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russell_314

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It’s on the Apple website so I’m sure it’s legitimate. Unless you have a special need for that older model, I would not consider it.
 

russell_314

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Very true:D I mean this kind of money will get you 13900k or 7950x plus RTX 4090. They have lost the plot.
I don’t think they are in the same category. That’s like saying why would you pay $75,000 for a Tesla when you can get Ram 3500 flatbed work truck for that price.


If I had a dollar for every person that just discovered the Apple website and said oh my God, I could buy ___ PC for the price of ___ Mac I wouldn’t have to work a day for the rest of my life.

Apple bases the refurbished price on the new price minus it’s a certain percentage. That’s why that Mac is selling for the price it is. No regular person is going to buy that. The only time I can see someone buying that is if they have a specific need for that model to run a specific software application. In that scenario, most likely that person already owns one that failed, and that is to be a replacement. You would be shocked with how many old and outdated computers are used in business because they work and they don’t want to change what works.
 

theluggage

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I'm not considering it at all. I'm shocked they are even selling it.
I wouldn't look to the Apple Refurb Store for second-hand bargains on old models - Apple have never recognised the idea old designs depreciating in value. If, however, you're buying a current model that's maybe rumoured to be upgraded soon, it's worth checking out as a way of saving a few quid on something that is indistinguishable from brand new. The prices of the 2019 models

As others have said, that "2013" Mac Pro is only "discounted" in the sense that it probably cost £6000 new - but it might be attractive to someone who specifically needs that model and is prepared to get it in "as new" condition rather than take their chances with a third party seller.

£5149 ($6325)
The current exchange rate is £1 = $1.22 but most published UK prices already include 20% VAT (sales tax-ish). So, for a ball-park estimate, divide the £ by 1.2, to get rid of the tax, then multiply by $1.22... so very roughly, $1=£1 isn't too far off when comparing US and UK prices.

Strangely, the $1=£1 rule for sticker prices of personal computer products from US-based firms has been prevalent since the late 1970s, even through times when £1 was closer to $2 and VAT was not only lower but wasn't included in advertised prices for computer gear. These days, it's more defensible.
 

kschendel

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Never underestimate the potential foolishness of the used or refurbished buyer! I was in the used market for some 32GB memory kits recently, and watched with astonishment as bidding wars took the prices of several 32GB kits up to half-again more than the price of brand new kits, retail!

The Mac Pro trashcan listing is almost certainly real, and there's someone out there foolish (or desperate) enough to buy it. I suppose I can imagine (with difficulty) a situation where one's income and livelihood is tied to that model and only that one will do. Ok, no, not really.
 

dpCM

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I don’t think they are in the same category. That’s like saying why would you pay $75,000 for a Tesla when you can get Ram 3500 flatbed work truck for that price.


If I had a dollar for every person that just discovered the Apple website and said oh my God, I could buy ___ PC for the price of ___ Mac I wouldn’t have to work a day for the rest of my life.

Apple bases the refurbished price on the new price minus it’s a certain percentage. That’s why that Mac is selling for the price it is. No regular person is going to buy that. The only time I can see someone buying that is if they have a specific need for that model to run a specific software application. In that scenario, most likely that person already owns one that failed, and that is to be a replacement. You would be shocked with how many old and outdated computers are used in business because they work and they don’t want to change what works.
They sure are not in the same category. The new tech will blow it out of the water no matter how well the cylinder mac pro is (or rather was) built.
 

dpCM

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Mar 23, 2023
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I wouldn't look to the Apple Refurb Store for second-hand bargains on old models - Apple have never recognised the idea old designs depreciating in value. If, however, you're buying a current model that's maybe rumoured to be upgraded soon, it's worth checking out as a way of saving a few quid on something that is indistinguishable from brand new. The prices of the 2019 models

As others have said, that "2013" Mac Pro is only "discounted" in the sense that it probably cost £6000 new - but it might be attractive to someone who specifically needs that model and is prepared to get it in "as new" condition rather than take their chances with a third party seller.


The current exchange rate is £1 = $1.22 but most published UK prices already include 20% VAT (sales tax-ish). So, for a ball-park estimate, divide the £ by 1.2, to get rid of the tax, then multiply by $1.22... so very roughly, $1=£1 isn't too far off when comparing US and UK prices.

Strangely, the $1=£1 rule for sticker prices of personal computer products from US-based firms has been prevalent since the late 1970s, even through times when £1 was closer to $2 and VAT was not only lower but wasn't included in advertised prices for computer gear. These days, it's more defensible.
Sure, that depends on what you're looking for, how long you anticipate the gear to last for and finally how big of a discount your'e getting for, what is practically, a new machine with full (and extendable warranty). However, selling a ten year old model that does not run the current version of macOS for that kind of money is pretty low. It's not a classic Ferrari. It's obsolete tech.
 

dpCM

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haha, my pleasure. that's not new though, they've always been bastards

btw look at this, https://www.notebookcheck.net/Maxed...g-US-52-199-three-years-earlier.682635.0.html

mac pro trade in for 1190 bucks max, lmao

then they resell the crappiest one for 4* that price
But, but, they have been properly cleaned with parts replaced and thoroughly tested:p

We all know that the companies that buy these kinds of machines do not care about the deprecation or trade-in value (tax breaks take care of that), however you're right - it is an absolute joke. Pure greed on Apple's part.
 
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russell_314

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They sure are not in the same category. The new tech will blow it out of the water no matter how well the cylinder mac pro is (or rather was) built.
Wait you mean a computer from 2023 is faster than one from 2013? I think you made a discovery. You should go to the tech press with this story!
 
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dpCM

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Wait you mean a computer from 2023 is faster than one from 2013? I think you made a discovery. You should go to the tech press with this story!
I am working on it and will use you as the source!
 

prefuse07

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Timmy boy is so greedy that they've resulted to this? 🤣

Wonder if any of the other EU or APAC apple refurbished sites are doing the same -- going to check for more laughs.
 

avro707

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Dec 13, 2010
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The 6,1 has been advertised for a while now at this price. I saw it last year. Is it the same one or they have a few of them?

APAC apple refurbished sites

APAC (as in Australia) never ever has Mac Pro available refurbished.
 
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