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KPOM

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Oct 23, 2010
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Certainly the 38mm versions appear to be, particularly in the modern buckle given the colors. I think the Sport Band in 42mm and the Blue Classic Buckle are geared toward men.
 

gcooldude86

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Jul 28, 2014
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That's what I thought too but wanted someone else's opinion. I would love to get the gold if it's affordable but I wish the classic buckle in blue was available on the 38mm.
 

Piggie

macrumors G3
Feb 23, 2010
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I would have to agree, the edition in gold, and the shape it is.
It's not your typical mans watch at all.
 

JayLenochiniMac

macrumors G5
Nov 7, 2007
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Definitely the red and rose gray models. The white sport band appears to be unisex but is too feminine for my taste. Agree with others that the blue and black models are the most masculine ones in the Edition collection.
 
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extricated

macrumors 6502
Jul 14, 2011
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I tend to think more women would lean toward that over the stainless model, but the price point will be a deal breaker for at least a few potential customers. My friend's wife was talking about this a couple of days ago - she really likes the Edition, but isn't too keen on the price.

I'm not saying to cheapen the Edition, but I wonder if the gold look (without the actual gold) could one day come into the lineup.
 

JayLenochiniMac

macrumors G5
Nov 7, 2007
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Why? Can a men not wear a Gold watch?
Stupidest thing I heard today :D

The OP worded his post poorly. However, 2 out of 5 Edition models appear to be intended only for men (midnight blue classic buckle and black sport band) considering that they're only available in the 42mm size. The bright red and rose gray modern buckles are decidedly feminine. The white sport band appears to be unisex (but is too feminine for my taste).

I think the real reason why some people get the impression the OP does is if you ignore the size they're available in, any of the Edition models would look fine on women but the bright red and rose gray modern buckles would look too girlie on most (non-flamboyant) men.
 
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Piggie

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Feb 23, 2010
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I tend to think more women would lean toward that over the stainless model, but the price point will be a deal breaker for at least a few potential customers. My friend's wife was talking about this a couple of days ago - she really likes the Edition, but isn't too keen on the price.

I'm not saying to cheapen the Edition, but I wonder if the gold look (without the actual gold) could one day come into the lineup.

I did suggest apple could at some point bring out a gold played version for the who liked the look and colour, but could not stretch to the price of the solid gold shell edition model.

The self proclaimed so called watch expert who knows it all in this group said that gold plated watches are basically junk and thing only poor peasants would have, so apple should not offer such an option.

I don't agree with his views, but it's something I guess they may consider.

The higher the price of the edition the more sence it would make for apple to offer a gold plated version.

There is no point in a mass market product that the mass market cannot afford, there should be options at many price points I feel.

Something seems wrong in my book in having perhaps tens of thousands or people, perhaps more women as they may have some gold not too expensive jewellery already, never being able to realistically afford a gold looking apple watch, but having to make do with silver, black or chrome look finish.

That does not seem that good, when you could offer a gold played version, ad many many other watch makers do, for those who want the look, but unfortunately, due to bills and family ect cannot justify the price of the very expensive model.

Of course this wont matter so much if apple has in some way been a bit sneaky and the edition watch is far more affordable than many here are speculating
 

gcooldude86

macrumors 6502
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Jul 28, 2014
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Is it really made of solid gold to begin with? The apple site says their metal whatever's have made it twice as strong as standard gold. Maybe it's not gold plated but some sort of other metal in the mix to make it stronger. I'm just hoping it won't be too expensive so that the average joe can afford it.
 

Piggie

macrumors G3
Feb 23, 2010
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Making it too expensive for the average Joe the entire point of making a watch out of gold.

Indeed, that's why there are so many items that are gold plated, many many watch brands do gold plated versions, so that more people can afford an item or watch with the same colour/look but at a fraction of the price.

Are we all anti this concept here?
Knowing many many other watch brands do gold plated versions in there range?

https://www.ernestjones.co.uk/webstore/l/watches/case+material|rose+gold+plated/recipient|him/


http://www.ernestjones.co.uk/webstore/l/watches/case+material|rose+gold+plated/recipient|her/
 

dacreativeguy

macrumors 68020
Jan 27, 2007
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just curious, looking at the bands for the watch editon, do you think the bands are more geared towards women?

That's the most mainstream jewelry-like version of the watch this go around. I think they are doing the best they can with an "unfeminine" square shape to appeal to women. I think they'll need to come up with a new form factor to really attract female customers. Even 38mm is much larger than current high end female oriented watches.
 

kmj2318

macrumors 68000
Aug 22, 2007
1,669
712
Naples, FL
Is it really made of solid gold to begin with? The apple site says their metal whatever's have made it twice as strong as standard gold. Maybe it's not gold plated but some sort of other metal in the mix to make it stronger. I'm just hoping it won't be too expensive so that the average joe can afford it.

