know that Zibri is asking for a doner phone though to have a look at...

We all know that it WILL be done
 
It means Jailbraking an Unlocking.

From my limited understanding (I wasn't a 1st gen iPhone owner) - Jailbreaking gets you access to the iPhones file system. Allowing you to install apps etc. This then leads to the ability for some other clever code to patch the baseband (the firmware of the chip that runs the voice/data) to be open to any network SIM.

The 2.0 beta was Jailbroken within hours months ago, I'm sure that will be no problem with the final. The (probably) slightly more tricky part will be unlocking the thing to any network (baseband). Right now it's anyone's guess how hard/easy this might be and how long it will take.

I'd just be patient. There's no point in forking over money if your intent is to use it on another network. Just wait until the full unlock is available then go for it.
 
edesignuk said:
It means Jailbraking an Unlocking.

From my limited understanding (I wasn't a 1st gen iPhone owner) - Jailbreaking gets you access to the iPhones file system. Allowing you to install apps etc. This then leads to the ability for some other clever code to patch the baseband (the firmware of the chip that runs the voice/data) to be open to any network SIM.

The 2.0 beta was Jailbroken within hours months ago, I'm sure that will be no problem with the final. The (probably) slightly more tricky part will be unlocking the thing to any network (baseband). Right now it's anyone's guess how hard/easy this might be and how long it will take.

I'd just be patient. There's no point in forking over money if your intent is to use it on another network. Just wait until the full unlock is available then go for it.
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I'm thinking the best bet for our friends in the US is for them to buy PAYG handsets from the UK. But I'm wondering what kind of restrictions O2/Apple are going to enforce in the UK for those buying said PAYG handsets...
 
phakebrill said:
I'm thinking the best bet for our friends in the US is for them to buy PAYG handsets from the UK. But I'm wondering what kind of restrictions O2/Apple are going to enforce in the UK for those buying said PAYG handsets...
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Unfortunately for them exchange rates aren't going make this very desirable.
 
I just want it to be that I can take my current ATT sim card and pop it in the phone without extending any contracts... is that too much to ask for ATT...?
 
bbrosemer said:
I just want it to be that I can take my current ATT sim card and pop it in the phone without extending any contracts... is that too much to ask for ATT...?
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Of course you can't do that because the low price is due to ATT subsidizing the phone. No one is saying it, but that's obviously it. That's why you have to sign up for a new contract.
 
I simply wish to change the interface. I deplore that mesh dock. I am a big fan of Louie Mantia's themes.
 
Nadasive said:
Hey guys, i was thinking about getting the new iPhone 3g on July 11th but then I have T-Mobile as my service provider.
im guessing that means i have to jailbreak iPhone 3g right?
well can it be done? is apple changing anything that will prevent the iPhone 3g from being Hacked?
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You might be able to get your iPhone 3G onto T-Mobile, but there's no way you'll get to use 3G data. T-Mo's 3G uses different spectrum (1700/2100 Mhz) than AT&T's (850/1900 MHz), so you're out of luck with 3G. GSM/EDGE will still work fine with a few tweaks, since people already have 1st gen iPhones working on T-Mobile.
 
GOOD NEWS: I think the iPhone 3G will be hacked... just have to wait a few weeks after July 11th. They have not failed us yet!

BAD NEWS: There is that annoying in-store contract/activation hurdle, since it won't be as easy as walking into an Apple Store and picking one up. I'm predicting the adoption of the BUY, SIGN, WAIT, PAY method where you buy a new iPhone 3G, sign the contract, wait 30 days then cancel and pay the termination fee/probably the first month of service (getting a bit pricy there!). If this proves to be successful, think of how many contract cancellations there will be!

So once you finally have your unlocked iPhone 3G running on T-Mobile, you will still have to wait who knows how long for TMO to roll out their full 3G service (I believe its only VOICE now). Will it work? I'm hearing a lot of YES and NOs. Will your current data plan be compatible with the 3G? Too far in the future to tell.

In the meantime, I'm gonna be looking for a 2G iPhone :D
 
phantomsd said:
GOOD NEWS: I think the iPhone 3G will be hacked... just have to wait a few weeks after July 11th. They have not failed us yet!

