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Soni Sanjay

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I've seen that lots of people are confused regarding the matching and cloud functionality of Apple Music vs the regular iTunes Match service. Here's a simple explanation to define the differences between those services.

There are several ways to get music from Apple.

1.- Directly buying from the iTunes Store.
2.- Matching songs you already own, deleting them, and downloading fresh AAC copies from the store.
3.- Subscribing to Apple Music.

In all 3 cases, you receive the exact same AAC 256 file.

Now, in order to understand why Apple Music does not replace iTunes Match 100%, you need to understand this.

1.- If you buy songs from the store, those are yours forever, plus they will forever be in the cloud. You can download them multiple times, delete them, modify them, etc. The stuff everyone already knows.

2.- With iTunes Match, you are paying Apple $25 for them to rent you a space in the cloud for a year, AND (as the name says and most people forget about) you are paying Apple to match your songs to what they already have on the iTunes Store and only upload what's not in there, by doing that, you can delete your original copies and actually download a fresh high-quality copy from the store itself.

Here's the most important part... Some people do not care about this functionality, they only care about renting a space in the cloud. But some other people use this to upgrade their whole library and delete their original low-quality copies, and the cloud stuff as an added bonus.

Of course, to receive a fresh copy from the store, you need to own a copy of the song somehow (either legally or illegally, that's another story) but you need to somehow own a copy of the song to match it, that's the most important thing about Match (duh).

However, if you do not renew your subscription, your matched and locally downloaded songs will remain with you forever, free of DRM, of course, you will lose the cloud functionality, that's the big advantage of actually buying the songs, but the actual downloaded copies will remain in your library forever.

3.- Apple Music does offer cloud functionality, matches your songs and uploads the rest, but... It doesn't give you DRM-free files, it gives you .m4p files, so your matched music won't remain with you forever, and even if you keep paying for Apple Music they are only protected AAC files, not regular AAC files, plus, iTunes Match matches songs from the iTunes Store, Apple Music matches from the Apple Music catalog only, so if you upload some songs of The Beatles, they won't get matched, they will get uploaded, as The Beatles are not in Apple Music's catalog, but they are in the regular iTunes Store.

So, if you are still reading this, the point is... If you just care for iTunes Match solely for the cloud capabilities, you can ditch it right now, as long as you pay for Apple Music your music will be in the cloud. However, if you actually want to keep your files forever, and upgrade the files you already own (either legally or illegally, again, that's another story) you should keep iTunes Match as it complements Apple Music.

Plus, if you try to add a song from Apple Music to Your Music... If you bought the song from the iTunes Store OR if you matched it with iTunes Match, Apple Music won't allow it, it will recognize that you already own that song, that it is already in your library, so if you decide to download it for off-line listening, it won't give you an AAC protected file, it will give you a regular DRM-free file. That's the big difference between Apple Music cloud service and iTunes Match, but the cloud is the same, it just got renamed, iTunes Match is an extra, optional feature, they are not separate clouds, only one. Hence the "iTunes Match complements Apple Music" sentence.

Last thing... If you have Apple Music + Match, and you add an album or a track from Apple Music to Your Music, let's say... "Uptown Funk" and later on you decide to buy the song elsewhere, or somehow you got a copy of the song, and you upload it, it won't allow you to do it. It will detect that you already have the song and won't match it... So you are stuck with the DRM-file...

To avoid this, you need to delete the song from your music, (also deleting the offline copy if you downloaded it) and then add the copy you've got, and THEN upload it to the cloud, that way it will recognize it as a song you don't have in your music and finally it will let you download a DRM-free copy.

That way, when you go to the album or track in Apple Music, it won't let add it to Your Music, there won't even be an option to do so, as it recognizes that you already own the song... So to have a DRM-free copy you must delete the Apple Music copy first, it is not automatically done... It's a complete mess.
 
