Is true the iPhone consume data plan all the time?

[mamcx]

Some rep tell me that the iPhone consume data plan from the same moment it get on. And consume data plan if is in sleep.

I don't think this is true, but I need to confirm because some customer are afraid to get iPhone and are getting recommendation of get a BlackBerry because this.

 

[Le Big Mac]

If you set it up for push notifications it will consume a small amount of data on regular intervals.

In the US, the plans are unlimited data. If you have a limited-data plan, you can always put the phone in airplane mode or turn off notifications to limit data use.

 

[optophobia]

I heard it also consume data plan when you turn off too.

The only way to prevent it from consume data plan is to put it inside a hot pocket wrapper. The magnetic shield used to cook the hot pockets are also dataproof. James Bond uses these when he is trying to be undetected from data plan intelligence spies

 

[mamcx]

If you have a limited-data plan, you can always put the phone in airplane mode or turn off notifications to limit data use.

Is in limited data-plan. ANd turn on airplane mode will not work because the user are salesman and need to make & get phone calls.

If I understand right, turn off notification is enough? So, only if the user surf, check email or a app request net connection data plan is used?

 

[chrisperro]

yes the iphone consume data even without opening an app,is really a small amount but if you Pay As You Go it will eat up your minutes/data really quick, But if you have 500 mb (here in canada is the minimun data plan) you wont see the difference.
If you jailbroken is an app to block all data and only received calls but if you not, turning off notifications is Not enough.

 

[gigapocket1]

It's not like you are getting charged for the data... You have an unlimited plan. Plus it's only a small amount of data such as checking to see if you have any push notification or email on an interval time. No big deal. Nothing to worry about..

The blackberry also has a constant data connection. How do you think it receives emails even when the phone is sleep..

 

[Nicksd84]

And turn off automatic fetch intervals for email. Also there's usage statisitics on your phone which shows how much data your phone has used. You can reset this every month to correspond with your billing intervals.

 

[Hmac]

It's not like you are getting charged for the data... You have an unlimited plan. Plus it's only a small amount of data such as checking to see if you have any push notification or email on an interval time. No big deal. Nothing to worry about..

The blackberry also has a constant data connection. How do you think it receives emails even when the phone is sleep..

He said he has a limited data plan.

But you're right, Blackberry is the same, as is any device that does push email. It's as simple as turning off push, or setting the interval to 2-3 times/day, or setting it to get email only when you ask it too. Just like every other smart phone out there.

 

[mamcx]

This start to become very wrong.

The customer have a 10 MB/month plan. Forget about unlimited. 10 *MB*. And with his HTC get mail, surf web and stuff like that.

I have a POS for the iPhone (www.bestsellerapp.com) for sale in a few months, and I made a past version for windows mobile. With that HTC make syncronization of his customer, inventory, products, invoices, etc... under that data plan (this only customer have 12,000 products & 5,000 customers to sync).

If not exist a way to limit data usage to 10/MB or very close to that, is a lost sale. The worst? Is one of my main customers and if I lost the sale with iPhone I will need to support the windows mobile version forever ....

P.D. To understan way is this so sensitive to cost of the data plan, he have several dozen of salesman, so his month/bill will become higger than he want to pay.

 

[Applejuiced]

I heard it also consume data plan when you turn off too.

The only way to prevent it from consume data plan is to put it inside a hot pocket wrapper. The magnetic shield used to cook the hot pockets are also dataproof. James Bond uses these when he is trying to be undetected from data plan intelligence spies

Yes, and 3 minutes in the microwave will come out nice and toasty

 

[ViViDboarder]

This start to become very wrong.

The customer have a 10 MB/month plan. Forget about unlimited. 10 *MB*. And with his HTC get mail, surf web and stuff like that.

I have a POS for the iPhone (www.bestsellerapp.com) for sale in a few months, and I made a past version for windows mobile. With that HTC make syncronization of his customer, inventory, products, invoices, etc... under that data plan (this only customer have 12,000 products & 5,000 customers to sync).

If not exist a way to limit data usage to 10/MB or very close to that, is a lost sale. The worst? Is one of my main customers and if I lost the sale with iPhone I will need to support the windows mobile version forever ....

P.D. To understan way is this so sensitive to cost of the data plan, he have several dozen of salesman, so his month/bill will become higger than he want to pay.

Most apps will use data, so as mentioned if you don't use apps that access data and you disable fetching of email and set it to manual and turn off notifications, I think you'll be ok.

