iPhone X Is the latest wave of attacks on iPhones and iPhone byers orchestrated?

[The-Real-Deal82]

I think people are waking up to the fact the the overall iPhone experience hasn't changed much to necessitate the yearly upgrade. The fact that the home screen hasn't changed is baffling. The bloat in imessage and overall inconsistent design is frustrating. The music app is gross. People are tired of chasing a "new device high" and being let down. Just my two cents.

That is part of the problem I have to agree. I’m not a power user as such and iOS works well for my needs but I agree it could be a little more exciting. Simple custom tweaks like allowing the user to place app icons anywhere is something users have been asking for for years. An ability to change the size of icons would be nice too in order to fit more on the screen. They are just a simple examples though and I’m sure there are many other preferences.

The fact if the matter is once an iPhone is open, you could be looking at any model in the range. The exterior shell and minor hardware bumps are what tell them apart really.

The new music app interface is pretty poor I have to agree there. Once I’ve got a playlist loaded I tend to navigate from my Apple Watch as it’s less frustrating. The previous interface looked nicer and was much easier to navigate.

 

[brian3uk]

So tell us what your solutions are please. We're Apple people. Very few of us know anything of the Android world.

The Home Screen "hasn't changed" you say. So what's missing? For many of us coming from the 6 to the X for the first time we have 3D Touch which is a major win to a secondary layer of time-saving shortcuts, we have Folders, we have a clock and status indicators....where is Apple missing the boat?

Bloat in iMessage you say. What bloat? On my X iMessage is incredibly fast and anything but bloated and slow. Where is Apple going wrong and bloated?

The Music app is gross you say. Why? How is someone else's better? Do people actually use a Music app anymore with Siri ("play the new Maroon 5 LP") or Spotlight search just a swipe away? Where is Apple wrong?

My experience with these elements you criticize is completely different than yours. Please shed some light.

I'm an Apple person too. I've had every iPhone since day 1. I have an iMac, MBP/tb, ATV4K, AW3LTE, and am gonna get a homepod. I don't know anything about Android. My comment isn't about comparing the 2. Just changes in iOS over the years.

The home screen looks exactly the same, why on larger screen phone can I not put more apps instead of being stuck with more empty space? Why not let us space them out how we want instead of snapping to the grid? 3D touch is alright, but SO limited, and again inconsistent. I can force touch on home app in control center, but not on home screen? dumb. Which brings up control center, it's better, but the change with the wifi/bluetooth toggle is confusing to MANY. Just give us the option to change how the buttons work, and give us a VPN toggle too.

iMessage used to be simple, I get that Apple wants to compete with other messaging apps but give us the option to ditch the store and its clutter. The message animation things too, why are they in a different screen, with different means of selection than the app menu? Animoji are such a niche product. Their marketing focus on that shows how desperate they are to appear innovative. But that's for another thread.

The old, ios9 music app was better. The display is again cluttered. On a 4.7 device you can only see 4 (and the tops of the next 2) albums at a time. You've got the menu bar at the top, another at the bottom, and then the now playing bar too. I have a large music library and cant remember every single album I own to ask siri to play something all the time. I scroll to find music I haven't heard in awhile. That's incredibly slow now because of the limited viewable area. Could be solved but lettings us choose the album image size, like in itunes.

Similar to music app, design elements too, some elements, like app titles on menu screen are bigger, why? There is already the option to increase text size, bold text, and zoom mode (except on x) so why did they make things so large. We're not all old and stupid. Screen space is valuable don't waste it.

Also design related, color schemes. We finally get OLED but now many of the stock apps are light colored and show off the inconsistent whites in OLED displays. Dark mode, simple as that.

As I said, that's just my opinion and everyone is different, which only reinforces my point that we should be given options. After 10 years of iphones, many of us are invested in the ecosystem and cant or wont leave. So please, just give us some software customization choices.

 

[Archer1440]

Here's an interesting Note 8 review, published by Android Central, a highly reputable Android blog.

Interesting to look at the comments- how the Android fans eat their own, and also interesting that there are literally no Apple fans posting in their ball field.

 

[bopajuice]

No, it doesn't. Throttling means something to 1% of the userbase and those are the users who upgrade their phones every 18 months anyway. Typical iPhone user makes a few phone calls, sends a few texts, takes a few photos every day. They aren't straining their processors.

Throttling is a good thing. It's what allows for good battery life in a battery that's dying out.