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KALLT

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Thanks for this very clear post. Good that I made a backup of my entire library before. It is really unfortunate that Apple creates this mess now. It means that I won't be able to get rid of my local copies under these circumstances and iTunes seems to prefer playing my bad quality copies over high-quality streaming, unless I delete the local copies. It's also sad that Apple offers no information on this at all and that I have to look elsewhere. Damn it, Apple.
 

Sym0

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One thing to note, you never own any of the music from Apple, read the T&C. When you die, they are surrendered back to Apple. I believe Bruce Willis sued Apple over this because he was unable to leave his purchases to his kids, of course he can give them a copy on the hard drive but if lost they could never gain access to them from Apple again.
 

Crazy Badger

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This is a great explanation, thanks!

I used iTunes Match when it was first launched, but cancelled after the first year as I'd hit into their 25,000 limit. I had matched, deleted and downloaded new (typically higher bitrate) files.

It looks like Apple are going to be increasing the limit to 100,000, although with Apple Music I'm not sure I'll need iTunes Match as most of the music I've downloaded or ripped since have been at a higher quality anyway.
 

KALLT

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One thing to note, you never own any of the music from Apple, read the T&C. When you die, they are surrendered back to Apple. I believe Bruce Willis sued Apple over this because he was unable to leave his purchases to his kids, of course he can give them a copy on the hard drive but if lost they could never gain access to them from Apple again.

Technically, you never actually own the music you buy, it is always a licence. Even a music CD is a licence, although copyright law does not allow rightsholders to prevent you from selling your CDs to someone else or charging extra for it, as you correctly said.
 

schlaufox

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Jun 18, 2013
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So perhaps this can be summarised a little more neatly:

The only additional benefit of iTunes Match over Apple Music alone seems to be the ability to download DRM-free music tracks from the iTunes Store, to keep forever, of music that has been matched from your existing library, be it legally or illegally acquired in the first place.
 

cornycopier

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So perhaps this can be summarised a little more neatly:

The only additional benefit of iTunes Match over Apple Music alone seems to be the ability to download DRM-free music tracks from the iTunes Store, to keep forever, of music that has been matched from your existing library, be it legally or illegally acquired in the first place.

This...

And to add:

Apple Music: CANNOT sync songs added to library to an iPod (for, say, working out - I use a Shuffle)
iTunes Match: CAN sync matched/downloaded songs to an iPod
Apple Music + iTunes Match: CAN sync songs matched/downloaded to an iPod

Tested this shortly after launch.

That is all.
 

ErikGrim

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Jun 20, 2003
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This...

And to add:

Apple Music: CANNOT sync songs added to library to an iPod (for, say, working out - I use a Shuffle)
iTunes Match: CAN sync matched/downloaded songs to an iPod
Apple Music + iTunes Match: CAN sync songs matched/downloaded to an iPod

Tested this shortly after launch.

That is all.
Good to know. Also relevant to me once they up the limit to 100K.
 

Jib21

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Jul 1, 2015
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This...

And to add:

Apple Music: CANNOT sync songs added to library to an iPod (for, say, working out - I use a Shuffle)
iTunes Match: CAN sync matched/downloaded songs to an iPod
Apple Music + iTunes Match: CAN sync songs matched/downloaded to an iPod

Tested this shortly after launch.

That is all.

So...I'm a Match and AM subscriber...

When I try to sync a song I pulled down from AM onto my iPod I get a message saying that AM songs can't copied to an iPod as per this thread https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/sync-apple-music-songs-to-ipod-touch.1896733/#post-21533400

Am I doing something wrong or is what's happening to me the way it's supposed to be?
 

Scarpad

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Well I'm not sure about that, here's my scenario.

I originally ripped all my Music to 320 bit rate files, had ITunes match for about 2 years , then ditched it. I have since blasted those files and been reripping my library in apple lossless. I'm only about a quarter thru that at the moment. Now I've got this Apple music sub, all my previous ITunes match music shows in my list whether I merge or replace, along with the music that is physically on my phone, but I can only play the stuff on the phone, when I select the previously ITunes matched songs, they do not play.

