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Is this legit? (Toast Titanium 7)

FadeToBlack

FadeToBlack

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A few days ago, I won a copy of Toast 7 Titanium on eBay. A couple of days after I won the auction, I got an e-mail from eBay saying:

"The listing was removed by eBay because a Verified Right Owner (VeRO) Program participant notified eBay that the listing potentially infringes its copyright. We strongly urge you not to complete this transaction."

The problem was that I had already payed for the item via PayPal.

I e-mailed the seller about it and she said that if I wasn't satisfied with the item, just to return it and she would give me a full refund.

Well, I received it today and I was wondering if you guys with Toast Titanium 7 could tell me if it looked legit or not, because I do NOT want pirated software. It doesn't look like the Toast Titanium that they are selling on Amazon.

Anyway, here are the pics. Sorry for the crappy quality.

http://usera.imagecave.com/FadeToBlack/Misc/toast1.JPG

http://usera.imagecave.com/FadeToBlack/Misc/toast2.JPG
 
NYJetsFan said:
I wouldn't worry as long as it's an original disc, and the registration key works.

If you are worried, you could always call roxio to verify.

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I agree, thats what I would do.
 
I went ahead and opened it and installed it, then registered it and everything. Right now, I'm downloading the updates. Everything seems to be fine. The CD looked completely legit.
 
FadeToBlack said:
I went ahead and opened it and installed it, then registered it and everything. Right now, I'm downloading the updates. Everything seems to be fine. The CD looked completely legit.
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You should still call Roxio and be assured that the serial # is legitimate. Better safe than sorry; because if it isn't legit you still have time to continue to file a claim w/ eBay or PayPal or whatever.
 
devilot76 said:
You should still call Roxio and be assured that the serial # is legitimate. Better safe than sorry; because if it isn't legit you still have time to continue to file a claim w/ eBay or PayPal or whatever.
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Why bother? If it's running smoothly then leave it be.
 
Chacala_Nayarit said:
Why bother? If it's running smoothly then leave it be.
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Better than finding out right after the x-day mark to file a claim that suddenly that copy doesn't work. That's why in my first post, I said, 'Better safe than sorry.'
 
Chacala_Nayarit said:
Why bother? If it's running smoothly then leave it be.
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Because, if he wants to be legat about everything, the serial number could WORK but not be legit. If it is a serial that was passed around, it might work for this copy, but Roxio could negate the serial come an update or whatnot and suddenly the software stops working, or he's even flagged as having a pirate copy by some "call home" script.
 
NYJetsFan said:
I wouldn't worry as long as it's an original disc, and the registration key works.
If you are worried, you could always call roxio to verify.
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There are several reasons why an original disk could be violation of copyright (Roxio initiated the complaint with eBay -- only the copyright owner can make a VERO complaint)

The most popular scam is to take an original disk that was sold/intended for another purpose and selling it as retail: examples:
Education only software
Disks that go with volume license / site license plans
Upgrade disks
Not for resale or dealer demo disks
Bundled or "OEM" software

In each of these cases the software company has provided the software at a greatly reduced price from retail, with definite restrictions on how it can be used / sold, and it is usually forbidden to resell.

Example: Site licenses are sold on contract for X number of 'seats' at one location like a company or university. The license is not valid for any user outside that company/university's walls. The buyer does not get 250 boxes of software, they get a contract and one copy of the software CDs. Then, if they need install software CDs, they order CD sets without serials at $15 each, give or take.

OK, so an illegitimate seller gets ahold of 30 or 40 of these install CDs at $15 each, which are 'original' CDs but NOT licenses to use. Then he prints up labels with a single good serial number and sticks this serial on each of the install disks. Voila: 40 "Original" software packages he can make 400% profit on. Same deal on OEM software which is sold at a steep discount to drive builders to bundle with their hardware. Its not intended for separate sale.

One tip-off can be if the seller purports to be selling a retail version, but says "CD and serial only, manuals on CD" or "Packaging removed to reduce shipping cost" -- when of course they never had the package int he 1st place.

This may or may not be the reason Roxio filed a copyright violation against the seller. But compare what you got - a vinyl sleeve with a disk in it, with the photo of the box and its graphics on the Roxio site.
http://www.roxio.com/en/products/toast7/index.jhtml

Of course the seller will say "try it and see if it works" 'cause it WILL work. If it is one of these cases, you just don't have a legal license to use it, and you won't ge support or upgrades.
 
CanadaRAM said:
There are several reasons why an original disk could be violation of copyright (Roxio initiated the complaint with eBay -- only the copyright owner can make a VERO complaint)

The most popular scam is to take an original disk that was sold/intended for another purpose and selling it as retail: examples:
Education only software
Disks that go with volume license / site license plans
Upgrade disks
Not for resale or dealer demo disks
Bundled or "OEM" software

In each of these cases the software company has provided the software at a greatly reduced price from retail, with definite restrictions on how it can be used / sold, and it is usually forbidden to resell.

Example: Site licenses are sold on contract for X number of 'seats' at one location like a company or university. The license is not valid for any user outside that company/university's walls. The buyer does not get 250 boxes of software, they get a contract and one copy of the software CDs. Then, if they need install software CDs, they order CD sets without serials at $15 each, give or take.

OK, so an illegitimate seller gets ahold of 30 or 40 of these install CDs at $15 each, which are 'original' CDs but NOT licenses to use. Then he prints up labels with a single good serial number and sticks this serial on each of the install disks. Voila: 40 "Original" software packages he can make 400% profit on. Same deal on OEM software which is sold at a steep discount to drive builders to bundle with their hardware. Its not intended for separate sale.

One tip-off can be if the seller purports to be selling a retail version, but says "CD and serial only, manuals on CD" or "Packaging removed to reduce shipping cost" -- when of course they never had the package int he 1st place.

This may or may not be the reason Roxio filed a copyright violation against the seller. But compare what you got - a vinyl sleeve with a disk in it, with the photo of the box and its graphics on the Roxio site.
http://www.roxio.com/en/products/toast7/index.jhtml

Of course the seller will say "try it and see if it works" 'cause it WILL work. If it is one of these cases, you just don't have a legal license to use it, and you won't ge support or upgrades.
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Thanks for the reply, man.

I was just telling my friend earlier that I thought it may have been a disc that came bundled with a CDRW drive or something.

What can I do now that I've registered it and everything? The seller said that if I sent it back, I would get a full refund, but now that I've already registered it, I don't know what to do. Hmm.

EDIT: Well, I contacted someone at Roxio today and she said that since the registration went through and everything, it was a legit CD Key. She said that I could avoid this kind of thing in the future, though, by buying directly from their website. If I had known they had it available for download on their website, I would have just downloaded it from them. The only reason I bought it on eBay to start with is because Amazon wouldn't ship to a P.O. Box.
 
It might have been something they installed and didn't register, and just made a copy of. Or OEM, that happens too. I've sold software on eBay, stuff I got as extras or when I won iWork at Night of the Tiger (already owned it, so I didn't need it). But I always make sure it's sealed. Roxio has given you the go ahead though, so I wouldn't worry about it unless it stops working. Then you'd have to call them, explain the situation again, and they'll probably make you pay for a new license. Worst that happens is you're out a few bucks.
 
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