iPhone SE4 to have Apple Intelligence

[JPack]

According to Gurman, "As early as the beginning of 2025, Apple will launch a new iPhone SE — the first upgrade to its low-end phone since 2022. And you can also bet that it will have Apple Intelligence."

Surprisingly, this suggests SE4 will have 8GB RAM. Keep in mind all four iPhone 16 models this year will have 8GB RAM. Given the features of SE4, which include 48MP, OLED, and now 8GB RAM, that's a pretty attractive iPhone.

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www.bloomberg.com

 

[Funny Apple Man]

Thats neat. As the article states, if they can sell it at a $500 price, then it'll be a popular budget-friendly phone.

If this launches in early 2025, then the iPhone 14 will be in a bit of an awkward position. Worse specs but still selling new for around $100 more than SE.

Since they the SE 4 is said to be similar to the 14 body, are they just going discontinue the 14 right away when the new SE comes out?

 

[Reverend Benny]

Thats neat. As the article states, if they can sell it at a $500 price, then it'll be a popular budget-friendly phone.

If this launches in early 2025, then the iPhone 14 will be in a bit of an awkward position. Worse specs but still selling new for around $100 more than SE.

Since they the SE 4 is said to be similar to the 14 body, are they just going discontinue the 14 right away when the new SE comes out?

Yea, guessing now of course but I'd say that they will discontinue the iPhone 13 when the 16 series is released and then discontinue the 14 once the SE is released. Since they made the decision to move to USB-C I would guess they want all that's sold to be USB-C.

But if the specs are right the SE4 are still going to compete with the 15 (that prob will be available) that has less RAM and doesn't include AI.

Its going to be very interesting to see what Apple will do.
One other alternative is to release the SE4 with a lower spec (such as the SE2020) and then bump it up (SE2022) once the 15 is ready for retirement.

One third option is to simplify the product offerings. When the SE4 are released just offer the SE4 and the 16/16 pro line.

 

[Funny Apple Man]

But if the specs are right the SE4 are still going to compete with the 15 (that prob will be available) that has less RAM and doesn't include AI.

Yeah, 15 will still be worse in specs while still more expensive than SE. They really shot themselves in the foot by being so stingy on RAM.

But I think it won't be as bad as the 14, because the 15 has these advantages over SE 4 that some people will care about:
- Ultrawide lens
- Brighter 2000 nits screen (im assuming the SE 4 will use the 14's dimmer 1200 nits screen)
- Dynamic Island
- mmWave 5G
- MagSafe? (I'm unable to find a reliable leaker mention MagSafe support on SE 4. So they may not include it?)

It'll still be the odd one out for not having AI and 8gb ram, but at least its got some things it'll beat the SE 4 at.

 

[ab2c4]

The nice thing for users of this phone is that they will get an 8gb phone for cheap, and then get to disable the AI so the phone probably lasts longer.

 

[JPack]

One question is what SoC the SE4 will come with. If it comes with A16 or A17, then I can see it being a tougher decision for buyers. Consumers are familiar with n-1 SoC since iPhone 14, so it would not be surprising for Apple to use n-2 for SE4.

 

[Funny Apple Man]

One question is what SoC the SE4 will come with. If it comes with A16 or A17, then I can see it being a tougher decision for buyers. Consumers are familiar with n-1 SoC since iPhone 14, so it would not be surprising for Apple to use n-2 for SE4.

SE always used the latest SoC that is out during the time, so maybe the A18. It'll be unusual if they used something older like A16 or A17.

 

[JPack]

SE always used the latest SoC that is out during the time, so maybe the A18. It'll be unusual if they used something older like A16 or A17.

Yes, but now that non-Pro models use n-1 chips, SE4 would be at least n-1 if not n-2.

The last SE (2022) was launched before Apple started bifurcating the chips with iPhone 14.

 

[Chuckeee]

SE always used the latest SoC that is out during the time, so maybe the A18. It'll be unusual if they used something older like A16 or A17.

In addition, Apple is moving away from N3B chip products (such as M3 and A17). The N3B production line is too inefficient and expensive to run, especially since the N3E chip line is up and running. I find it highly unlikely Apple would put an A17 ship into a new product at this time

 

[Homme]

But I think it won't be as bad as the 14, because the 15 has these advantages over SE 4 that some people will care about:

- Brighter 2000 nits screen (im assuming the SE 4 will use the 14's dimmer 1200 nits screen)
- MagSafe? (I'm unable to find a reliable leaker mention MagSafe support on SE 4. So they may not include it?)

The 13/14 screen is 800 nits for standard use and 1200 for HDR

I believe it will get MagSafe/Qi2 Support because of its size, shape and design being like the iPhone 12 models and above but I believe it won’t get night mode, U1 Chip, Deep Fusion ( I don’t know if SE 2022 has that). Maybe smartHDR5 or 6 ( if the 16s get smartHDR 6 maybe SE 2024 gets smartHDR 5 who knows)

One question is what SoC the SE4 will come with. If it comes with A16 or A17, then I can see it being a tougher decision for buyers. Consumers are familiar with n-1 SoC since iPhone 14, so it would not be surprising for Apple to use n-2 for SE4.

