jobs passing...really feeling the grief today :(

[fewlio]

I don't know why but I'm really sad and upset today thinking about how unfair it was for steve to pass before his time. Why do the great ones have to die young? I guess viewing some of his happy presentation moments on youtube doesn't help..

The same thing happened when MJ died. Took me a long time to accept it and be able to finally shed tears about it.

What do you folks do when you feel like this? And no, this is not a joke thread. Please no disrespectful comments, thanks..

 

[diazj3]

Mj?

 

[macs4nw]

Steve was fortunate enough to get a very early diagnosis of his Pancreatic cancer, a luxury which most people who develop this disease don't have. The overwhelming majority of pc patients do not find out until they exhibit symptoms, at which stage the disease is usually terminal.

A very early diagnosis, where the tumor is very small, and entirely confined to the Pancreas, allows for the most optimal chance of a post-surgery 5-yr survival rate. The great majority of diagnoses come after symptoms manifest themselves, at which time survival chances are dismal.

However Steve is reported to have said that "he didn't want to have his body violated that way", referring to the surgery that could have saved his life, and went on to postpone and delay treatments for over a year, hoping his health-conscious diet would halt progression of the disease, a gamble he took and unfortunately lost.

 

[Zerozal]

Mj?

Michael Jackson, I assume.

 

[Melrose]

Poor old MJ had a whole life of being whacked. I never really "got" Michael, and being as he was out of the industry for years anyway it wasn't really a shock or loss, at least not from my perspective.

Steve, yes. I get Steve. But, then again, I follow tech stuff and have read a lot about the tremendous influence he had on our present state of computer publishing, type rendering, and the methods we use to communicate. Haters can hate, but you don't have to dig that deep to learn how much Apple has had to do with the way things are now.

Robin Williams, also, while we're talking about famous people. I didn't like most of his stuff but he was popular and influential right up 'til he died... prematurely, as is always the case - especially with suicide.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Mj?

The exact same question occurred to me.

Steve was fortunate enough to get a very early diagnosis of his Pancreatic cancer, a luxury which most people who develop this disease don't have. The overwhelming majority of pc patients do not find out until they exhibit symptoms, at which stage the disease is usually terminal.

A very early diagnosis, where the tumor is very small, and entirely confined to the Pancreas, allows for the most optimal chance of a post-surgery 5-yr survival rate. The great majority of diagnoses come after symptoms manifest themselves, at which time survival chances are dismal.

However Steve is reported to have said that "he didn't want to have his body violated that way", referring to the surgery that could have saved his life, and went on to postpone and delay treatments for over a year, hoping his health-conscious diet would halt progression of the disease, a gamble he took and unfortunately lost.

Very good post which puts things a little in perspective.

While obviously I am an admirer of his contribution to the world of computing and technological innovation and design, - after all, I buy and greatly like some of the products designed and produced by Apple, and prowl these fora - nevertheless, I do find myself somewhat unsettled and disturbed by the cult-like adulation in which the late Mr Jobs is regarded by certain sections of the public who write about these matters.

Me, I would say that on this topic I feel some degree of distant regret, rather than the more searing emotion of raw grief. Grief is an emotion I reserve for true tragedy, and for close friends and relatives.

 

[Jessica Lares]

If you live for the past, you will never be happy with what the future will bring you.

And record labels and estates, just like those of Michael's will only continue to exploit your nostalgia with unreleased material, rehashes, and remasters.

Just like the people who are writing books on Apple during the Steve era now that he's gone.

Everything and everyone has an end and a beginning. They should be celebrated and remembered, but not thrown around in discussion as if they were here today.

There shouldn't be a "what if", only a "what did".

Do yourself a favor and stop using YouTube as a wayback machine. It will make you feel better.

 

[roadbloc]

Get over it already. You didn't even know the guy.

 

[maflynn]

I don't know why but I'm really sad and upset today thinking about how unfair it was for steve to pass before his time..

At this stage, I think its time for you to move on, his passing was years ago, you didn't know him personally. There's so much more to life then to be so upset about a person you didn't know.

 

[the8thark]

I don't know why but I'm really sad and upset today thinking about how unfair it was for steve to pass before his time. Why do the great ones have to die young? I guess viewing some of his happy presentation moments on youtube doesn't help..

The same thing happened when MJ died. Took me a long time to accept it and be able to finally shed tears about it.

What do you folks do when you feel like this? And no, this is not a joke thread. Please no disrespectful comments, thanks..

MJ was an over rated hack.
Jobs on the other hand was a visionary genius. When I say the 60 different Apple Watch combinations on the keynote I cried a little in side. Steve Jobs would not have allowed that ****. He'd have had one Apple Watch and have it be the best, just like the iPhone 1.