Oh, and if you think Apple is the only manufacturer doing this, think again. Just wait until they start testing Samsung's and other budget Android phones, it'll be the same scenario.

How did you come up with the 1% number? All users who have an older phone will be affected.

Don’t know how much you know about charging batteries but the age of the battery can also have an effect. In fact the quality of the charger, what amps the battery is charged at, and how frequently the battery is charged regardless of the amount of use can have an effect.

How did you determine only frequent upgraders will be affected?

 

[DNichter]

How did you come up with the 1% number? All users who have an older phone will be affected.

Don’t know how much you know about charging batteries but the age of the battery can also have an effect. In fact the quality of the charger, what amps the battery is charged at, and how frequently the battery is charged regardless of the amount of use can have an effect.

How did you determine only frequent upgraders will be affected?

They make the software adjustments to those with bad batteries or ones that have past the 500 cycle mark, at least that's how I read it. Not all, as you say.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Interesting to look at the comments- how the Android fans eat their own, and also interesting that there are literally no Apple fans posting in their ball field.

We’ve seen a culture of Apple users attacking each other on here in the last few months too. Now the range is so split we’ve got fans of different devices belittling each other including mocking wealth and lack of. I used to laugh at Android fans and their small mindedness and how they mocked us for not being tech savvy etc. Now we have that here.

 

[AlphaGuitarist]

Interesting to look at the comments- how the Android fans eat their own, and also interesting that there are literally no Apple fans posting in their ball field.

I've mentioned elsewhere that, based on my personal observations, it's usually Android fans insulting Apple and its fans, not the other way around. As stated by another user, most Apple fans couldn't care less about Android (and other operating systems, for that matter), which explains why there are no Apple fans posting comments on the less-than-flattering Note 8 review. It almost seems like Android fans harbor some type of resentment/envy toward their Apple counterparts; otherwise, why would they waste time with petty insults?

 

[Archer1440]

We’ve seen a culture of Apple users attacking each other on here in the last few months too. Now the range is so split we’ve got fans of different devices belittling each other including mocking wealth and lack of. I used to laugh at Android fans and their small mindedness and how they mocked us for not being tech savvy etc. Now we have that here.

I find your comment to be quite ironic. And, insecure BMW owners here have been staging their silly act for literally years now.

On another note, I do find the Android user comments to be very amusing. Things like this are comedy gold:

Operator error one of my phones is Galaxy S5 after 3 and half still work perfect like brand new. go back icrap dude, you not smart enough for Android

Sheer nose cola stuff. "You not smart enough for Android". Right up there with "All your base are belong to us".

 

[JediZenMaster]

Society has become so polarized. Used to be, if you did not agree, you were not liked now you are hated and they want to kill you!

Yup! Pitchforks and torches unless you agree with the hive mind. I’ll never fall in line so burn baby burn

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I find your comment to be quite ironic. And, insecure BMW owners here have been staging their silly act for literally years now.

There’s a certain someone here that fits that description very well. Mocking those who don’t have the iPhone X, comparing them to Kia’s and suggesting Android users are poor people and those with iPhones before the 8 are penny pinchers etc. It’s all an attempt to compensate for something missing.

Android fanboys can be just as bad but I avoid their forums as I’m not a user of that platform and have no reason to visit.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Yup! Pitchforks and torches unless you agree with the hive mind.

You accused me of bullying you the other day because I had a different viewpoint which was in no way directed at you personally and was simply discussing the features of a device. There’s a lot of people who can’t debate on here without taking it personally and won’t entertain that others have different opinions and you are one of those people.

 

[JediZenMaster]

You accused me of bullying you the other day because I had a different viewpoint which was in no way directed at you personally and was simply discussing the features of a device. There’s a lot of people who can’t debate on here without taking it personally and won’t entertain that others have different opinions and you are one of those people.

When you start spouting your opinions as facts then your darn right I won’t entertain it.

Stuff like “folks aren’t going to pay x amount etc”. You can’t speak for others as if that’s a fact.

I can listen to an opinion however mine is already locked in and not changing and that’s why I felt attacked because you kept coming at me when I said repeatedly that I liked everything about the phone as if you were attempting to change my mind.

When I like something it’s a laser lock and there is no changing it.

 

[AlphaGuitarist]

On another note, I do find the Android user comments to be very amusing. Things like this are comedy gold:



Sheer nose cola stuff. "You not smart enough for Android". Right up there with "All your base are belong to us".

