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I don’t hate it(maybe a little) but I feel the notch is what prevents the iPhone X from being an A+ iPhone instead of an A iPhone.

If I’m really looking for something to complain about it’s that I don’t know what half of the iPhone I’m picking up sometimes because there’s no home button.
 
So today is my first day with the iPhone X. 256 GB space grey. I'm coming from an iPhone 6 Plus.

Yes, there are things I like, but this thread is specifically about complaints/things that people don't like about the iPhone X. I realize I've only had it for a brief time, and time will tell on these things, but so far, here are my issues with the iPhone X:

  • The notch. Hate it. It's ugly, it's in the way, and I wish it was gone. Like a wart.
  • Big, vertical camera bump. It's in the way more now that it's vertical. For instance, one handed holding, and sliding a finger from the back over to the sleep button. My finger moves over the bump (never used to). Right over one of the camera lenses... bad design. I understand they may have reasons for it (internal component design mandated it that way)... but it affects usability for me materially.
  • OLED display. Good and bad. The bad is that the viewing angles suck in comparison to Retina LCD: the blue tint reveals itself pretty quickly. I can live with this, but I don't like it. I also find that while the screen looks good, it really doesn't seem any sharper than the Retina LCD.
  • Tall, narrow design/screen. Not sure about this yet. Time will have to pass to see whether I like it or not. For instance, landscape blows. On the Web it cuts off each side to deal with the notch. Looks bad. Second, the keys on the keyboard are thinner and stretched out compared to the 6 Plus. I like the fatter keys on the 6 Plus. Also, the usable screen area is still something I'm trying to figure out, but seems less than my 6 Plus.
  • Rounded Screen corners. This is jarring in some respects. Content struggles to make sense in areas with such rounded corners. So scrolling lists, for example, isn't clean looking: some content is cut off until it's above the curve.
All of this above I knew going into the X. I will be using it and seeing how everything sets in. Yes, I know, I can return it in 14 days. So if I don't like it, I will return it.

Please post things you don't like/complaints and comments.

You basically described every defining feature of the X. Take away these things you don’t like about the X and you’re left with every other phone out there. You should return it and get an 8, or something else entirely.
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I notice it. Especially when I'm reading in the reader mode in Safari.

I also notice the notch, find it strange that people don’t. Fortunately for me, I actually like it and think it adds character to the device.
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The X in my opinion is a test phone and Apple makes us pay top dollar to be the guinea pigs.

If the X is a test phone, I hope Apple never stops testing.
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If you read this thread, this shows the real users and their struggles. The iPhone X is very far from perfect, and in many ways, is quite a flawed device particularly in the context that Apple has had 10 years of making the iPhone and has thousands of engineers and billions of dollars behind it.

No device will ever be perfect, so no need to bring that up, but what you call flaws are matters of your personal taste. I say this because I’m a real user and none of these things you mention bother me, in fact quite the oposite. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but I wish you presented it in a more personal way, because these are clearly matters of taste, not objective faults.

As for 10 years, I think they did a great job with making a phone that is so new and yet still so much an iPhone. It’s also the most fun iPhone for me since iPhone 4.

This is not me defending it or anything, it just seems to me you really don’t like it. You should’ve taken it back. The 8 is just as fast, has a beautiful screen and has none of the things you listed as faults. Perhaps you could sell your X and get it?
 
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I don’t know if this has been mentioned before or if it’s even possible—but, given transparent OLEDs are a thing, could the notch go under the screen, and have the notch-covering section of the screen go transparent when faceID/front camera is in use?
 
What would make the iPhone X perfect to me?

-Slightly Larger size like an X Plus (a bit smaller shell than the current Plus models)
-FaceID that scans wider (no need to tilt up my phone on my desk)
-Option to go straight to home screen without swiping up (for those that don't need to see notifications really)
-Notchless

If they do make an X Plus they might need to re-think the gestures as getting to the top of the screen could be an issue for some.
 
Not slow, but it holds Apps in memory less.

Am I making it up, or doesn't it have 3 GB? I forget, but I thought it was that - which would be the same as the Plus wouldn't it? Heck even the iPP still only has 4 GB...
 
