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Fred Zed

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Just a quickie,.I used Finder for the first time to backup my iPhone. Is there anything that I need to look out for when restoring onto a new iPhone ? Also, did I waste my time backing up to MPB using Finder as opposed to iCloud? I think the answer is yes. Although my photos on camera roll aren't set to backup to iCloud. But everything else is. Cheers.
 

pacmania1982

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Make sure the back up you have done is encrypted. Failure to do so will loose stuff like Health data. If that's important to you. There are also other things the encrypted back up will back up and restore but I forget what. Just don't forget the password you use when asked.
 
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Fred Zed

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Make sure the back up you have done is encrypted. Failure to do so will loose stuff like Health data. If that's important to you. There are also other things the encrypted back up will back up and restore but I forget what. Just don't forget the password you use when asked.
Damn ( for me ). Thanks for mentioning encryption of backup, I had totally forgotten about enabling that and it's implications of what it won't backup or restore if not enabled. It's too late for me now, as I don't have the iPhone 12PM anymore. I don't use Apple Health, is there anything else it didn't backup because encryption wasn't enabled?, I'm assuming passwords would be another.
 

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Yeah, Keychain will not get backed up, but that should get recreated from the Mac's Keychain (assuming iCloud Keychain is turned on there).

Both backup methods do pretty much the same thing. And depends on if an app developer has enabled backup of data stored within their app(s).

 
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Fred Zed

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So I connected my iPhone to my MBP today to restore the backup. It didn’t restore any of the photos “From My Mac” category. The description is rather vague as those were the photos that I had used iTunes from a windows 10 pc to originally put onto to the iPhone. I suppose the MBP didn’t backup those up hence why it didn’t restore them.
My setup is rather hybrid unfortunately for me. I have my “recents” pics I believe backup to iCloud but all else not. Makes it a little challenging to restore .
 

ApfelKuchen

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So I connected my iPhone to my MBP today to restore the backup. It didn’t restore any of the photos “From My Mac” category. The description is rather vague as those were the photos that I had used iTunes from a windows 10 pc to originally put onto to the iPhone. I suppose the MBP didn’t backup those up hence why it didn’t restore them.
My setup is rather hybrid unfortunately for me. I have my “recents” pics I believe backup to iCloud but all else not. Makes it a little challenging to restore .
This has always been the nature of iOS backups, whether using Finder or iTunes. Those "From My Mac" images are "synced data," and synced data is excluded from backups because it is already stored elsewhere and can be re-synced when necessary. This reduces the size of backups by eliminating redundancy.

That "elsewhere" could be either a computer (iTunes/Finder sync - music synced from an iTunes/Music library and photos synced from folders, Photos app Albums, etc.) or iCloud, where synced data can include Contacts, Calendars, Notes, iCloud Photos, and iCloud Messages (which are constantly updated with iCloud), and App Store and iTunes purchases (as they can be re-downloaded from those sources - a restore from backup triggers an automatic redownload of whatever apps and music were previously present on the device). The typical iTunes/Finder restore these days is a hybrid, as nearly everyone has some iCloud data as well as data that may be synced with the computer - once the restore from computer is done you'll see that iCloud data and iTunes/App Store purchases will be downloading from the cloud.

The principle problem with this approach is when that iTunes/Finder-synced data is no longer present on the computer - either it was originally synced using a previous computer and the data (iTunes/Music library, photo library, etc.) was not migrated from old computer to new, or that it was simply deleted from the current computer.
 
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Fred Zed

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This has always been the nature of iOS backups, whether using Finder or iTunes. Those "From My Mac" images are "synced data," and synced data is excluded from backups because it is already stored elsewhere and can be re-synced when necessary. This reduces the size of backups by eliminating redundancy.

That "elsewhere" could be either a computer (iTunes/Finder sync - music synced from an iTunes/Music library and photos synced from folders, Photos app Albums, etc.) or iCloud, where synced data can include Contacts, Calendars, Notes, iCloud Photos, and iCloud Messages (which are constantly updated with iCloud), and App Store and iTunes purchases (as they can be re-downloaded from those sources - a restore from backup triggers an automatic redownload of whatever apps and music were previously present on the device). The typical iTunes/Finder restore these days is a hybrid, as nearly everyone has some iCloud data as well as data that may be synced with the computer - once the restore from computer is done you'll see that iCloud data and iTunes/App Store purchases will be downloading from the cloud.

The principle problem with this approach is when that iTunes/Finder-synced data is no longer present on the computer - either it was originally synced using a previous computer and the data (iTunes/Music library, photo library, etc.) was not migrated from old computer to new, or that it was simply deleted from the current computer.
Thanks. It always gets me,🤣 forgetting about it not backing up already synced items.
I bought a copy of iMazing a couple of years ago and for some reason I still find iTunes easier to use. Example , I backed up my iPhone 12 via iMazing as well recently, when I connected my iPhone 13 to restore, iMazing was looking for the iPhone 12 as if it only wants to restore to that device. Anyways, my task is now how to get everything on to iCloud. I even once attempted dragging and dropping to iCloud manually , ended in tears or worst still use the iCloud app for windows. Double tears and frustration. 😜🤣 it’s all fun. Cheers.
 
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