Google "Richard Yarrell" for some serious Android, specifically Samsung, comedy gold. He was a frequent commenter on various blogs and forums.

 

[Totemsflare]

We’ve seen a culture of Apple users attacking each other on here in the last few months too. Now the range is so split we’ve got fans of different devices belittling each other including mocking wealth and lack of. I used to laugh at Android fans and their small mindedness and how they mocked us for not being tech savvy etc. Now we have that here.

Unfortunately, this is everywhere on the internet - it’s what happens when you don’t have the other in front of you. It’s also a ver primitive tribal thing that forums and comment sections awaken somehow.

I just joined the forum because I was tired of reading very offensive things towards a company that, really guys, is one of the lesser evils in a sea of multinationals.

Samsung have been accused of bribing South Korea’s head of state. It pisses me off to see people asking this website’s users to drop Apple for devices coming from a sort of Mafia. No company is isolated from making mistakes, but I worked at Cupertino for 5 weeks as a contractor and the pure joy from the employers working there making the best products and services possible for the world completely overwhelmed me.

 

[Archer1440]

Google "Richard Yarrell" for some serious Android, specifically Samsung, comedy gold. He was a frequent commenter on various blogs and forums.

Just 15 seconds yielded this comedy gem:

You are just as dum as the other two buttholes S***20 and s***89

Brilliant.

 

[RecentlyConverted]

It's always a possibility, but personally I don't let people on this or any forum sway my opinion. I will listen to them and see their point, but I make my own decisions.

The way we should all be. Thats why I don't block any members on any sites however much I dislike or don't agree with them. You have to have an open mind. Listen and make your own mind up.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

When you start spouting your opinions as facts then your darn right I won’t entertain it.

Stuff like “folks aren’t going to pay x amount etc”. You can’t speak for others as if that’s a fact.

I can listen to an opinion however mine is already locked in and not changing and that’s why I felt attacked because you kept coming at me when I said repeatedly that I liked everything about the phone as if you were attempting to change my mind.

When I like something it’s a laser lock and there is no changing it.

I could argue there that your opinions of the X were being passed off as fact too, hence why I questioned your views. It doesn’t make any difference to me what your views of it are, but debating them is not ‘bullying’ as you threw that word into the discussion while writing censored swear words. Discussion forums are ideal for debating and discussing opposing views and that’s a concept I don’t think you’ve quite got to grips with.

My opinion can change as I’m pretty objective and open to discussion.

 

[JediZenMaster]

I could argue there that your opinions of the X were being passed off as fact too, hence why I questioned your views. It doesn’t make any difference to me what your views of it are, but debating them is not ‘bullying’ as you threw that word into the discussion while writing censored swear words. Discussion forums are ideal for debating and discussing opposing views and that’s a concept I don’t think you’ve quite got to grips with.

I never passed off my opinions as fact. My stance is I like the device and no one is going to change my mind about it versus folks who keep needling and insisting that I must see their point of view.

As far as censored swear words I never cussed on this forum. What I did do call some folks out on perceived arrogance but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter what others think because it’s not their money that purchased this and they are not the person who will be using it.

I am going to start using the ignore function though. Happy new year

 

[RecentlyConverted]

These forums (and others) have been always been very defensive against any criticisms of Apple, so its good to see some balance and more Apple users challenge "The Apple Way".

But I remember before the 8/8Plus/X launch, discussing on another site how good I thought it would be for Retina ID or something similar in addition to Touch ID, as it would be useful for manual workers, or those people in cold countries who wear gloves as Touch ID doesn't work for them. The spew of vitriol directed at me was crazy. I wonder how many of those people are now saying that Face ID is so fantastic, better than Touch ID (that they were blindly defending a few months ago).

This is a forum. Many of us will disagree with each other and to an extent thats really good, but we must remain civil and not name call. Twice I have let my standards slip and got personal for that I am regretful. Lets all try and keep it civil, we must challenge each other, give constructive criticism, but not name call.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I never passed off my opinions as fact. My stance is I like the device and no one is going to change my mind about it versus folks who keep needling and insisting that I must see their point of view.

As far as censored swear words I never cussed on this forum. What I did do call some folks out on perceived arrogance but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter what others think because it’s not their money that purchased this and they are not the person who will be using it.