Am I making it up, or doesn't it have 3 GB? I forget, but I thought it was that - which would be the same as the Plus wouldn't it? Heck even the iPP still only has 4 GB...

Yep 3. Probably just seeing how all these Android phones are doing 4 minimum and 6 standard for a lot of devices. I personally was happy with the RAM in the 8 Plus and X.
 
Yep 3. Probably just seeing how all these Android phones are doing 4 minimum and 6 standard for a lot of devices. I personally was happy with the RAM in the 8 Plus and X.

Same here, so then I suppose it doesn't hold apps in memory less (than other iPhones at least) except perhaps in comparison to Android phones - though I don't have recent experience so I couldn't say one way or the other.
 
You basically described every defining feature of the X. Take away these things you don’t like about the X and you’re left with every other phone out there. You should return it and get an 8, or something else entirely.
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I have described, in many respects, faults with the device. If you read this thread, you'd see why I've kept the device: no home button and that the phone is fast.

No device will ever be perfect, so no need to bring that up, but what you call flaws are matters of your personal taste. I say this because I’m a real user and none of these things you mention bother me, in fact quite the oposite. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but I wish you presented it in a more personal way, because these are clearly matters of taste, not objective faults.

Why would you say that no device will ever be perfect? As you can see, you're just another person who raises strawmen arguments. I never said that devices have to be perfect, or that they are perfect. But I also won't say that it's not possible for a device to be perfect: nobody can say that. Secondly, what I actually said was that the iPhone X is FAR FROM PERFECT, not that I expect it to be perfect. Now, as for opinion. There are objective issues with the iPhone:
  • The notch is a consequence of the state of current technology and what Apple is able to accomplish in a design. If Apple could have designed and made the iPhone X without a notch, they would have. They can't miniaturize the components (sensors, cameras, etc.) or make them transparent, so the notch is a necessity. It causes problems like, for instance, cropped images that cannot be zoomed in on: the notch covers and obscures part of the image. This is quite egregious where the actual physical part of a smartphone is impeding content on the screen. The notch also creates an imbalance to the design creating a forehead so it's not symmetrical: there sort of is a defined top of the device now. This has content and software consequences.
  • Battery life. Battery life on the iPhone X is not as good as some other iPhone models. Again, this is not an opinion or some subjective feeling. We can see that the battery size in the iPhone X is 2716 mAh vs my old iPhone 6 Plus at 2,915 mAh. Regardless, on tests of newer iPhones vs the X, the X trails behind in battery life. My real world use shows that I barely make it through a day without the battery being on red, vs. my iPhone 6 Plus which I used the same way having about 35% left at the end of a day.
  • Blue tint on tilt. Again, not subjective regarding a blue tint that washes over the screen of the iPhone X in certain conditions when it's tilted. This is a consequence of OLED technology and admitted to by Apple, as is burn in effect.
  • Dead zones on top and bottom of iPhone X. Again, not subjective. There is an imposed forehead and chin on the iPhone X because of its design (notch, rounded corners...). So even though there isn't a complete physical forehead and chin, those areas become deadzones when in certain applications. What this does is reduces the usable screen space, making the iPhone X assume more of a screen real estate footprint of the iPhone standard rather than a Plus model. This is a downgrade for former Plus Users and has been widely discussed.
 
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I have described, in many respects, faults with the device.

No, you didn't describe "faults", you described what you don't like about it.

Taking in account of the current technological possibilities and limits - these are not 'faults', these are compromises and choices. Whether you agree with these choices is subjective.


The notch is a consequence of the state of current technology and what Apple is able to accomplish in a design.

Every deisgn choice is a consequence of the current state of technology. Considering the options, I prefer Apple's solution to the alternatives. You don't - and that is subjective.



  • Battery life. Battery life on the iPhone X is not as good as some other iPhone models. Again, this is not an opinion or some subjective feeling. We can see that the battery size in the iPhone X is 2716 mAh vs my old iPhone 6 Plus at 2,915 mAh. Regardless, on tests of newer iPhones vs the X, the X trails behind in battery life. My real world use shows that I barely make it through a day without the battery being on red, vs. my iPhone 6 Plus which I used the same way having about 35% left at the end of a day.

iPhone X has a comparable battery life to a plus model, and yet in a smaller phone size. If you prefer bigger phones, the X is not for you. But that is, you've guessed it, subjective.