BAD NEWS: There is that annoying in-store contract/activation hurdle, since it won't be as easy as walking into an Apple Store and picking one up. I'm predicting the adoption of the BUY, SIGN, WAIT, PAY method where you buy a new iPhone 3G, sign the contract, wait 30 days then cancel and pay the termination fee/probably the first month of service (getting a bit pricy there!). If this proves to be successful, think of how many contract cancellations there will be!

So once you finally have your unlocked iPhone 3G running on T-Mobile, you will still have to wait who knows how long for TMO to roll out their full 3G service (I believe its only VOICE now). Will it work? I'm hearing a lot of YES and NOs. Will your current data plan be compatible with the 3G? Too far in the future to tell.

In the meantime, I'm gonna be looking for a 2G iPhone :D
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You think that apple might take the contract thing out due to the fact that so many people are going to cancel?
 
Nadasive said:
You think that apple might take the contract thing out due to the fact that so many people are going to cancel?
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If by "take the contract thing out" you mean contract-free iPhones? The answer at the moment is NO... judging from the measures Apple/AT&T are putting down on paper to prevent unlocking. Good for them! :p

If a lot of people are going to cancel... then that will be the unfortunate case. Apple/AT&T will learn the hard way I guess... unless extra steps were made to lockdown the iPhone 3G 100% then we would have no choice.

I'm sure we'll get more information as we approach launch day.
 
Since the phone is subsidized by ATT, you can't cancel your contract without returning the phone unless you pay the early termination fee, something like $200.
 
darngooddesign said:
Since the phone is subsidized by ATT, you can't cancel your contract without returning the phone unless you pay the early termination fee, something like $200.
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You can keep the equipment (iPhone 3G) if you cancel AFTER 30 days. Before the 30-day mark, you have to return it. Termination fee applies to both situations.
 
You cannot buy the iPhone from AT&T without getting a plan. If that is the case, then buy the phone from APPLE.

It will be hacked no question, just takes time.
And I don't think that "YOU HAVE TO GET A PLAN" is bogus and WONT last (in my opinion) Because you will want to buy it as a gift or give it to someone.
 
zephead said:
You might be able to get your iPhone 3G onto T-Mobile, but there's no way you'll get to use 3G data. T-Mo's 3G uses different spectrum (1700/2100 Mhz) than AT&T's (850/1900 MHz), so you're out of luck with 3G. GSM/EDGE will still work fine with a few tweaks, since people already have 1st gen iPhones working on T-Mobile.
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But you're failing to recognize the tech specs, the new 3G iPhone is the same phone throughout the world, and the 3G antenna is built for 850, 1900, and 2100MHz frequencies. Check the tech specs page of Apple's own website.
 
Give it some time.

But both iPhones will be equally hard to jailbreak -- because jailbreaking is not a hardware issue, its software. And if both 1st and 2nd generation phones are runnng the 2.0 software, then they will be jailbroken the same.
 
phantomsd said:
You can keep the equipment (iPhone 3G) if you cancel AFTER 30 days. Before the 30-day mark, you have to return it. Termination fee applies to both situations.
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The early termination fee does not apply if the hardware is returned within the 30-day return window, although activation fees and charges for services used will probably not be refunded.
 
RubberShoes said:
But you're failing to recognize the tech specs, the new 3G iPhone is the same phone throughout the world, and the 3G antenna is built for 850, 1900, and 2100MHz frequencies. Check the tech specs page of Apple's own website.
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Yes, I know the iPhone has 850/1900/2100 MHz for pretty much the whole world. The point I was trying to make is that the iPhone will not operate on T-Mobile's 3G network because their 3G is on 1700/2100 MHz while the iPhone has no 1700 band. Both bands are needed in order to access the Internet.
 
This is getting complicated. I was so happy when they introduced the new iPhone that I didn't expect they would add contract at store :mad:

I'm not worried about 3G (if I managed to unlock the iPhone one day), in Europe 3G has really nice coverage since time ago. However I still wonder...there's no way to get without the contract and then cancel it? I thought about ebay or some place like this but I wonder if they are going to sell it there anyway :confused:
 
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