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MikeyTree

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I'm assuming that Jaadu's going to make an iPad version of their awesome VNC app. This could be the iPad's Killer App, allowing you to access and use everything you have on your home computer.

On the iPhone, the VNC is rather limited because the screen is so tiny. But on an iPad, it could work almost perfectly. The app could even use the iPad's full keyboard to input text onto your remote computer.

I just hope that the iPad version of the app will allow you to transfer files from your computer to your iPad, without having to send it through MobileMe or email. The iPad will apparently be able to access files on a shared server. I hope the VNC will be able to transfer a movie you want to watch, a document you need, or files you just downloaded at home, and then store it in the iPad's memory for use by its native apps.

Frankly, this excites me.
 

lordhamster

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I'm assuming that Jaadu's going to make an iPad version of their awesome VNC app. This could be the iPad's Killer App, allowing you to access and use everything you have on your home computer.

On the iPhone, the VNC is rather limited because the screen is so tiny. But on an iPad, it could work almost perfectly. The app could even use the iPad's full keyboard to input text onto your remote computer.

I just hope that the iPad version of the app will allow you to transfer files from your computer to your iPad, without having to send it through MobileMe or email. The iPad will apparently be able to access files on a shared server. I hope the VNC will be able to transfer a movie you want to watch, a document you need, or files you just downloaded at home, and then store it in the iPad's memory for use by its native apps.

Frankly, this excites me.

Good point. 95% of the things I may need quick access to on my comp could be accomplished with VNC
 

colmaclean

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This is one of my main iPad features, too.

Having used VNC on the iPhone, I know how powerful it can be. The only thing is that OS X is very fiddly when using a touch interface.
 

lilo777

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This is one of my main iPad features, too.

Having used VNC on the iPhone, I know how powerful it can be. The only thing is that OS X is very fiddly when using a touch interface.

You are right. I never used VNC on iPhone but I can hardly see it to be useful. How do you use touch interface for accessing applications that were not developed for this interface in a first place? You would obviously be much better of with netbook or even a touch-screen device with resistive screen (and stylus).
 

roland.g

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That's what I've been talking about.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/855734/

However, I already emailed the Jaadu support team yesterday and they indicated that it would not need to be redesigned to run full screen on the iPad from the current version and that using the 2X feature would not affect clarity. I don't see that. I think it will need a redesign, especially since I don't think the 2X takes it to full size, it still leaves a bit of a letterbox effect from some of the demoing we saw.

I would like to see a partial redesign to take full advantage of the real estate.
 

calderone

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I have mentioned this a few times around this forum.

I contacted the dev today. They are going to do something specific for the iPad, no details, but they seem excited.

Edit: I see roland.g was told something else. Here is what I was told:

Hi,

As iPad has same OS & wifi is enabled on it, only difference is the 9.7-inch touch screen, so current version should definitely work.

We're going to be working on something for the iPad, but we can't say more at this time. We can't wait to see how beautiful the application looks on the larger screen!
 

roland.g

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^^ Essentially what I got too, except no mention of the something else at that time.
 

r0k

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I brought this up yesterday from a different perspective. While a vnc written for the full screen would be nice, as a Mac user I think Apple should simply give us screen sharing (which is vnc based anyway).

But I must admit that if Apple leaves this out, I'd happily use an iPhone VNC program even before it gets rewritten for iPad just to be able to use my real machine from a comfortable sofa instead of seated upright at my desk.
 

Ultranote

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Jaadu is very nice.
Logmein is stunning on the iPhone. iSSH very useful too. The iPad will offer more real estate while being faster to "deploy" than a Windows laptop or netbook.
 

MikeyTree

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I have mentioned this a few times around this forum.

I contacted the dev today. They are going to do something specific for the iPad, no details, but they seem excited.
Great!

When it comes time to upgrade my MBP, I may buy a 17" MBP or a 27" iMac, and buy a lower-end iPad to use when I need to travel light.
 

gibbz

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I have mentioned this a few times around this forum.

I contacted the dev today. They are going to do something specific for the iPad, no details, but they seem excited.

Edit: I see roland.g was told something else. Here is what I was told:

This is great news!!
 

aaquib

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Hows Jaadu VNC on the iPhone? I've used a VNC app (don't remember which one) and it was painfully slow to the point where it was generally unusable. Just the idea with a fully functioning app could be breakthrough.
 

nagromme

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I hope we don’t have to pay again for iPad-native Jaadu :) It’s worth every penny, but it’d a pricey app in relative terms.

The existing app, doubled, would only be 960x640, which wastes a lot of the iPod’s screen. I’d love to have the full screen. (As for file-sharing—all the better!)

You are right. I never used VNC on iPhone but I can hardly see it to be useful. How do you use touch interface for accessing applications that were not developed for this interface in a first place? You would obviously be much better of with netbook or even a touch-screen device with resistive screen (and stylus).

Actually, Jaadu is excellent—as good as a mouse—just too small on iPhone :eek: But with pinch zooming, and 3-finger-tap to quickly view all or zoom in, the small screen is surprisingly effective.

The reason it works well is that it doesn’t use direct touch like the rest of the iPhone (although you can set it that way if you wish). That’s not precise, given the size of a finger tip. Instead, your whole phone acts as a trackpad like a laptop. You don’t touch where you want to click—in fact it doesn’t matter where you touch. Touch anywhere you want that keeps your finger out of the way of what you’re viewing.

It’s a very nice, responsive trackpad (I don’t think the speed is adjustable but I like the default, and it varies nicely with zoom level). The default “momentum” option is annoying, but I turn that off.

Clicking is just like a Mac trackpad: single tap to click, tap-drag to drag, two-finger tap for right, click, and two finger swipe up-down for scroll wheel. It’s a complete two-button scrollmouse.