I am going to start using the ignore function though. Happy new year

I’d never attack you for enjoying your phone but from what you are saying here it seems you participated in threads like this with a closed mind and no tolerance whatsoever for anybody with a different point of view. Now after a brief and civil discussion you’ve informed me you’re going to ignore me. Quite what you gain from posting here if you won’t tolerate different opinions in any form is beyond me? I hope you find what you are looking for and sorry you take these discussions so personally. All the best.

 

[bevsb2]

So you agree that Apple has changed from a 1 iPhone for everyone and it just works company to a many phones at different price points, with features withheld, to force upsells to the more expensive units?

Isn't that the way most companies sell things? There is the basic bottom line at the lowest price point and the highest with all the bells and whistles. I can't afford a Lamborghini but I don't spend all my time criticizing it and complaining about how overpriced it is.

 

[thesaint024]

It's called straw-man arguments which is a logical fallacy.

See here is the problem. I have no problem discussing how Apple as changed and why. In fact that's the next logical set in the conversation. But to get there we need to first admit (explicit state) that they have changed. And both you and @Relentless Power are deflecting that acknowledgment.... because the conversation will then go into a direction that is against your current beliefs or values. To a place where you might have to admit that you are wrong.

Wow, still at it? I can also attest you avoid every question posed to you and pick and choose when to answer when it fits your agenda, which you have admitted is simply to bash Apple in the hopes that they "do what you want". Crying "straw-man" or "troll" every time someone asks you a question is getting really played out. I fell for it initially, but it would go a long way in a discussion if you actually addressed questions posed to you. Like @Relentless Power, I can also list a ton of questions I've asked you (masochistically feeding), that you just avoid because it doesn't suit your agenda. If you just answered and had dialogue, things may progress. I spent time answering all of your questions and claims (I fell for it). Only responses you give are "straw-man" and "troll"! Dictionary.com can be your friend. At least look up some new words to repeat.

 

[44267547]

Wow, still at it? I can also attest you avoid every question posed to you and pick and choose when to answer when it fits your agenda, which you have admitted is simply to bash Apple in the hopes that they "do what you want". Crying "straw-man" or "troll" every time someone asks you a question is getting really played out. I fell for it initially, but it would go a long way in a discussion if you actually addressed questions posed to you. Like @Relentless Power, I can also list a ton of questions I've asked you (masochistically feeding), that you just avoid because it doesn't suit your agenda. If you just answered and had dialogue, things may progress. I spent time answering all of your questions and claims (I fell for it). Only responses you give are "straw-man" and "troll"! Dictionary.com can be your friend. At least look up some new words to repeat.

I agree. Part of discussion is actually answering the questions to provoke thought and/or furthering discussion About Apple. One-sided arguments where somebody interjects emotion over logic show signs that their deflecting away what was asked of them because they don't want to be proven wrong otherwise.

And further to add to your Post, when I was posing my questions earlier in those posts, none of them were strawman arguments, they were legitimate questions that were being ignored in Exchange for arguing off topic semantics, which I'm not remotely interested in.

 

[thesaint024]

I agree. Part of discussion is actually answering the questions to provoke thought and/or furthering discussion About Apple. One-sided arguments where somebody interjects emotion over logic show signs that their deflecting away what was asked of them because they don't want to be proven wrong otherwise.

And further to add to your Post, when I was posing my questions earlier in those posts, none of them were strawman arguments, they were legitimate questions that were being ignored in Exchange for arguing off topic semantics, which I'm not remotely interested in.

Haha, preaching to the choir, victims of patently false strawman accusations. Like I told him in an earlier post, just saying strawman doesn't make it true. I backed pretty much all of my points, which were conveniently overlooked. I don't want to pile onto people, but reading your post, I immediately thought "OMG, he does this to everyone! I'm not the only lucky guy."

To get back on topic, WTF is wrong with everyone?! How about them suspected paid trolls?! JK. The X is not perfect, but it's the best for me right now. I am secretly wishing for Apple to discount the price a bit to curb some of these emotional posts. Some have stated that a lower price would make these features they "hate" suddenly worth the price and a good value. Works for me, I hope it happens to get people back on track.

 

[macfacts]

People complaining or criticizing Apple are not grouping up or organizing or being paid.

The same question could be asked of Apple. Is Apple paying users to go on forums to handle damage control? Everytime Apple puts out a PR piece, it will have certain buzzwords in it and instantly there are multiple users parroting the same phrase. Slavishly copied, consumed battery, differential privacy, secure enclave, machine learning, bionic chip, etc.