Keep Spec'd Out MBP 16" 2019 *OR* SELL NOW For 2021/2022 MBP

[MichaelMidnight]

Hi guys. I'm one of those long time MBP users - around 5 years - and the last time I had a big purchase was when the 16" came out back in 2019 and it finally had good keyboard and a better screen size. But what I didn't know was Apple Silicone. My machine is the 2.4 i9 with 32gb of ram and 2tb of hard drive. Is this config gonna be good for the long haul or should I sell it now at a good price and use that for the new MBPs coming out that I suspect would last longer since it's Apple Silicone?

 

[Aggedor]

If you need a big screen, I'd sell it before there's a comparible Apple Silicon (not silicone) machine, because prices for used Intel 16"ers are going to tank.

 

[l0stl0rd]

Personally I would sell it, in some regards I like the M1 air already better then the 16”, ok I only had the i7 version. Performance is nice, battery holds longer, less heat and noise.

 

[Jack Neill]

If you need a big screen, I'd sell it before there's a comparible Apple Silicon (not silicone) machine, because prices for used Intel 16"ers are going to tank.

I can't wait for that to happen, I've always wanted one in my collection.

 

[wyrdness]

Don't sell for something that hasn't even been announced yet. There was someone here who did that before WWDC in June, then no new machines were announced.

 

[TrueBlou]

It's difficult to say, we could still don't know when the new ones will actually find their way into our hands.
However, the prices of Intel systems will probably be affected once the M1(whatever) systems are announced.

My wife decided to get rid of her Intel MBA, just a couple of months after I got my M1, and the prices were already dropping for them. There's still going to be people who see value in the Intel systems - for obvious reasons, but they use Apple Silicon as an argument to try and get the price down.

So I guess it depends how sure you are that you want to make the switch to Apple Silicon now and perhaps, how long can you live without a laptop, if you want the best sale price.

 

[senttoschool]

If you need a big screen, I'd sell it before there's a comparible Apple Silicon (not silicone) machine, because prices for used Intel 16"ers are going to tank.

I don't think the Intel 16" resale value is going to tank. I think a lot of people will want an Intel machine that has an AMD GPU and is able to boot with Windows.

It could be a scenario like the 2015 15" MBP which kept its resale value very high for years despite it being a generation behind.

 

[Ifti]

Hi guys. I'm one of those long time MBP users - around 5 years - and the last time I had a big purchase was when the 16" came out back in 2019 and it finally had good keyboard and a better screen size. But what I didn't know was Apple Silicone. My machine is the 2.4 i9 with 32gb of ram and 2tb of hard drive. Is this config gonna be good for the long haul or should I sell it now at a good price and use that for the new MBPs coming out that I suspect would last longer since it's Apple Silicone?

I have a similar system but with 1TB SSD instead of 2TB.
I'm keeping mine for as long as I can. It does everything I need for now, so I'm not upgrading for the hell of it....

 

[jerryk]

I dumped my 16" as soon as I tried out an M1 MBP. I actually went with the Air because I was tired of listening to the fan spinning up on the 16" even on a basic task like a Zoom call. I was surprised to find out for many of my day-to-day tasks the base M1 Air was as fast or faster than the 16" MBP.

Back then I received a good price for the 16" from Mac of All Trades. I have no idea how the prices are holding up these days.

 

[jz0309]

Hi guys. I'm one of those long time MBP users - around 5 years - and the last time I had a big purchase was when the 16" came out back in 2019 and it finally had good keyboard and a better screen size. But what I didn't know was Apple Silicone. My machine is the 2.4 i9 with 32gb of ram and 2tb of hard drive. Is this config gonna be good for the long haul or should I sell it now at a good price and use that for the new MBPs coming out that I suspect would last longer since it's Apple Silicone?

Does it meet your needs? Do you foresee your needs changing anytime soon? Do you have any problems with it?

 

[5425642]

I don't think the Intel 16" resale value is going to tank. I think a lot of people will want an Intel machine that has an AMD GPU and is able to boot with Windows.

It could be a scenario like the 2015 15" MBP which kept its resale value very high for years despite it being a generation behind.

Windows 11 with parallels works fine with a m1

 

[senttoschool]

Windows 11 with parallels works fine with a m1

Well aware of this. Have tried it.

But for people who depend on Windows for work or want to use their 16" Intel to play x86 games, Apple Silicon is not a good choice. First, you're emulating an emulation most of the time. Issues are bound to pop up. In addition, Microsoft just came out and said that they won't support Apple Silicon. For people who have to get work done on Windows, you're relying on Parallels to find hacks/workarounds.

 

[5425642]

Well aware of this. Have tried it.

But for people who depend on Windows for work or want to use their 16" Intel to play x86 games, Apple Silicon is not a good choice. First, you're emulating an emulation most of the time. Issues are bound to pop up. In addition, Microsoft just came out and said that they won't support Apple Silicon. For people who have to get work done on Windows, you're relying on Parallels to find hacks/workarounds.

You have missynderstand just because windows says they don’t support apple silicon it don’t mean that it won’t work.
They just saying we will not give support on that.

also when more and more Ms software gets over to ARM parallels with win 11 is the best option.

 

[senttoschool]

You have missynderstand just because windows says they don’t support apple silicon it don’t mean that it won’t work.
They just saying we will not give support on that.

also when more and more Ms software gets over to ARM parallels with win 11 is the best option.

I didn't misunderstand. Yes, it's "working" right now.

But without support, you shouldn't rely on an AS system to run Windows for work.