Any how does it match your tunes if you do not subscribe to ITunes match? I don't see it doing this in my library, and the only option that alludes to matching is still ITunes match that is turned off in ITunes uless I resubscribe for a year. So what is going on here ?
 

petvas

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Streaming services for music do not interest me at all, but it's just me. I do not listen to music very often and when I do, I listen to the same artists all the time and do not even want to find sth new. I pay for iTunes Match to keep my devices up to date, but that's it. Apple Music is certainly good for people that want to discover music all the time. For them it's probably worth the 10$ per month (as Spotify is).
 
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zhenya

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I could be wrong but I'm sure you can do that with Apple Music.

I can't see how it could be given the legal hurdles of streaming. Say you own a Beatles album, which is not licensed for streaming? Without Match, under what license are they streaming it to you? Match gets around this by uploading 'your' content into the cloud and then streaming it to you. That's the whole point of Match, that the license to stream it to you is given by the fact that you own it. I'm fairly sure this is what Apple means when they say that Apple Music and Match are 'separate but complementary.'
 

StevenB14

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May 23, 2012
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I can't see how it could be given the legal hurdles of streaming. Say you own a Beatles album, which is not licensed for streaming? Without Match, under what license are they streaming it to you? Match gets around this by uploading 'your' content into the cloud and then streaming it to you. That's the whole point of Match, that the license to stream it to you is given by the fact that you own it. I'm fairly sure this is what Apple means when they say that Apple Music and Match are 'separate but complementary.'

From Apple Music website:

Your entire library lives in iCloud when you’re an Apple Music member. First, we identify all the tracks in your personal collection and compare them to the Apple Music library to see if we have copies. If we do, we make them instantly available in iCloud across all your devices. If you have music that’s not in the Apple Music library, we upload those songs from iTunes on your Mac or PC. And because it’s all stored in iCloud, it won’t take up any space on your devices.
 

Scarpad

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From Apple Music website:

Your entire library lives in iCloud when you’re an Apple Music member. First, we identify all the tracks in your personal collection and compare them to the Apple Music library to see if we have copies. If we do, we make them instantly available in iCloud across all your devices. If you have music that’s not in the Apple Music library, we upload those songs from iTunes on your Mac or PC. And because it’s all stored in iCloud, it won’t take up any space on your devices.

Well how do they do this I downloaded the new ITunes it did not scan my library, they only option to do this is still ITunes match which is turned off unless you subscribe, as I said I can see my previously uploaded albums, but pressing play does nothing. It really seems to me that you need to still pay for ITunes match
 

zhenya

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From Apple Music website:

Your entire library lives in iCloud when you’re an Apple Music member. First, we identify all the tracks in your personal collection and compare them to the Apple Music library to see if we have copies. If we do, we make them instantly available in iCloud across all your devices. If you have music that’s not in the Apple Music library, we upload those songs from iTunes on your Mac or PC. And because it’s all stored in iCloud, it won’t take up any space on your devices.

iCloud is separate from Match. I suspect you may be able to download them from iCloud to listen on demand, but not stream them.

I don't know though - reading through some other reports, it appears that Apple may be effectively including Match in Apple Music, only leaving the stand-alone Match service for people who want to use it without subscribing to Apple Music.
 
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Scarpad

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More testing, I add an album from Apple Music that is already in my cloud music collection and it shows both and only the newly added version plays. I can delete the non playing cloud version and then add the apple music version, but I should not have to.
 

Blujelly

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Sep 2, 2012
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Just had a call from Apple in regards to this and they've assured me that Apple Music works exactly the same as iTunes Match…

So Apple music would be if you wanted to stream what they have plus your own iTunes library.

iTunes Match for it your not interested in Apple Music. Can't say I'm 100% convinced.
 
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