Modifier keys (command, ctrl, alt/option, shift) appear at the top and can be locked on if needed, so they work with keyboard and mouse alike. (You can even Shift-click.) And in addition to the regular iPhone keyboard at the bottom, you have several others to choose from: a numpad, Fkeys, even one for media control with big arrrow keys.

For typing you have two modes: one uses the iPhone’s auto-correction (nice!) but doesn’t send the text until you submit. The other types directly and immediately on the remote system. Your choice. On the iPad, auto-correction wouldn’t be as important anyway.

You can hide and show all these controls with a 3-finger swipe up or down, and you can work in portrait (fit the full screen above the keyboard) or landscape.

So interacting is ALMOST as easy as on a real Mac. It just that the screen is small, and the connection is SLOW if you’re connecting remotely. (No avoiding that.) If you’re on the same WiFi network as the Mac, though, it’s really. I use Jaadu sitting on my desk beside the Mac like it’s a mouse sometimes—it’s that fast. (The screen view may lag a little but the mouse stays fast, when I look at the Mac’s own screen. You can turn off the screen view on the phone to save power. That’s good: VNC really burns battery!)

Also, there’s no audio.

Hows Jaadu VNC on the iPhone? I've used a VNC app (don't remember which one) and it was painfully slow to the point where it was generally unusable. Just the idea with a fully functioning app could be breakthrough.

Don’t expect miracles, I’m afraid. VNC is a super-sharp, super detailed video stream of sorts, and that’s never going to be fast without a ton of a available bandwidth. You have to learn to slow down, and then it’s useful—VERY useful in emergencies when I’m away from my Mac and I need it. But it’s never the ideal compared to having a real Mac.

In my experience:

* At home on my own WiFi it’s very fast: cursor responds instantly on the “real” Mac screen. On the iPhone screen, small actions (typing, menus) are near-instant but big ones (dragging full-screen windows, Exposé) lag maybe half a second.

* On WiFi somewhere else, it’s “OK not great”—more lag, but certainly still usable. I could get real work done that way, especially programming or writing, because those things respond fast. (The more that changes on-screen, the greater the lag. Typing means very slight changes to the image.)

* On 3G (or worse yet, Edge!) it’s REALLY slow. But I still CAN get something done, if I grit my teeth and bear it, and that’s light years better than telling a client I can’t look up his password because I’m out of the office. I even used EDGE with half a signal to get on my iMac for an urgent matter once. It was pretty awful, but it got the job done!

Note that you can speed up Jaadu a lot by setting the remote Mac/PC to a lower screen res. So I made an AppleScript in my dock that drops my iMac screen res from 1920x1200 down to 1280x800 (and also pauses Folding@Home) and then returns to normal when I quit it. I hit that first-thing when I connect, and then I have to re-connect (necessary when you change users or change res) but it’s somewhat faster.

I think with the Mac set to the iPad’s 1024x768 (or even 1280x960), in a WiFi hotspot, it would be pretty usable for some things. (And in some ways, blindingly fast to beat any notebook: the screen may react slowly, but PROCESSING tasks are still running on all those fast desktop cores!)

I made myself a life-size mock-up image of OS X running at 1024x768 on an iPad to scale. It looked great! Then I tried 1280x960, scaled down, and that was good too.
 

MikeyTree

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Thanks for the detail, nagromme.

Is there a way to transfer a file from your home computer to your iPhone using VNC? There are workarounds, like emailing it to yourself from the desktop, or if you have MobileMe, putting the file you want in your iDisc then accessing it from the iPhone.

Mostly I'm asking because I'd like to be able to grab files, movies, and songs from my home computer and watch them on my iPhone or iPad.
 

jbellanca

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No doubt this will be a great use, but I'm waiting more for RemoteTap, which for Mac's I've found to be much better than plain VNC.
 

nagromme

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Thanks for the detail, nagromme.

Is there a way to transfer a file from your home computer to your iPhone using VNC? There are workarounds, like emailing it to yourself from the desktop, or if you have MobileMe, putting the file you want in your iDisc then accessing it from the iPhone.

Mostly I'm asking because I'd like to be able to grab files, movies, and songs from my home computer and watch them on my iPhone or iPad.

The question is: transfer them into what on the iPhone? You’d need an app that can receive files. The iPod can’t. But maybe some kind of media-streaming app could?

To get stuff actually into your iPhone’s media library requires iTunes and a USB cord, I fear.

The iPad may have new file transfer options though... and OS 4.0. Who knows.

(What I do when I VNC from one Mac to another is just log into iChat on both and drag the needed files to myself.)
 

3N16MA

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I really never thought about VNC, but it will be pretty cool to use on an iPad. To me the iPad is sounding better and better everyday, I still have my gripes but they are not deal breakers for me. I completely forgot about Proswitcher since I don't use it much on my iPhone but it will be amazing on the iPad for multitasking.

Jailbreaking
Jaadu VNC
Proswitcher
Native iPad apps
Airmouse for the most amazing remote for my Mac mini media center
iWork

The iPad will see its full potential from developers and apps.
 

bobsentell

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I had to look into it before I could comment.

Given that size of the screen, I think it would be a great use of the iPad, but I don't think it would be THE killer app.

I like the idea of being able to remote access my PC. That being said, the fact the iPad is so large would keep me from having it with me all the time. I just don't know when I would have a need to use this app. Especially since I kill the PCs everytime I leave the house.
 

MikeyTree

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wait for apple to add the ipad emulation mode for the mac.
The developer kit already has one. I don't think Apple will ever sell it commercially though. For one, without a multitouch screen it would be fairly useless on a Mac. Also, what good would it do? If you have a mac, it would be better to just run native Mac programs.
 
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