Recently, running Windows 11 with Parallels Desktop 17 started popping hardware compatibility errors, which was a sign that support was going away as the final release date for Windows 11 approached. Parallels managed to fix some of those issues with the Windows Insider builds, but it appears those won’t be enough to keep things running for the final release.

Your M1 Mac Won't Run Windows 11

If you were planning on running Windows 11 on an M1 Mac, today isn't your lucky day.

www.howtogeek.com

 

[5425642]

I didn't misunderstand. Yes, it's "working" right now.

But without support, you shouldn't rely on an AS system to run Windows for work.

Your M1 Mac Won't Run Windows 11

If you were planning on running Windows 11 on an M1 Mac, today isn't your lucky day.

www.howtogeek.com

Windows does not support windows 10 in parallels on intel Mac either

 

[senttoschool]

Windows does not support windows 10 in parallels on intel Mac either

Bootcamp existed. And fundamentally, Intel Macs had an x86 CPU and an AMD GPU. It's basically a normal PC to Windows 10.

 

[5425642]

Bootcamp existed. And fundamentally, Intel Macs had an x86 CPU and an AMD GPU. It's basically a normal PC to Windows 10.

I was talking about parallels.

 

[bobcomer]

It sounds like a good machine to me!

There are a couple of concerns though. If you *need* to run Windows in a VM or via bootcamp, keep the current machine.

If you need to run an older version of MacOS in a VM, keep the i9! (like a MacOS that can run 32-bit Mac apps) This is even more important than the Windows one.

If you don't need to run windows or older versions of MacOS, I'd wait until the next version of the MBP are out. You don't know when that'll happen and how long the shipping wait will be, and I for one wouldn't be without a PC for awhile.

As for an M1, I wouldn't bother, it wont be that much faster than your i9 if it's well cooled, and there are definitely some V1 issues with the M1. (so much so I don't even use mine anymore, I use m1 Intel Mac Mini with an i7)

 

[ADGrant]

It's difficult to say, we could still don't know when the new ones will actually find their way into our hands.
However, the prices of Intel systems will probably be affected once the M1(whatever) systems are announced.

My wife decided to get rid of her Intel MBA, just a couple of months after I got my M1, and the prices were already dropping for them. There's still going to be people who see value in the Intel systems - for obvious reasons, but they use Apple Silicon as an argument to try and get the price down.

So I guess it depends how sure you are that you want to make the switch to Apple Silicon now and perhaps, how long can you live without a laptop, if you want the best sale price.

Well the Intel MBA was not a particularly good Intel MacBook. Weak CPU and GPU. It also had very poor cooling system. The 16" MBP is at the other of the Intel MacBook spectrum. It can be configured with more RAM than an M1 Mac, has more TB ports and is available with stronger GPUs. It also will run Windows well in either a VM or Bootcamp.

While an Apple Silicon Mac will be better for most people, I expect the used market for 16" MBPs to be quite a bit stronger than the market for Intel MBAs or 13" MBPs.

 

[Boil]

Hi guys. I'm one of those long time MBP users - around 5 years - and the last time I had a big purchase was when the 16" came out back in 2019 and it finally had good keyboard and a better screen size. But what I didn't know was Apple Silicone. My machine is the 2.4 i9 with 32gb of ram and 2tb of hard drive. Is this config gonna be good for the long haul or should I sell it now at a good price and use that for the new MBPs coming out that I suspect would last longer since it's Apple Silicone?

If you have any need for a Windows laptop, keep what you have, use it as a dedicated Windows (Boot Camp) machine after you get a new 16" ASi MacBook Pro; congrats, you're Dual Wielding... ;^p

 

[senttoschool]

I was talking about parallels.

Doesn’t matter. The point is that you get official Windows support on Intel Macs.

That’s worth a lot to some Mac users. Hence, I think the Intel 16” will hold its value for a long time.

 

[arvinsim]

I also had the same problem. Ended up buying a 16GB RAM and 512 GB SSD MBA and put the 16" for sale.

 

[l0stl0rd]

I also had the same problem. Ended up buying a 16GB RAM and 512 GB SSD MBA and put the 16" for sale.

Yes however if I miss something it is the screen size and the ports.

Come on Apple where is the new 16”.

 

[5425642]

Yes however if I miss something it is the screen size and the ports.

Come on Apple where is the new 16”.

Hoping that they will release it in October or similar

 

[ssn637]

I have the same configuration and have been patiently waiting for the new Apple Silicon MacBook Pro models.

My current GeekBench Metal GPU score (AMD Radeon Pro 5500M 8 GB) is around 30.000
Predicted M1X GeekBench Metal GPU scores for the 16-core version are 50% higher, while the 32-core GPU model has been estimated to score a whopping 92.480 points! These numbers seem incredible to me, but if they're in the ballpark and battery life is doubled then we'll be looking at a tremendous upgrade. And next year's new architecture should bring even more improvements if we're willing to wait that long.

I was surprised to find that the games I run in Boot Camp (IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 and Great Battles) are now (in DirectX mode) just as fast at the same resolution and graphics settings in a (Windows 11) Parallels 17 virtual machine. And I also use VMware Fusion or Parallels to run my Bring Your Own Device Windows virtual machine for office use. The only argument I still have for keeping the Intel-based MacBook Pro is that I'm connected to a Black Magic eGPU, but I'm hoping someone will provide a solution for that lack of official support sometime soon.

I'm also excited about the 14" model especially, since I do travel quite a bit between offices and the 16" is just too big to work with when sitting in 2nd class on a regional train!