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StrollerEd

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I first tried an iPad 2 in 2011 but decided that I had no need for it as an in-between device, then desktop Mac at work and both MBAir and iPhone for work on the go. I now have MBP [edit] 15" 256GB (2015) [ie no USB-C] and iP7, 128GB [with lightning connector], both bought 'behind the curve' at a heavy discount.

Reading reviews of the iPAir (2019) started me to contemplate starting a journey with an iPad. I started that two days ago with a refurb iPPro 10.5 64GB (2017) from the online Apple Store. I say iPPro (2017) but it seems that it was manufactured in May 2019, although on reflection that might be the re-furb date for the cover and battery.

One potentially crucial matter is whether the threat of the dreaded 'white spot' will remain or whether Apple would have done something about that in this 'more recent' item. Perhaps I should add that I bought this with Amex Plat so I think that means 3 years' worth of cover? [edit: I am informed by Amex (UK) that this cover does not apply in the UK :( ]

As the MBP is now my workhorse and even though I back-up the data & software on it, it would be a real setback were I to lose this on my travels, hence my interest in the more recent iPads. As I sit typing this on my MBP I want to give the iPad the best chance of winning my heart ... and so taking this with me on the road in preference to my MBP which might still be my choice of partner on the sofa, so to speak.

I now have a countdown of 14 days in which to return (9 days now) and 60 for AppleCare+. So, a decision is before me.

Dimensions of (dis)affection:

1. No keyboard - yet. I'm trying to make my mind up between (in current preference order) the Zagg Rugged, the Brydge and the Apple Smart. Will order one when & if I stick with this iPad.

2. fingerprints on the screen - (see above) - OK, they are my own fingerprints but they annoy me when watching movies (which are impressive)

3. screen size - 10.5" is that bit smaller than [edit] 15" so having to get used to films shown on that smaller size but otherwise liking the smaller form, altho' not yet taken it out of the house.

4. weight - very light altho' will double to MBP weight (which is ok) when attached to Zagg or Brydge

5. storage - I read the thread on 64GB vs 256GB - decided that as the price was good for the 64GB and there was not a 256GB available in the colour I wanted (!! I know !!), I went for the 64GB, and bought a SanDisk 128GB USB to lightning stick for dual duty as storage and file transfer. On reflection 256GB would have made set-up that much easier and I do like ready access to music and photos, also discovering that any downloads of movies would set me back >1GB a time. That said, I have upgraded iCloud and upgraded Google One/Drive provision. If I organise myself properly that should mean that I could live with 64GB for life on the road, at least for a week at most. So, jury is out on whether to just go for gold (bling!) and pay the extra for a 256GB refurb while still available, or even 512GB in a colour I do like. But there is a price to pay, and I do like a bargain ...

6. software - I have (used) Word, Powerpoint & Excel and have even taken out annual sub for O365 [shock!] as have large backstore of earlier docs and continue to write & present. I wanted to be able to edit those, if not create new, on my travels - tweaking and correcting mostly. Fortunately the O365 sub meant it was straightforward to download the respective Apps. I have not yet tested how easy the Apps are to use for tweaking & editing purposes. I have not yet investigated whether some of the specialist software I use on the MBP have iPad Apps, but the outcome is not a killer.

7. Pencil - a new tool for me. I'm now trying to use it rather than my finger to eliminate the fingerprint annoyance. I have yet to try writing and handwriting recognition (good luck with that methinks), nor yet taken to drawing/painting altho' have downloaded some free apps. The bare screen seems a bit slippy so have started to investigate a screen protectors - even Paperlite which apparently makes writing with Pencil more realistic, altho' at the expense of a more opaque image for movies/photos :(

8. That potential worry about white spot? I've put this to one side at the mo' but clearly I should re-visit before my 14 days - now 9 at time of typing - is up. But then, do I opt for the iPad Air and forgo the advantage that 4GB has over 3GB, and the (untested) advantage of Pro-motion and better speakers.

to be continued ...