Also, if the phone is jailbroken you can disable data usage entirely. You can turn off Edge and 3G with SBSettings so that you can't accidentally use data but you can still make calls and use Wifi.

 

[Le Big Mac]

This start to become very wrong.

The customer have a 10 MB/month plan. Forget about unlimited. 10 *MB*. And with his HTC get mail, surf web and stuff like that.

I have a POS for the iPhone (www.bestsellerapp.com) for sale in a few months, and I made a past version for windows mobile. With that HTC make syncronization of his customer, inventory, products, invoices, etc... under that data plan (this only customer have 12,000 products & 5,000 customers to sync).

If not exist a way to limit data usage to 10/MB or very close to that, is a lost sale. The worst? Is one of my main customers and if I lost the sale with iPhone I will need to support the windows mobile version forever ....

P.D. To understan way is this so sensitive to cost of the data plan, he have several dozen of salesman, so his month/bill will become higger than he want to pay.

It seems like your client/customer has contradictory demands. If he wants to sync large amounts of data he's going to have to pay for it.

What about having him use an iPod Touch and setting up a wireless network at his business? then the data is unlimited (if his internet access is unlimited). Actually, he could do this with iPhones too, because they could hook into the network.

 

[mamcx]

If he wants to sync large amounts of data he's going to have to pay for it.

The problem is that the same data he need to sync fit in 10 MB/month in HTC devices, so he expect the same withy the new iPhones.

I have a very compact method to sync, so 15,000 products / 5,000 customers despite sound large, it sync very compressed in binary format.

The majority if my actual customers use iPod Touchs, but he want use the iPhone because is 1 device to carry for the salesman.

 

[Dr Kevorkian94]

Wow no offense but this thread starter HAS THE WORST SENTENCES EVER

 

[UngratefulNinja]

Wow no offense but this thread starter HAS THE WORST SENTENCES EVER

Really. Because looking at your last post I'd say not. Esp considering he's english as a second language (I'm guessing, based on his sig)

 

[kdarling]

The blackberry also has a constant data connection. How do you think it receives emails even when the phone is sleep..

But you're right, Blackberry is the same, as is any device that does push email.

Every other device with push email does have to keep a connection open by constantly using it...

... EXCEPT the Blackberry.

RIM paid a half billion dollars for a patent to get around the need to keep the connection open.

The primary reason for keeping a connection open is so that the server can reach the device via its temporary IP address.

However, the Blackberry registers itself by device PIN to a NOC (Network Operating Center) in a carrier's system. This uniquely identifies the device and it can always be reached by a true push message.

This is partly why a Blackberry uses far less data and battery than other phones.

 

[mamcx]

this thread starter HAS THE WORST SENTENCES EVER

I know. Is amazing that people still reply & give me answer after all .

English is something I learn by mistake & error, and get a brain damage doing tech support to people with null idea of it. In spanish, a word is read as is write, so "computador" sound "computador". If I try to spell a english word correctly, several of my past end-user can't get it. So I need to read english as reading spanish. That is a start of the problem....

 

[ViViDboarder]

Every other device with push email does have to keep a connection open by constantly using it...

... EXCEPT the Blackberry.

RIM paid a half billion dollars for a patent to get around the need to keep the connection open.

The primary reason for keeping a connection open is so that the server can reach the device via its temporary IP address.

However, the Blackberry registers itself by device PIN to a NOC (Network Operating Center) in a carrier's system. This uniquely identifies the device and it can always be reached by a true push message.

This is partly why a Blackberry uses far less data and battery than other phones.

Very interesting. Thanks. I didn't know much about how Blackberry did it. I was just always shocked that my GF's Curve could last days without charging despite getting all her emails, texts and BBMs pushed to it!

I know. Is amazing that people still reply & give me answer after all .

English is something I learn by mistake & error, and get a brain damage doing tech support to people with null idea of it. In spanish, a word is read as is write, so "computador" sound "computador". If I try to spell a english word correctly, several of my past end-user can't get it. So I need to read english as reading spanish. That is a start of the problem....

You're doing pretty good considering. I'd do pretty bad in Spanish and I'm sure that other guy would be un-readable!

 

[scaredpoet]

The problem is that the same data he need to sync fit in 10 MB/month in HTC devices, so he expect the same withy the new iPhones.

HTC as in Windows Mobile? For one thing, they are two different devices. If he's used to older smartphones, then the iPhone and even current Android devices are nothing like what he's used to. They are app centric, and those apps use data. That's just the way it is.