  • Blue tint on tilt. Again, not subjective regarding a blue tint that washes over the screen of the iPhone X in certain conditions when it's tilted. This is a consequence of OLED technology and admitted to by Apple, as is burn in effect.

No, but the advantages outweigh the faults in my opinion. I would argue that the OLED screen is better than previous LCD screens. You have every right to disagree. Again: subjective.

  • Dead zones on top and bottom of iPhone X. Again, not subjective. There is an imposed forehead and chin on the iPhone X because of its design (notch, rounded corners...). So even though there isn't a complete physical forehead and chin, those areas become deadzones when in certain applications. What this does is reduces the usable screen space, making the iPhone X assume more of a screen real estate footprint of the iPhone standard rather than a Plus model. This is a downgrade for former Plus Users and has been widely discussed.

You're another one of critics here who try to present the things they don't like as objective proof that the phone is "far from perfect", but that is a matter of taste. Far from some theoretical perfection? Sure. But then again, every phone that doesn't last indefinitely with one charge and has a resizable holographic screen is "far from perfection". But compared to current options - X is as far or as close to possible perfection as you want it to be - again, it's a matter of personal preference.

I am not debating that measurable things you mention are facts - no denying that the phone has a 2716 mAh battery or that the screen shifts blue on angle, it's your conclusions that are subjective. For example, there's no denying that iPhone Plus models have a larger screen surface, as you mentioned, but also, they require physically larger phones. It's not wrong of you to prefer screen size to phone size....

....It's subjective.
 
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I guess I'm one of the rare ones.. I love my X .. after giving up my 8 plus to go to the X there is only one thing i would change and it would be where the glass meets the bezel.. they need to fix it so it doesn't pull my hair when I'm on a call but I solved that issue and got a case ;)
 
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My issues with the notch are not just the notch exists and how some apps clip the area poorly, but also, the lack of status bar on the top. the little left and little right ear areas is just plain silly.

I agree with the camera bump. Why? Just make the phone thicker. Problem solved.

I still want my 3.5 mm port

Lack of Home button. Even if virtual. I still reach for it. While I have no issues with the gestures, sometimes its just awkward especially when playing landscape games.

Face ID works for most part. And it is fast. But some times like lying in bed or maybe when i make awkward faces it doesnt work. Sure I can use it with wet fingers, but I think I miss the button.

Rest of gripes are more iOS related than X.

Overall it is a fantastic phone, but just wish there were some things tweaked. Maybe XII?
 
No, you didn't describe "faults", you described what you don't like about it.

Taking in account of the current technological possibilities and limits - these are not 'faults', these are compromises and choices. Whether you agree with these choices is subjective.

They are faults. Everything I posted in my last post are objective faults.




Every deisgn choice is a consequence of the current state of technology. Considering the options, I prefer Apple's solution to the alternatives. You don't - and that is subjective.

First, you are speaking in generalities. Second, you are inserting strawmen arguments again: you make it sound like my entire approach is that I don't perfer Apple's solution over others and that this is really all there is to it. This is not true. Third, every design choice is not simply the consequence of the current state of technology. That is absurd. The current state of technology is but one part of it. Companies, like Apple, innovate and usher in new technologies. And just because Apple has released the iPhone X in its current form, doesn't mean they weren't capable of something better that addresses the issues.


iPhone X has a comparable battery life to a plus model, and yet in a smaller phone size. If you prefer bigger phones, the X is not for you. But that is, you've guessed it, subjective.

On tests like from places like CNET, the iPhone X has worse battery life than not only iPhone Plus models, but the regular model as well. This is not subjective at all. It's math.

No, but the advantages outweigh the faults in my opinion. I would argue that the OLED screen is better than previous LCD screens. You have every right to disagree. Again: subjective.