 

[Rogifan]

MJ was an over rated hack.
Jobs on the other hand was a visionary genius. When I say the 60 different Apple Watch combinations on the keynote I cried a little in side. Steve Jobs would not have allowed that ****. He'd have had one Apple Watch and have it be the best, just like the iPhone 1.

Except that's impossible when it comes to fashion. Do you wear the same clothes and shoes as everyone else? Of course not. Watch the video below right around the 17:00 mark. Steve talks about the importance of design and how (at the time) people owned on average 7 watches because of design.

http://youtu.be/E5dWDg6f9eo?list=UUCmyTnCbjOoWNq3bsM3BovA

Apple has hired executives with deep knowledge of and past experience in the fashion industry. I'll trust their judgement over what Steve might have done. Not everything Steve did was always right. Now if your arguing that Apple shouldn't go down the fashion route, that's a different conversation. Honestly I think there's always been a fashion element to Apple; they're just getting into it in a bigger way now.

 

[the8thark]

Except that's impossible when it comes to fashion. Do you wear the same clothes and shoes as everyone else? Of course not. Watch the video below right around the 17:00 mark. Steve talks about the importance of design and how (at the time) people owned on average 7 watches because of design.

http://youtu.be/E5dWDg6f9eo?list=UUCmyTnCbjOoWNq3bsM3BovA

Apple has hired executives with deep knowledge of and past experience in the fashion industry. I'll trust their judgement over what Steve might have done. Not everything Steve did was always right. Now if your arguing that Apple shouldn't go down the fashion route, that's a different conversation. Honestly I think there's always been a fashion element to Apple; they're just getting into it in a bigger way now.

If there was only one shirt and one pants in existence I'd own 10 of each and wear the same thing every day and not complain at all. People wear different things because the choice exists, bot the other way round.

I was not entering the fashion debate but if I was my answer would be this.
Functionality on it's own is no good.
Fashion on it's own is pointless.
Fashion or form blended with functionality beginning at the initial design concept phase of a product and kept right through to the product's release is the best.
I am not worried Apple makes watches. I am more worried Apple is slowly seeings as fashion or functional and not that the best products have both blended at their core.

 

[Rogifan]

If there was only one shirt and one pants in existence I'd own 10 of each and wear the same thing every day and not complain at all. People wear different things because the choice exists, bot the other way round.

I was not entering the fashion debate but if I was my answer would be this.
Functionality on it's own is no good.
Fashion on it's own is pointless.
Fashion or form blended with functionality beginning at the initial design concept phase of a product and kept right through to the product's release is the best.
I am not worried Apple makes watches. I am more worried Apple is slowly seeings as fashion or functional and not that the best products have both blended at their core.

Okay then you truly are unique. Most people would complain about having to wear the the same thing everybody else is wearing. To me that really would be 1984.

 

[Arran]

Well, we all have to go sometime.

The goal to make a dent in the universe first.

 

[the8thark]

Okay then you truly are unique. Most people would complain about having to wear the the same thing everybody else is wearing. To me that really would be 1984.

You call them unique . . . we call them genius - Jobs.
I'm no genius but you get my point. And yes you're right I see clothes as more functional than fashion.

 

[cjmillsnun]

Except that's impossible when it comes to fashion. Do you wear the same clothes and shoes as everyone else? Of course not. Watch the video below right around the 17:00 mark. Steve talks about the importance of design and how (at the time) people owned on average 7 watches because of design.

Steve wore the same clothes and shoes for many years.

 

[Rogifan]

Steve wore the same clothes and shoes for many years.

Yeah and you don't think that was the least bit odd? Do you wear the same clothes and shoes all the time? Do you wear the same thing that everyone else does?

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Steve wore the same clothes and shoes for many years.

And is that an argument for doing likewise?

Besides, in common with everything else done by the late Mr Jobs, the appearance he presented to the world was calculated and carefully thought through.

In his first - wildly successful period - in the 1980s, he dressed the part of a stylish and dapper business man - white shirts, bow ties, expensive coats, while occasionally contrasting that by conveying the impression of studied informality when photographed wearing jeans.

However, the image he sought to present in his subsequent reincarnation when he returned to Apple was that of a man who had changed and learned from what had brought about these changes; hence his transformed appearance, those turtlenecks and jeans. Actually, my sense is that it took a lot of work to manage that seemingly artless appearance, and, given the controlling nature of Mr Job's obsessive personality, and his notorious attention to minute detail and fascination with form (as well as function), I don't for one minute think that this seemingly artless appearance was anything other than thoroughly planned and intended to present the image of himself that he wished to convey.