He can probably reduce his usage if he sets up WiFi at home and at work, and has his iPhone connect to those networks whenever possible. His iPhone will not use data from his plan if he's on WiFi. I do this, but even then my monthly data usage is over 400MB on my slowest month. I do travel a lot, though.

However, the Blackberry registers itself by device PIN to a NOC (Network Operating Center) in a carrier's system. This uniquely identifies the device and it can always be reached by a true push message.

This is partly why a Blackberry uses far less data and battery than other phones.

No, this is not correct. Aside from the technical flaw in your argument which would be tl;dr to address, The push method has little to do with the Blackberry's data usage pattern as much as it's the use of heavy compression and reformatting by RIM's proxies. E-mail, being mostly text, compresses quite well, and so RIM's backend will compress that data before sending it out. Additionally, the web browser used by most Blackberries (except for the Storm) relies on that same server to reduce image sizes, reformat pages, and again, compress heavily.

The iPhone and other smartphones connect directly to mail and web servers, and so there's no intermediary to squeeze down the data consumption as much as possible.

The drawbacks to this of course, are well known:

- The web browser on most Blackberries to date gives a sub-par web experience, though most Blackberry users, it's accepted, are using their phones for e-mail more than anything else.

- The backend, while RIM's strangpoint, is also its Achilles' heel. When RIM's backend goes offline, EVERY Blackberry user suffers, across multiple wireless carriers.

 

[kdarling]

No, this is not correct. Aside from the technical flaw in your argument which would be tl;dr to address,

I develop closed enterprise apps on Blackberrys every day, and have to deal with device -> NOC -> BES issues.

If you think my knowledge is flawed, please detail why.

The push method has little to do with the Blackberry's data usage pattern as much as it's the use of heavy compression and reformatting by RIM's proxies.

Yes, I've posted extensive detail in other threads about RIM compression.

That's why I used the word "partly" to describe why not having to do constant server pings helps lower the data and battery usage... however, it's an important difference between RIM and other devices.

 

[scaredpoet]

I develop closed enterprise apps on Blackberrys every day, and have to deal with device -> NOC -> BES issues.

Your description was still inaccurate, and I've explained what does cause the reduced overall data usage on a Blackberry.

I work in network architecture including deployment of BES, but that doesn't make me the authoritative expert on closed enterprise app development. The inverse is also true, so let's just leave it at that and we can avoid the public arguments and thread derailments you like so much.

 

[TheSpaz]

yes the iphone consume data even without opening an app,is really a small amount but if you Pay As You Go it will eat up your minutes/data really quick, But if you have 500 mb (here in canada is the minimun data plan) you wont see the difference.
If you jailbroken is an app to block all data and only received calls but if you not, turning off notifications is Not enough.

I can verify this. I have Pay-as-you-go and before I asked AT&T to block my data completely, I would get charged little by little without even using my iPhone. I didn't have fetch or push mail on either.

Most apps will use data, so as mentioned if you don't use apps that access data and you disable fetching of email and set it to manual and turn off notifications, I think you'll be ok.

Not true. The iPhone will use data regardless of what you're doing (or not doing). I had my iPhone just sitting there and I would be getting charged while I was not even using it. It was frustrating.

 

[jayenh]

you should have just edited the APN while you waited for data to be cancelled. i did this while waiting for the opposite. i had a payg iphone with my contract sim in and it was a week before unlimited data was activated on my sim. i just changed the APN address so that it couldn't get out to the internet. job done, no random data charges.

besides, this isn't about using no data, its about using less than 10MB, so i think ViViDboarder's post is valid. so long as they don't use the internet heavily or download apps and email attachments over the cellular network i think they should be ok.

 

[TheSpaz]

you should have just edited the APN while you waited for data to be cancelled. i did this while waiting for the opposite. i had a payg iphone with my contract sim in and it was a week before unlimited data was activated on my sim. i just changed the APN address so that it couldn't get out to the internet. job done, no random data charges.

besides, this isn't about using no data, its about using less than 10MB, so i think ViViDboarder's post is valid. so long as they don't use the internet heavily or download apps and email attachments over the cellular network i think they should be ok.

10MB is almost nothing if you think about it. Might as well just remove data. Load a few maps and download a couple attachments and your data is full.

 

[jayenh]

10MB is almost nothing if you think about it. Might as well just remove data. Load a few maps and download a couple attachments and your data is full.

i did think about it, and the average email (company email, not those amazon etc special offer emails covered in images) is probably about 10KB. 10MB would allow for a lot of emails if you use the data purely for this.