Will Stroller learn to love an iPad? Will the iPad Pro 2017 become his best friend? Is he missing a trick by not buying that key accessory? Should he stick, twist or fold? - to mix the metaphor ;)
 
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Will Stroller learn to love an iPad? Will the iPad Pro 2017 become his best friend? Is he missing a trick by not buying that key accessory? Should he stick, twist or fold? - to mix the metaphor ;)

You haven't said specifically what you are going to use it for. There are zillions of threads on whether or not it can be a replacement for a mac (or pc). I find it a perfect companion to my Mac and use it a good 50% of the time, and what I can't do on it (like RIP CDs) , I just move over to MacOS. it takes a little while to really get used to a touch interface, and it may or may not be for you. I can vouch for the 10.5 ASK, I find it very comfortable to use and pencil is great for note taking and markup. Unless you intend to download a large number of movies, I personally cannot see the need to go above 64g, and if you decide to pay the extra for cloud syncing or storage, it is really not an issue.

Good luck with your decision.
 
You haven't said specifically what you are going to use it for. There are zillions of threads on whether or not it can be a replacement for a mac (or pc). I find it a perfect companion to my Mac and use it a good 50% of the time, and what I can't do on it (like RIP CDs) , I just move over to MacOS. it takes a little while to really get used to a touch interface, and it may or may not be for you. I can vouch for the 10.5 ASK, I find it very comfortable to use and pencil is great for note taking and markup. Unless you intend to download a large number of movies, I personally cannot see the need to go above 64g, and if you decide to pay the extra for cloud syncing or storage, it is really not an issue.

Good luck with your decision.

Thanks for the reply and comment.

I'm sorry if I was not plain enough on my planned use in stating
As the MBP is now my workhorse and even though I back-up the data & software on it, it would be a real setback were I to lose this on my travels, hence my interest in the more recent iPads.

In short, I want to reduce opportunity to lose that laptop by establishing what I can make do with the iPad, and I want to set that up so as to help me regard it as not a poor second best.

Apart from email and social media, I write a lot of documents (in Word) & create slidedecks (in PPT) for presentations. I would like to be able to carry a backstore and edit 'on the road'. I don't expect to download many movies but I do have a large music library, many photos and several short videos. I am looking to create a subset of that media library to carry on the iPad, with options to draw down from iCloud or on that SanDisk. I also have some stats programmes (and do some work in spreadsheets) altho' I don't expect to do that work on the iPad.

I have read a few of the zillions of threads and gleaned lot of opinion about the potential that the iPad Pro has. Recent experience with the MS PPT App has been frustrating - can't seem to easily get out of the slideshow and haven't clicked best use of finger & pencil. Things might also get better when I have an attached keyboard rather than the digital one. Not quite yet convinced enough about the iPad to order that keyboard, but not what you say about the ASK, but I also it is pricey, no backlit keys and does not offer much protection. I've the possibility of a Zagg for £72 - even though that gets slagged for the weight and the hinge ... Meantime, I'm writing this on my MBP :)
 
The problem with the iPad is that the apps are not the same as the desktop versions and so interacting will be different. If you are doing lots of desktop type stuff and not much else then I don't think the iPad is the right solution. It is really a new way of using a device and to me, they make a lot more sense when paired with a mac, but that’s my view only and they can work standalone . It is important to find the right apps and revise your workflow else it may not meet your expectations.
 
The problem with the iPad is that the apps are not the same as the desktop versions and so interacting will be different. If you are doing lots of desktop type stuff and not much else then I don't think the iPad is the right solution. It is really a new way of using a device and to me, they make a lot more sense when paired with a mac, but that’s my view only and they can work standalone . It is important to find the right apps and revise your workflow else it may not meet your expectations.

We could see a lot of this change with iOS apps coming MacOS with iOS13 and Catalina.
 
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I keep drifting back to using my laptop in preference ... even for things like this and email and FB ...

... must try harder to make the switch, only 5 days of the 14 return window to go
 
I keep drifting back to using my laptop in preference ... even for things like this and email and FB ...

... must try harder to make the switch, only 5 days of the 14 return window to go

In your situation, I’d be minded to return. The white spot doesn’t seem a risk worth taking when you don’t need the superior speakers, camera, promotion (since you’re drifting back to the laptop.)

Perhaps the iPad or iPad Mini would be a better fit for you, as there will be a portability gain over the Pro. They are proven form factors with no reports of white spots, while also being a cheaper model if you might not use it extensively.
 
I will look at the iPad and iPad Mini ...

The new iPad Mini, which has pencil support, comes in at £50 cheaper but does not have ASK support - checking to confirm that it has support for external keyboard.

Problem being that it will does not seem to have enough to encourage me to leave my MBP behind. It might get me to value the tablet in its own right I suppose, but I have my doubts as the iPhone + MBP combo has served me well up to now.
 
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