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Is the hacking community about to go extinct?

daneoni

daneoni

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Mar 24, 2006
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So i was just thinking and realised that only the dev-team has a jailbreaking/unlocking product and even that product can't unlock the 3G iPhone...yet.

All the others tools are no where to be found. ZiPhone/iLiberty+ etc have not released anything which leads me to believe they cant find any other exploits besides the one the dev team found.

Is it logical to conclude that Apple's security is getting tighter and tighter? Also they're looking for a security guru which i guess means they want to further beef up the security of their platform and try to keep hackers out for good

Am i just reading too much into this or is the hacking community really...slowly coming to an end?
 
daneoni said:
So i was just thinking and realised that only the dev-team has a jailbreaking/unlocking product and even that product can't unlock the 3G iPhone...yet.

All the others tools are no where to be phone. ZiPhone/iLiberty+ etc have not released anything which leads me to believe they cant find any other exploits besides the one the dev team found.

Is it logical to conclude that Apple's security is getting tighter and tighter? Also they're looking for a security guru which i guess means they want to further beef up the security of their platform and try to keep hackers out for good

Am i just reading too much into this or is the hacking community really...slowly coming to an end?
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sigh.
good question.

i doubt it though.
take the PSP for example (yes i know its sony)

they have been constantly updating the firmware, and people are sitll able to hack it.

there is always something.
 
will we eventually loose support for iPhone v1?
just as the iPhone evolves into newer models.
 
unless there is a dramatic change in nexts years model?
i suppose you are right.
 
It was my understanding that the type of exploit that was found is sort of the "end all" exploit. I don't know much about the whole process, but I think there really isn't any (or any need for) a better/different one? I think I remember hearing it is a hardware exploit, which makes it much harder if not impossible for apple to close the exploit? But I could have understood that all wrong.

What other exploits would you want them to find, besides jailbreaking, out of curiosity?

I mean, just because they haven't released an unlock in less than two weeks after release, that means that the hacking community for the iphone is dead? I'm so confused?
 
pj rage said:
It was my understanding that the type of exploit that was found is sort of the "end all" exploit. I don't know much about the whole process, but I think there really isn't any (or any need for) a better/different one? I think I remember hearing it is a hardware exploit, which makes it much harder if not impossible for apple to close the exploit? But I could have understood that all wrong.

What other exploits would you want them to find, besides jailbreaking, out of curiosity?

I mean, just because they haven't released an unlock in less than two weeks after release, that means that the hacking community for the iphone is dead? I'm so confused?
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you dont understand.
last time they released a hack that turned the iPhone into a microwave oven.

:p:rolleyes:
 
Tallest Skil said:
It would have to be a complete restructuring of the iPhone's OS X to not work on the current ones.

If there was a middle ground OS X Touch (say, for the MacTablet which will NEVER exist), that wouldn't work.
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just curious, how would they have to restructure it?
 
pj rage said:
It was my understanding that the type of exploit that was found is sort of the "end all" exploit. I don't know much about the whole process, but I think there really isn't any (or any need for) a better/different one? I think I remember hearing it is a hardware exploit, which makes it much harder if not impossible for apple to close the exploit? But I could have understood that all wrong.

What other exploits would you want them to find, besides jailbreaking, out of curiosity?

I mean, just because they haven't released an unlock in less than two weeks after release, that means that the hacking community for the iphone is dead? I'm so confused?
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I was just thinking that previously, there were many options which means if one couldn't find an unlock there was potential for another to find a different exploit and release an unlock tool but now there's only one player and they don't have an unlock which could be attributed to tighter security and we all have to wait till they do

So you're saying rather than the end of the hacking community its simply just the dev-teams turf now and given the nature of their tool it should suffice ?
 
daneoni said:
I was just thinking that previously, there were many options which means if one couldn't find an unlock there was potential for another to find a different exploit and release an unlock tool but now there's only one player and they don't have an unlock which could be attributed to tighter security and we all have to wait till they do

So you're saying rather than the end of the hacking community its simply just the dev-teams turf now and given the nature of their tool it should suffice ?
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Like I said, I don't know exactly how it all works now or worked before, but I thought that all of the players were using the same exploit, but just implemented their software differently. One person (or a couple of them teamed up) found the exploit(s) and then implemented ways to get it to us. Last time, someone found it first, then others copied it and redistributed it. That's how I understand it anyway.

So what I was thinking is that more may come, but they will probably be based off of the dev-team's technology, if you can call it that.
 
daneoni said:
So i was just thinking and realised that only the dev-team has a jailbreaking/unlocking product and even that product can't unlock the 3G iPhone...yet.

All the others tools are no where to be found. ZiPhone/iLiberty+ etc have not released anything which leads me to believe they cant find any other exploits besides the one the dev team found.

Is it logical to conclude that Apple's security is getting tighter and tighter? Also they're looking for a security guru which i guess means they want to further beef up the security of their platform and try to keep hackers out for good

Am i just reading too much into this or is the hacking community really...slowly coming to an end?
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Yes, it is logical to conclude that Apple's security is getting tighter....they're not in the business of making it easy for hackers to exploit their systems.

I think you need to take a step back and understand the process involved in going from a virgin iPhone to an unlocked iPhone. The "exploit" that is being discussed is what allows the Dev Team to "break" the security around the iPhone and get access to it's internals (meaning the firmware, baseband, etc). This is essentially a jailbreak, and what allowed them to come out with a jailbreak for the 3G iPhone so quickly.

Unlocking is another matter entirely. One must have a jailbreak first, as unlocking requires access to the baseband ("firmware" that controls the communications hardware of the iPhone). This baseband is kept under some serious security, but my understanding is that the Dev Team have managed I think two or three days ago to "download" the baseband. From this point, the next step is to analyze the new baseband and identify the points that must be changed/modified to allow the iPhone to be "unlocked" from AT&T carrier only status. This is what is currently being worked on, it is much more difficult that doing a jailbreak, and is why there is no 3G unlock yet.

What should be taken away is that the phone is barely two weeks out and they've gotten the baseband downloaded, and this being evidence that the
"hacker community" is going full steam ahead. I'd seriously recommend you locate and hang out on the Dev Team's IRC channel....you can get a much better idea of where they are, and you can get a solid understanding of just how difficult this sort of thing is.....
 
pj rage said:
Like I said, I don't know exactly how it all works now or worked before, but I thought that all of the players were using the same exploit, but just implemented their software differently. One person (or a couple of them teamed up) found the exploit(s) and then implemented ways to get it to us. Last time, someone found it first, then others copied it and redistributed it. That's how I understand it anyway.

So what I was thinking is that more may come, but they will probably be based off of the dev-team's technology, if you can call it that.
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Fair arguement
 
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