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iPad Pro Is this a computer?

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Eric5273

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There seems to be the opinion of many that a "real computer" is only one that can restore itself in case of a crash. I've seen multiple people say that because an iPad Pro needs another computer to revive itself from a crash, then it is not a computer.

By that logic, then is a iMac Pro considered a computer?

Based on this trend, I would guess all Macs will be like this soon. Is it a problem? Maybe for some of you. I've been using both macs and iOS devices for 10+ years now, and I have never had a crash that required a full restore. But I take care of my computers and keep them organized. I would guess more people have hardware issues that require service than have software issues that require a full restore. But maybe I'm wrong.... I've seen quite a few clueless people over the years who don't know how to use their computers and always mess stuff up.
 
Eric5273 said:
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/12/15/bricked-mac-pro-how-to-restore/

There seems to be the opinion of many that a "real computer" is only one that can restore itself in case of a crash. I've seen multiple people say that because an iPad Pro needs another computer to revive itself from a crash, then it is not a computer.

By that logic, then is a iMac Pro considered a computer?

Based on this trend, I would guess all Macs will be like this soon. Is it a problem? Maybe for some of you. I've been using both macs and iOS devices for 10+ years now, and I have never had a crash that required a full restore. But I take care of my computers and keep them organized. I would guess more people have hardware issues that require service than have software issues that require a full restore. But maybe I'm wrong.... I've seen quite a few clueless people over the years who don't know how to use their computers and always mess stuff up.
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Using that logic, every computer that is not a Mac with Internet recovery is not a real computer. Pretty sure Deep Blue would argue with that definition of computer.
 
I'm not the one who said it. I'm just repeating what I read numerous posts in other threads say. Many posted that it's not a real computer because it requires a mac or PC to recover. Isn't it interesting that now the highest price mac also requires another mac to restore itself.
 
Eric5273 said:
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/12/15/bricked-mac-pro-how-to-restore/

There seems to be the opinion of many that a "real computer" is only one that can restore itself in case of a crash. I've seen multiple people say that because an iPad Pro needs another computer to revive itself from a crash, then it is not a computer.

By that logic, then is a iMac Pro considered a computer?

Based on this trend, I would guess all Macs will be like this soon. Is it a problem? Maybe for some of you. I've been using both macs and iOS devices for 10+ years now, and I have never had a crash that required a full restore. But I take care of my computers and keep them organized. I would guess more people have hardware issues that require service than have software issues that require a full restore. But maybe I'm wrong.... I've seen quite a few clueless people over the years who don't know how to use their computers and always mess stuff up.
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I think this whole “iPad isn’t a real computer” debate is quite disingenuous. There’s a saying “doesn’t matter if the cat is black or white so long as it catches rats”. If the iPad does what you need it to do, why does it matter whether it’s technically a computer or not?
 
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Eric5273 said:
I'm not the one who said it. I'm just repeating what I read numerous posts in other threads say. Many posted that it's not a real computer because it requires a mac or PC to recover. Isn't it interesting that now the highest price mac also requires another mac to restore itself.
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If you're just repeating what others have said, then why post it? Just to start yet another fight?
 
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Apple may may make the the ipad more of a computer when the windows 10 on arm come to market. These will be great products, but an ipad with decently designed smart cover and pointer capability could be so much better. Smart cover is an embarassment.
 
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rowspaxe said:
Apple may may make the the ipad more of a computer when the windows 10 on arm come to market. These will be great products, but an ipad with decently designed smart cover and pointer capability could be so much better. Smart cover is an embarassment.
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Smart cover is Ok, Smart Keyboard, I think, is a little embarrassing the way it is. But many people like it
 
Well, Apple is trying to market iPads as computer replacements and trying to blur the line. Which is interesting because Apple is the one who has always maintained distinctly seperate tablets and computers product lines. Windows, on the other hand, offers plenty of hybrids in the market.

For me, an iPad simply cannot replace my laptop, whether Apple calls it a computer or not.
 
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Well, Apple is trying to market iPads as computer replacements and trying to blur the line.

For me, an iPad simply cannot replace my laptop, whether Apple calls it a computer or not.
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the main problem is not even the Operating System (it is a problem, but can be solved) as much as the crazy App Store limitation model, with no chances of sideloading app from different sources (which Android allows).
 
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Of course it's a computer. As is my iPhone. My Casio FX991 calculator is a computer, too... hard to replace that one!

The iPad just isn't one that can replace my other computers since they can do many things it either cannot do efficiently or at all.
 
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the main problem is not even the Operating System (it is a problem, but can be solved) as much as the crazy App Store limitation model, with no chances of sideloading app from different sources (which Android allows).
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Actually, the main problem is that the iPad/iOS is not for techies. The iPad wasn’t made for people who make technology a hobby or a profession/obsession - it’s made for the average person - the people who are just fine with downloading apps from the App Store, don’t care about connecting a mouse, or any number of the things people on boards like this complain about.
 
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Actually, the main problem is that the iPad/iOS is not for techies. The iPad wasn’t made for people who make technology a hobby or a profession/obsession - it’s made for the average person - the people who are just fine with downloading apps from the App Store, don’t care about connecting a mouse, or any number of the things people on boards like this complain about.
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Same bunch of people that didn’t need a stylus?
 
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Same bunch of people that didn’t need a stylus?
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Because the stylus comment is never misinterpreted...

Steve was absolutely right. Mobile touch screen devices up to that point were “stylus first, touch second” - they were meant to be used with a stylus but could use touch. iPads are “touch first, stylus second” - meaning your primary method of interacting is touch and a stylus is used for specific applications.

And let’s not kid ourselves here... the Apple Pencil was really developed for Artists - it is not, by far, required for operating the iPad (like the stylus for the Palm, Pocket PC, and Newton devices were).
 
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Because the stylus comment is never misinterpreted...

Steve was absolutely right. Mobile touch screen devices up to that point were “stylus first, touch second” - they were meant to be used with a stylus but could use touch. iPads are “touch first, stylus second” - meaning your primary method of interacting is touch and a stylus is used for specific applications.

And let’s not kid ourselves here... the Apple Pencil was really developed for Artists - it is not, by far, required for operating the iPad (like the stylus for the Palm, Pocket PC, and Newton devices were).
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I never misinterpreted that comment. I’ve always had very clear the use cases for a stylus on the iPad, which are the ones you stated. Still, it didn’t spare me years of comments by people who used to say that “normal people” don’t need a stylus, therefore Apple shouldn’t make one (for some reason). Of course adding optional trackpad support would destroy iOS for “normal” people who don’t need one. Like styluses and game pads.
 
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