Is this a new Email setting after 1.1.1 update?

[hh83917]

I am wondering if this is a new setting.

Anyone noticed that if you have a Yahoo account on your iPhone. Under Settings > Mail > Your Yahoo email account > Advance. There is a new switch saying "Use push mail"?

Going to try it out to see if it's really "pushing"

 

[Wyvernspirit]

I am wondering if this is a new setting.

Anyone noticed that if you have a Yahoo account on your iPhone. Under Settings > Mail > Your Yahoo email account > Advance. There is a new switch saying "Use push mail"?

Going to try it out to see if it's really "pushing"

The setting on the iPhone is new, but they were suppose to be pushing from the beginning. I signed up for a new Yahoo account to get this feature, but stopped using it when email I sent to someone kept getting returned as spam from hotmail. No problems with my gmail accounts.

Oh Well.

 

[hh83917]

I just tried it and it doesn't do crap actually lol... I wonder why apple bother to add in that setting, it's still an unreliable feature on yahoo's part I believe. Well, I'm a .Mac user so I still use my .Mac email on my phone, at least it's pretty reliable. Still, I hope they fix the Gmail pop problems where email are not fully downloaded.

 

[jg2000]

maybe i'm being really dumb here but... what is 'push mail'?

 

[hh83917]

maybe i'm being really dumb here but... what is 'push mail'?

Copy & Paste from Apple's support site.

"Yahoo! provides free “push” email accounts. With a push email account, email is transferred to iPhone as soon as it is received by the mail server."

It's what people get on their Blackberries. It's like instant emailing (vs instant messaging) instead of instand messaging. When you receive an email you're phone beeps as soon as it's received, no need to go check email.

 

[jg2000]

got it, thanks

 

[bigdaddymac]

so is the yahoo push email now working for anyone?

 

[d21mike]

so is the yahoo push email now working for anyone?

Yes, just does not work very well. Not reliable most of the time and not very fast. However, it does suprised me from time to time when it starts working properly.

The problems appear to be with both Yahoo and the iPhone.

 

[opticalserenity]

Works sometimes, I'm not only surprised but SHOCKED when it works. I was really happy to see the switch in this update, I didn't hold my breath though to see if it really works now, and I'm glad I didn't.

I really doubt the problem is with the iPhone. Considering it supposedly works by Yahoo sending an SMS to the iPhone, then the iPhone polling the Yahoo IMAP server....I can't imagine the iPhone not working properly. If Yahoo sends the SMS, and assuming the iPhone receives it, it should work just fine.

Yahoo has never impressed me. Steve needs to give us push through Google.

Better yet, if Apple gave us a proper IMAP implementation with the IDLE protocol actually there, we could have push from more than just one source.

 

[Fuchal]

You would think Apple would set up proper push mail through .mac since they own it.

 

[dangleheart]

Do people really crave for Yahoo PUSH email in normal non-cell phone environments? I do not think so. In general, people are happy with their email client periodically checking email. This is true even when they are at their desk connected by wires to the network. Why this big cry for push email on wireless devices?

 

[Fuchal]

Do people really crave for Yahoo PUSH email in normal non-cell phone environments? I do not think so. In general, people are happy with their email client periodically checking email. This is true even when they are at their desk connected by wires to the network. Why this big cry for push email on wireless devices?

1. It saves battery power when you are not receiving email.

2. Desktop clients DO have push email. Exchange, for example, instantly pushes new email to Outlook without checking periodically. When you are trying to get work done it saves a lot of time.

 

[opticalserenity]

1. It saves battery power when you are not receiving email.

2. Desktop clients DO have push email. Exchange, for example, instantly pushes new email to Outlook without checking periodically. When you are trying to get work done it saves a lot of time.

Exactly, those of us who actually use email for business use care about PUSH. Why do you want your car to work when you turn the key? Because you turn the key and want it to work. It's funny how people make excuses for the lack of reliable PUSH.

Personally I don't think a user is even able to make a judgement about PUSH capability unless they used a Blackberry with Blackberry Enterprise Server. Something that I wish Steve Jobs had used.