Solid gold is 24k, and the Apple Watch is 18k, which is standard for gold watches. That means a typical gold watch is not pure gold, but a mixture with other materials made to improve its strength, or alter its color (like rose gold). What this probably means is that Apple altered the composition of the non-gold part, but the amount of actual gold is still 18k. So, it's still high end.
 

Julien

macrumors G4
Jun 30, 2007
11,847
5,441
Atlanta
Solid gold is 24k, and the Apple Watch is 18k, which is standard for gold watches. That means a typical gold watch is not pure gold, but a mixture with other materials made to improve its strength, or alter its color (like rose gold). What this probably means is that Apple altered the composition of the non-gold part, but the amount of actual gold is still 18k. So, it's still high end.

You are confusing fine (pure) gold with the word solid. Solid gold can be any karat (fineness). The term is to differentiate gold chains that are sold as 10K or 14K gold but are hollow. Here is an example of a hollow gold chain. Here is a solid 10K gold chain.
 
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lewisd25

macrumors 6502a
Jul 6, 2007
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A rose gold Apple watch with a more conventional crocodile/alligator leather strap would definitely NOT look feminine.
 

Piggie

macrumors G3
Feb 23, 2010
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We can muse all we wish about Gold in the Apple Watch.

All we know is that the case of the watch on the outside is made from 18k Gold.

What wall thickness that gold is, we have no idea.
It could be thick is some areas, very very thin in other areas.
It may have supporting material underneath it to give it extra strength of it may have nothing else other than gold.

We can assume the chip/battery is supported in some skeletal framework, which is then fitted inside the shell of the case.

Until one is stripped down / sectioned in half, we really don't know.
the gold content of the watch as a whole could vary wildly depending on how it's been manufactured, which could alter the raw material costs by many hundreds of dollars in either direction.

Won't be long now :)
 

kdarling

macrumors P6
Is it really made of solid gold to begin with? The apple site says their metal whatever's have made it twice as strong as standard gold. Maybe it's not gold plated but some sort of other metal in the mix to make it stronger.

As several others noted, it's 18 kt gold, which means it's 75% gold + 25% other metal. ( 18 / 24 = .75)

This is necessary because pure 24 kt gold would be too soft for a case.

As far as "twice as hard as standard gold" goes, that's Apple marketing trying to make the ordinary sound magical. It's normal for 18 kt gold to be twice as hard as pure gold.

I'm just hoping it won't be too expensive so that the average joe can afford it.

Yeah, for many people who prefer that color, it's too bad Apple is not offering a gold plated option at first.
 

Julien

macrumors G4
Jun 30, 2007
11,847
5,441
Atlanta
As several others noted, it's 18 kt gold, which means it's 75% gold + 25% other metal. ( 18 / 24 = .75)

This is necessary because pure 24 kt gold would be too soft for a case.

As far as "twice as hard as standard gold" goes, that's Apple marketing trying to make the ordinary sound magical. It's normal for 18 kt gold to be twice as hard as pure gold....

Yea, the "twice as hard as standard gold" is just marketing speak.

In general yellow gold is a copper and silver alloy and rose gold is just (or mostly) a copper alloy. White gold can actually be made harder because it can contain a nickel alloy.
 

OllyW

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Oct 11, 2005
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White gold can actually be made harder because it can contain a nickel alloy.

Palladium is often used now because many people are allergic to nickel and it's content is regulated for jewellery and watches sold in the UK.

In the UK, jewellers have to be aware of their obligations under the Dangerous Substances and Preparations (Nickel) (Safety) Regulations 2005 which is designed to prevent people becoming sensitised to nickel, which can lead to allergic contact dermatitis.

Because trace elements of nickel can be found in many precious jewellery alloys and particularly in costume jewellery, jewellers have to be confident that when they are designed to be worn in direct and prolonged contact with the skin, eg a ring, necklace, bracelet, watchback or parts of earrings (but not a brooch) any nickel which is released from an item of jewellery is within permitted levels. For piercing post assemblies, this release level is a maximum of .2 micrograms per square cm per week. For other products (ie not piercings) it is a maximum of .5 micrograms per square cm per week. The tests are carried out under controlled conditions in a commercial testing laboratory or in certain assay offices.

http://www.bja.org.uk/en/consumer/consumer-help-advice/precious-metal-and-nickel.cfm
 
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