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Every Mac Pro in stock at either the Apple Store or various retailers i've gone to only stock it with a 256GB harddrive option. Everything else has to be ordered.

It just strikes me as strange that anyone would buy a system like this with only 256GB. Doesnt it seem very very low for such an expensive and "high end" desktop?

Its frustrating because I want to get a medium spec machine at a store, but its impossible to find

Are you guys just specing it up when you order, or are you getting the 256GB version and then upgrading the drive later?

Thanks!
 
Every Mac Pro in stock at either the Apple Store or various retailers i've gone to only stock it with a 256GB harddrive option. Everything else has to be ordered.

It just strikes me as strange that anyone would buy a system like this with only 256GB. Doesnt it seem very very low for such an expensive and "high end" desktop?

Its frustrating because I want to get a medium spec machine at a store, but its impossible to find

Are you guys just specing it up when you order, or are you getting the 256GB version and then upgrading the drive later?

Thanks!
These days, there’s nothing that isn’t pathetic about the Mac Pro. It’s a 5 year old computer Apple is still selling at full price. If you must get one, check for a refurbished model that’ll meet your needs, but don’t pay full price at Apple.
 
Every Mac Pro in stock at either the Apple Store or various retailers i've gone to only stock it with a 256GB harddrive option. Everything else has to be ordered.

It just strikes me as strange that anyone would buy a system like this with only 256GB. Doesnt it seem very very low for such an expensive and "high end" desktop?

Its frustrating because I want to get a medium spec machine at a store, but its impossible to find

Are you guys just specing it up when you order, or are you getting the 256GB version and then upgrading the drive later?

Thanks!
Back in 2013 when released, 256GB of PCIe storage was kinda OK. These models are supposed to be supplemented with external storage via TB2.

Search your local craigslist for better pricing. There are at least 3 near me that are asking anywhere from $1000 - $1500.

Do NOT pay full retail for a 5 year old computer.
 
Thanks for the heads up guys. Ive never thought of purchasing a refurbished computer before, only because I like to buy a computer and keep it for an average of 5-6 years so refurb in my mind is a used computer prone to breaking. Maybee old man thinking there, but you guys think refurb is still good quality?

Looks like its better to hold out for the new Mac Pro?
 
Thanks for the heads up guys. Ive never thought of purchasing a refurbished computer before, only because I like to buy a computer and keep it for an average of 5-6 years so refurb in my mind is a used computer prone to breaking. Maybee old man thinking there, but you guys think refurb is still good quality?

Looks like its better to hold out for the new Mac Pro?
If you can wait 6 - 12 months for the new Mac Pro, absolutely do so. At the very least, it will drive down the prices of used 2013 models.

BTW, if you wanted to go that route, Apple refurb is basically like buying new. Same warranty and available Apple Care. But still, you'd be paying around $2500 base spec (refurbished) for technology from 2013.
 
Every Mac Pro in stock at either the Apple Store or various retailers i've gone to only stock it with a 256GB harddrive option. Everything else has to be ordered.

It just strikes me as strange that anyone would buy a system like this with only 256GB. Doesnt it seem very very low for such an expensive and "high end" desktop?

1. as another response said these configurations have to be viewed through a 2013-2014 lens. Those were decent sized SSD for the era.

2. B&H has a few 1TB models in stock.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Mac-Pro/ci/12517/N/4110474297?sts=cat

... but yes every 512GB configuration is "special order" at point.

The reason question that would get at the issue though is probably "who is ordering brand new Mac Pro 2013 models". If the answer to that is very few folks then that explains why there are no 'pre-deployed' BTO models at retailers at this point. The two fixed standard configurations that Apple sells are 256GB. I highly doubt Apple is trying to pre-build non standard configurations at this point. Personally, I'd wouldn't be surprised if there were really buiding any new Mac Pros at this point at all. Seems more likely they probably have some semi finished models somewhere warehoused and parts to snap them together of some very limited, low capacity line.

At that point they just basically only refill what folks buy whether that be a small set of pre-deployed standard config models or BTO orders that flow in. B&H is probably a big enough sales consolidator that they see a reasonable stream of folks ordering the 1TB models so happen to have a low stock of those.
You don't want to just pick "some retailer". You'll need to find retailer(s) who are probably selling more Mac Pro that most other retailers who aren't Apple. Folks moving product will/may have some. Folks not moving product won't.

At this point in the Mac Pro product cycle lifetime, it is like a game of music chairs for the retailers . (where the customers are disappear like the chairs do). They don't want to be caught with Mac Pro inventory on their books. If get to point most orders are done completely just-in-time on demand.... don't have any inventory.



Its frustrating because I want to get a medium spec machine at a store, but its impossible to find

1TB is probably more useful for working with larger media. 512GB is kind of in the "1 TB is too expensive" zone.


Are you guys just specing it up when you order, or are you getting the 256GB version and then upgrading the drive later?

There is some quirky things where the old original era SSDs are actually more expensive than some of the newer NVMe models ( presumably because the many years old SSD controllers can't handle the modern NAND types like TLC/QLC ).

https://store.mcetech.com/mm/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=PCIESSD-MP13

the 1TB NVMe model is about $300 cheaper than the 2013 era 1TB model.

Throw on top Apple's outside SSD mark up ( even on current SSDss ) and it is worse. There are fewer upgrade hiccups though with the Apple labeled original equipment though.
 
so refurb in my mind is a used computer prone to breaking. Maybee old man thinking there, but you guys think refurb is still good quality?
Apple's refurbished is not like everyone else's refurbished.