ALSO, has anyone noticed that since the 1.0.2 update, Yahoo no longer actually checks at your chosen interval? It simply tries to use push or manually when you make it, but otherwise it'll go all day without checking unless you enter the mail.app. Annoying.

 

[dangleheart]

1. It saves battery power when you are not receiving email.

Is that true? Even with Push email, something has to be awake on the phone all the time to 'listen' for the push. Why is that less expensive on battery than a client periodically waking up and checking email. If you have said 'it saves a bit on bandwidth', I can see the point.

If Exchange can push, then Apple client should support push sooner or later. That makes sense from a business point of view. My gripe is a bit different and tangential to this. People compare how Blackberry does it but Blackberry's method seems to need the support of the carrier. I want the carrier to be a dumb pipe and not get involved in this. It should simply be between the client and the server over the cellular transport. That is much cleaner and less cumbersome when you want to offer more enhanced services in the future ( like home monitoring - when there is a change in the view of a fixed camera, alert the phone and not otherwise. In general this should be true of any service that is an alert based system ). May be I am dreaming but the location information of a cell phone and the ability to message them should be aided by the carrier but not controlled by the carrier.

 

[Fuchal]

Exactly, those of us who actually use email for business use care about PUSH. Why do you want your car to work when you turn the key? Because you turn the key and want it to work. It's funny how people make excuses for the lack of reliable PUSH.

Personally I don't think a user is even able to make a judgement about PUSH capability unless they used a Blackberry with Blackberry Enterprise Server. Something that I wish Steve Jobs had used.

ALSO, has anyone noticed that since the 1.0.2 update, Yahoo no longer actually checks at your chosen interval? It simply tries to use push or manually when you make it, but otherwise it'll go all day without checking unless you enter the mail.app. Annoying.

There's a new advanced option in Yahoo mail settings to turn push on or off - if you turn it off, it checks at standard intervals. If you turn it on, it uses the push email that doesn't do anything.

 

[bigdaddymac]

Has anyone tried any other third party apps to achieve more of a push email experience?

And is anyone able to use the IMAP email on their iPhone to incorporate subfolders, file messages in them, and then have those same messages filed on your desk or laptop in the same folders?

 

[ignus graius]

And is anyone able to use the IMAP email on their iPhone to incorporate subfolders, file messages in them, and then have those same messages filed on your desk or laptop in the same folders?

I use both my personal and work email accounts on my iPhone. Both of them are IMAP, and I'm routinely moving messages into folders and having those actions reflected in the mail application on my laptop. It even marks which messages I've replied to and saves the sent messages.

The only issue I had with one of the accounts was that all the folders (drafts, sent, junk, etc.) were listed as subfolders of the inbox. I had to go into my preferences and tell the mail application that the root folder on my IMAP account was INBOX.

 

[davpel]

Has anyone tried any other third party apps to achieve more of a push email experience?

And is anyone able to use the IMAP email on their iPhone to incorporate subfolders, file messages in them, and then have those same messages filed on your desk or laptop in the same folders?

I participated with others over at Hackint0sh in starting a bounty to encourage the developement of a third-party plugin to bring true IDLE functionality to the iPhone. As of Thursday, no one had taken us up on it. Now with the lockdown, I have a feeling development of third-party apps will slow to a crawl, as the number of iPhones which haven't been updated with the new firmware will continue to dwindle.

I hope Apple wakes up and does something about this mail issue. Jobs promised push e-mail, and the Yahoo "push" is an utter joke.

 

[dangleheart]

Jobs promised push e-mail, and the Yahoo "push" is an utter joke.

Promises made, promises kept. But no one claims to the quality of the promise

BTW, if enough people complain two multi-billion dollar companies can make push email work properly. It should not be that big a deal. 1000 extra servers at Yahoo and some fatter pipe for a cost of 3 or 4 million dollars. I am sure yahoo can afford them or SJ can pay that out of his back pocket.

Have you submitted your problem about push email to Apple feedback?