No, again, not subjective. You are again inserting a strawman argument probably because you simply like to argue. First, you give no reason for why the OLED screen in the iPhone X specifically is better than the LCD in other iPhone models like the iPhone 7, etc. Second, I said that there is a blue tint (hue change) on tilting the iPhone in certain conditions. And this has been discussed in the media, written about, and Apple has released a statement about it admitting to this. This is a fact and has nothing to do with whether somebody just likes the screen better or not. There is a hue change, period, full stop. LCD does not suffer from this problem.

You're another one of critics here who try to present the things they don't like as objective proof that the phone is "far from perfect", but that is a matter of taste. Far from some theoretical perfection? Sure. But then again, every phone that doesn't last indefinitely with one charge and has a resizable holographic screen is "far from perfection". But compared to current options - X is as far or as close to possible perfection as you want it to be - again, it's a matter of personal preference.

Again, strawman. No, it is not a matter of taste. Battery life, screen quality, notch obstructing content within iOS... all objective issues.

I am not debating that measurable things you mention are facts - no denying that the phone has a 2716 mAh battery or that the screen shifts blue on angle, it's your conclusions that are subjective. For example, there's no denying that iPhone Plus models have a larger screen surface, as you mentioned, but also, they require physically larger phones. It's not wrong of you to prefer screen size to phone size....

....It's subjective.

Again, another strawman. Your strawman is to generally try and charge someone else with what you yourself have committed to and been called out on: a logical fallacy. This is a thread to discuss things that are issues with the iPhone X. You are again inserting a strawman. No, my conclusions are not subjective, but even if some were, it doesn't detract away from the objective issues with the iPhone X.
 
First, you are speaking in generalities. Second, you are inserting strawmen arguments again: you make it sound like my entire approach is that I don't perfer Apple's solution over others and that this is really all there is to it. And just because Apple has released the iPhone X in its current form, doesn't mean they weren't capable of something better that addresses the issues..

You use the word stawman repeatedly so many times in your post, yet ironically you interject your own strawman arguments throughout this entire thread. So how is it that someone else can't create a strawman argument, but you can, only to refute something with your own?

And then you go on the "Just because Apple has released iPhone X in its current form, doesn't mean they were capable of something better." Care to expand on that and what they could have done better? What issues specifically? You're statement is rather vague.

Again, another strawman. Your strawman is to generally try and charge someone else with what you yourself have committed to and been called out on: a logical fallacy. This is a thread to discuss things that are issues with the iPhone X. You are again inserting a strawman. No, my conclusions are not subjective, but even if some were, it doesn't detract away from the objective issues with the iPhone X.

That's not what you're doing, you're not discussing the issues with the iPhone X. You're Refuting others post without even taking into consideration that these alleged issues with the iPhone X are highly debatable and not widespread confirmed problems. So it is subjective, and your posts are not concrete evidence of anything.

Again, strawman. No, it is not a matter of taste. Battery life, screen quality, notch obstructing content within iOS... all objective issues..

Battery life should not even be brought into the equation of anything, because it's all variable based on everybody's usage. That shouldn't even be talked about at all. "Screen quality", based on what exactly? From what you read on a tech forum for those who have issues? There's no evidence behind "Display quality." I could make the same argument that the display quality is absolutely superb and I have had no issues and claim for those around me as well.

No, again, not subjective. You are again inserting a strawman argument probably because you simply like to argue. First, you give no reason for why the OLED screen in the iPhone X specifically is better than the LCD in other iPhone models like the iPhone 7, etc. This is a fact and has nothing to do with whether somebody just likes the screen better or not. There is a hue change, period, full stop. LCD does not suffer from this problem.

Again, you're creating a strawman argument into a strawman. I truthfully don't believe you understand what strawman means in the context that you are using it.

Yet, you're going to discuss the issues with OLED, but you want to use LCD as a comparison that does not suffer from 'this problem'. I can make the same argument that LCD displays had their own pertinent issues that Are irrelevant to OLED That's not an appropriate comparison at all, two different types of technology with her own concerns. You're conflating.


On tests like from places like CNET, the iPhone X has worse battery life than not only iPhone Plus models, but the regular model as well. This is not subjective at all. It's math..