In many ways, Apple's refurbished is better and potentially more reliable than buying new from Apple.

Apple has a very extensive refurbishing process and the HW's components goes through testing that new devices don't.

Apple's refurbished products have the same warranty as new products, and still quality for Apple Care.

Now, if you see an eBay listing that say "Refurbished", you never know what that might mean. At least in the US, there is no legal standard for the term "refurbished" and in the eyes' of the seller, that could mean a boot drive wipe and a wipe down with a damp cloth.

At least Apple is clear about what they do to make it a certified refurbished product.

Given the choice between new and refurbished, as long as I could find the configuration I was looking for, I would always choose Apple's refurbished over new.
[doublepost=1546059290][/doublepost]Also, I have a 12 year old Apple Refurbished Mac Pro that I purchased. It gets used everyday, and is still going strong.
 
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Interesting stuff guys. Learning a lot...

With all said, what do you think of this one:
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/...0525d72fa1660f2d797ca3623c766d04032c23b7b3f6c

Not sure if it's from the original 2013 lineup or later but do you think it's atleast a somewhat decent buy? Specs wise it seems to be middle of the road and I've had great experience with Xeon e5 processors on servers in the past, but what do you guys think of the price and how it stacks up to a new machine?
 
A question for the OP, what will you be using the Mac Pro for?

A 6 core Mac Mini with an eGPU might be much cheaper than getting an outdated 2013 MP.
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Interesting stuff guys. Learning a lot...

With all said, what do you think of this one:
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/...0525d72fa1660f2d797ca3623c766d04032c23b7b3f6c

Not sure if it's from the original 2013 lineup or later but do you think it's atleast a somewhat decent buy? Specs wise it seems to be middle of the road and I've had great experience with Xeon e5 processors on servers in the past, but what do you guys think of the price and how it stacks up to a new machine?
I think it is overpriced for what you are getting. At least the cheese grater Mac Pros could be easily upgraded. The 2013 would be a bad buy in my mind.

But, if I was going to buy one, I would choose Apple's refurbished over full retail.
 
Apple is selling other 2018 Macs with only 128GB so you should feel special that the standard is 256GB.

If you can afford it then the BTO is the most solid solution.
 
A question for the OP, what will you be using the Mac Pro for?

A 6 core Mac Mini with an eGPU might be much cheaper than getting an outdated 2013 MP.
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I think it is overpriced for what you are getting. At least the cheese grater Mac Pros could be easily upgraded. The 2013 would be a bad buy in my mind.

But, if I was going to buy one, I would choose Apple's refurbished over full retail.

It's going to be a general purpose desktop. Everything you could think of. A mix of photoshop, video editing, gaming. For the level I use the system, most random computers are just fine. In fact I've been using a 2012 MacBook Pro perfectly fine and it's still going strong.

It's mostly the gaming aspect that keeps me from getting a Mac mini. Also I had a Mac mini in 2011 and it died on me after 6 months so I got ptsd. Having the system die on me is the one thing I cannot accept which is why I want to go with the most solid solution, even if it means overpaying with the Apple tax.

I've had 3 MacBook airs and pros and they have all been totally rock solid so that's what has me looking at the pro. I still don't think the Mac mini could support the gaming aspect, but not sure.
 
Apple is selling other 2018 Macs with only 128GB so you should feel special that the standard is 256GB.
True, but you are not spending $3K+ on a 2018 Mac Mini with 128GB storage.
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It's going to be a general purpose desktop. Everything you could think of. A mix of photoshop, video editing, gaming. For the level I use the system, most random computers are just fine. In fact I've been using a 2012 MacBook Pro perfectly fine and it's still going strong.

It's mostly the gaming aspect that keeps me from getting a Mac mini. Also I had a Mac mini in 2011 and it died on me after 6 months so I got ptsd. Having the system die on me is the one thing I cannot accept which is why I want to go with the most solid solution, even if it means overpaying with the Apple tax.

I've had 3 MacBook airs and pros and they have all been totally rock solid so that's what has me looking at the pro. I still don't think the Mac mini could support the gaming aspect, but not sure.

What died on the 2011 MM?

A lot of people are getting 2018 6-core MM with external GPUs.

CPU bench marks show the 6-core MM to similar to the 8-core 2013 MP, but the MP costs 3-4 times as much new.

The MM will most likely be supported by Apple longer in the future than the MP.

I would look into the MM, or look for a much cheaper used MP. It doesn't make sense to buy a new 2013 MP for the prices Apple is charging.
 
It's going to be a general purpose desktop. Everything you could think of. A mix of photoshop, video editing, gaming. For the level I use the system, most random computers are just fine. In fact I've been using a 2012 MacBook Pro perfectly fine and it's still going strong.

It's mostly the gaming aspect that keeps me from getting a Mac mini. Also I had a Mac mini in 2011 and it died on me after 6 months so I got ptsd. Having the system die on me is the one thing I cannot accept which is why I want to go with the most solid solution, even if it means overpaying with the Apple tax.

I've had 3 MacBook airs and pros and they have all been totally rock solid so that's what has me looking at the pro. I still don't think the Mac mini could support the gaming aspect, but not sure.
A Mac Pro for this use is a big waste of money. An iMac will be a better performer; the Mac Pro isn’t a good gaming computer either.
 
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