The A18 SoC and you know it’s gonna get it

Apple IMO should keep selling the 15 Pro after the 16’s release and get rid of the non pro iPhone 15s after SE gets released. That way Apples current future lineup all support Apple intelligence

 

[Homme]

One question is what SoC the SE4 will come with. If it comes with A16 or A17, then I can see it being a tougher decision for buyers. Consumers are familiar with n-1 SoC since iPhone 14, so it would not be surprising for Apple to use n-2 for SE4.

Ming chi kuo confirming 8GB of RAM for SE4 meaning A18

 

[BugeyeSTI]

Ming chi kuo confirming 8GB of RAM for SE4 meaning A18

At this point, that's just a rumor.. He's been wrong before

 

[Funny Apple Man]

The 13/14 screen is 800 nits for standard use and 1200 for HDR

I'm aware of that, I was comparing them based on the highest possible nits it can go rather than the typical nits.

I hope it gets MagSafe too.

 

[JPack]

Ming chi kuo confirming 8GB of RAM for SE4 meaning A18

A18 seems to be confirmed given the model identifier.

Gurman is saying SE4 will have AI.

Kuo is saying SE4 will have 8GB.

 

[Reverend Benny]

I kinda like the idea if Apple would cut down on models offered instead of the jumble of models that's offered now.

If models offered in Q2 2025 consisted of a iPhone SE4, iPhone 16, iPhone 16Max, iphone 16 pro, iPhone 16 pro max, its more than enough.

All have the latest SoC, all can offer AI if the user wants to have it. All USB-C, All FaceID etc

 

[JPack]

I kinda like the idea if Apple would cut down on models offered instead of the jumble of models that's offered now.

If models offered in Q2 2025 consisted of a iPhone SE4, iPhone 16, iPhone 16Max, iphone 16 pro, iPhone 16 pro max, its more than enough.

There would be a huge gap between $499 and $799.

 

[Reverend Benny]

There would be a huge gap between $499 and $799.

Depends, not if the SE4 is $599 ;-)

I don't see why they should stick to offering a model in every $100 range, lower the iPhone 16 to 749 when the SE4 is released and offer the SE4 for around $549 or $599.

Maybe they'll keep selling the old SE3 to attract cheapskates and companies.

 

[Funny Apple Man]

Depends, not if the SE4 is $599 ;-)

I don't see why they should stick to offering a model in every $100 range, lower the iPhone 16 to 749 when the SE4 is released and offer the SE4 for around $549 or $599.

Maybe they'll keep selling the old SE3 to attract cheapskates and companies.

Shhh don't give Tim any ideas 🤫

There are still home button fanatics out there. They'll happy if the SE 3 still goes on.

 

[Reverend Benny]

Shhh don't give Tim any ideas 🤫

There are still home button fanatics out there. They'll happy if the SE 3 still goes on.

Maybe there's space for a SE3.5? An SE3 with USB-C :-D

 

[Homme]

At this point, that's just a rumor.. He's been wrong before

Maybe a rumor but a Chinese site not too long ago published ( via all the Apple fan sites) the same thing about the SE 4 having 6 or 8GB of RAM

 

[Reverend Benny]

so, the se3 will be the last small size iphone😭

Rumors point that way.
It would have been interesting if Apple choose to recycle the X/XS design for the SE4. Its smallish.
Its unlikely though as the USB-C port is larger than the lightning and the XS design is quite thin. Also the X/XS design, just as the 13 mini design contains less space for a decent size battery.

Might not be the solution some want but at the same time todays SE3 prob will be supported for another 3-4 years .

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[Homme]

Rumors point that way.
It would have been interesting if Apple choose to recycle the X/XS design for the SE4. Its smallish.
Its unlikely though as the USB-C port is larger than the lightning and the XS design is quite thin. Also the X/XS design, just as the 13 mini design contains less space for a decent size battery.

Might not be the solution some want but at the same time todays SE3 prob will be supported for another 3-4 years .

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I wish the mini sized phones become the next SE. but 5.8 inch’s works too if Apple can redesign that one day

Maybe there's space for a SE3.5? An SE3 with USB-C :-D

yeah the thing is for both of your posts ( and I wish that Apple didn’t go with the curved edges since the iPhone 6) is the USB C port may be bigger though. I have thought of a SE3 with USB C if Apple can fit it in like the new 13 inch iPad Pro with that being 5mm thin and having USB C. A revised SE3 with USB C similar to the A5 chip being revised later on for the iPad 2 and Apple TV 3rd gen or the iPod touch 3rd gen 8GB (revised version of the second gen touch)

(oh and maybe the x65 modem for that revised SE model for satellite purposes).