If It's math as you stated, then there is no equation to every answer when it comes to battery life, especially what you read off one Internet site with CNET. Its not an appropriate or relevant scenario. What about the hundreds of others who have experienced excellent battery life on iPhone X compared to theirs Plus model prior, which would be based on user settings anyways. There's no definitive answer to what you're saying.
 
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They are faults. Everything I posted in my last post are objective faults.

Sure.

It’s not that you don’t like the iPhone X, it’s just that Apple made so many objective faults. All those users and reviewers praising the screen, battery life, design.... they just didn’t notice these objective flaws. It’s not a matter of taste whether you prefer insane contrast levels to a slight blue shift in a screen or whether you choose anecdotal experiences with the battery over the positive experiences of others - it’s just some deniers of reality using straw man arguments to hide the factual truth that you have uncovered to us.

You see, the rest of us just didn’t know iPhone X was objectively far from perfection. For example, I thought it was a matter of personal preference, but I was wrong. Thanks for clearing that out.
 
Sure.

It’s not that you don’t like the iPhone X, it’s just that Apple made so many objective faults. All those users and reviewers praising the screen, battery life, design.... they just didn’t notice these objective flaws. It’s not a matter of taste whether you prefer insane contrast levels to a slight blue shift in a screen or whether you choose anecdotal experiences with the battery over the positive experiences of others - it’s just some deniers of reality using straw man arguments to hide the factual truth that you have uncovered to us.

You see, the rest of us just didn’t know iPhone X was objectively far from perfection. For example, I thought it was a matter of personal preference, but I was wrong. Thanks for clearing that out.

You're saying nothing. Contributing nothing.
 
I realy like portrait mode, I am taking pictures every day, and I noticed that one day something wrong happened, because I cant triger any of photos in portrai mode, it is impossible to triger the depth effect in same conditions as I do it before. And after I try reset all settings, It helped me for a short time, this problem apearing every 1-3 days, and I don't have any ideas how to solved it without reset all setings every 3 days, it is realy annoying. Can anybody help me? I have this problem after I update to 11.2 also I try 11.2 and 11.2.2 but nothing changed..
 
You're saying nothing. Contributing nothing.

No, I contributed by pointing out how the things you mentioned are just a matter of taste.

Look, I’m not trying to say you’re wrong to criticize, I’m saying you’re wrong to present it as something that applies to everyone. Why is it so hard to accept that some people actually prefer the screen, notch and all, and the battery life to the previous iPhones, or phones in general? In fact, the X is the closest to perfection of all the iPhones I’ve head. This is my subjective view, of course.

Answer me this: I like the OLED screen, I think the notch is cool and I am really satisfied with the battery life. If your criticism is “objective”, that would make me just plain wrong. Is that what you’re saying?

I had similar discussions about the new MacBook Pro. Since I liked it, according to critics here, I was not “a true pro”. It feels to me like people here who dislike Apple’s decisions or design choices need to present their dislikes not as personal views, but as Apple’s de facto mistakes. Those of us who think differently are somehow “wrong”.
 
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You use the word stawman repeatedly so many times in your post, yet ironically you interject your own strawman arguments throughout this entire thread. So how is it that someone else can't create a strawman argument, but you can, only to refute something with your own?

First, the reason it's brought up several times is in response to someone committing to it several times. Second, what strawman argument have I erected...

And then you go on the "Just because Apple has released iPhone X in its current form, doesn't mean they were capable of something better." Care to expand on that and what they could have done better? What issues specifically? You're statement is rather vague.

If you read this thread (yes I know it's 20+ pages), you'd see there is a clear answer to your question.

That's not what you're doing, you're not discussing the issues with the iPhone X. You're Refuting others post without even taking into consideration that these alleged issues with the iPhone X are highly debatable and not widespread confirmed problems. So it is subjective, and your posts are not concrete evidence of anything.

No. It doesn't matter how much you repeat that something is subjective: it won't make something objective... subjective. For example, there is a blue tint (hue change) on the iPhone screen at certain viewing angles in certain conditions: Apple has even released a statement saying this happens. That is not subjective. You cannot lump everything into a subjective category: that's the flaw in what you're doing.

"If you look at an [iPhone X] OLED display off-angle, you might notice slight shifts in color and hue. With extended long-term use, OLED displays can also show slight visual changes. This is also expected behavior and can include “image persistence” or “burn-in,” where the display shows a faint remnant of an image even after a new image appears on the screen. Apple public statement (2017)."

Battery life should not even be brought into the equation of anything, because it's all variable based on everybody's usage. That shouldn't even be talked about at all. "Screen quality", based on what exactly? From what you read on a tech forum for those who have issues? There's no evidence behind "Display quality." I could make the same argument that the display quality is absolutely superb and I have had no issues and claim for those around me as well.

Battery life. What we have are various tests and reports. Many tests show that the iPhone X has worse battery life than not only Plus phones, but standard ones too. Yes, tests are somewhat limited, but they are informative. For instance, Ars Technica with the Wifi browsing test: iPhone X scored worse compared to all of the other iPhones tested from the 5S up, with the exception of the 5S where the iPhone X scored better than it. On CNET's test, The X lasted an average of 11 hours, 38 minutes. As they said, "That's not great, and was considerably shorter than the 13 hours-plus average times that the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus managed." Yes, battery life can vary depending on how a person uses the phone.

On the display of the iPhone X, already addressed with the colour shifting.

Again, you're creating a strawman argument into a strawman. I truthfully don't believe you understand what strawman means in the context that you are using it.

How am I creating a strawman argument into a strawman. Yes, I know what a strawman is...

Yet, you're going to discuss the issues with OLED, but you want to use LCD as a comparison that does not suffer from 'this problem'. I can make the same argument that LCD displays had their own pertinent issues that Are irrelevant to OLED That's not an appropriate comparison at all, two different types of technology with her own concerns. You're conflating.

Yes, it is an appropriate comparison to compare the LCD display to OLED. And quoting Ars Technica: "Color shifting and viewing angles can also be a problem with OLEDs. In this case, Apple has definitely not broken new ground. When the display is tilted in a direction such that you begin viewing it at an angle rather than directly, it shifts very starkly to a cool blue. The iPhone 8 display shifts, too; however, the iPhone X shifts more dramatically and more quickly. I also found the shifting to be much more pronounced than it is on the Samsung Galaxy S8+."

If It's math as you stated, then there is no equation to every answer when it comes to battery life, especially what you read off one Internet site with CNET. Its not an appropriate or relevant scenario. What about the hundreds of others who have experienced excellent battery life on iPhone X compared to theirs Plus model prior, which would be based on user settings anyways. There's no definitive answer to what you're saying.

Prove that two a new 6 or 7 Plus has worse battery life than an iPhone X...
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No, I contributed by pointing out how the things you mentioned are just a matter of taste.

Look, I’m not trying to say you’re wrong to criticize, I’m saying you’re wrong to present it as something that applies to everyone. Why is it so hard to accept that some people actually prefer the screen, notch and all, and the battery life to the previous iPhones, or phones in general? In fact, the X is the closest to perfection of all the iPhones I’ve head. This is my subjective view, of course.

Answer me this: I like the OLED screen, I think the notch is cool and I am really satisfied with the battery life. If your criticism is “objective”, that would make me just plain wrong. Is that what you’re saying?

I had similar discussions about the new MacBook Pro. Since I liked it, according to critics here, I was not “a true pro”. It feels to me like people here who dislike Apple’s decisions or design choices need to present their dislikes not as personal views, but as Apple’s de facto mistakes. Those of us who like these things are somehow “wrong”.

Aevan's MO:

Repeat: Over and over. Over and over. Over and over. Aevan will repeat the same strawman over and over. He will state that objective things are subjective as a strawman argument.
 
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Aevan's MO:

Repeat: Over and over. Over and over. Over and over. Aevan will repeat the same strawman over and over. He will state that objective things are subjective as a strawman argument.

Answer my question, please. Am I, for example, objectively wrong to prefer the OLED to all other current screen technologies?
 
The notch is still bad. Samsung did a good job of burning an image in my mind of that dude waiting in line with the notch haircut. I live with it, but that's about it.

I'm almost certain Jony's already designing the notch out of the next iphone. Or at least hopeful.
 
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