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HoreaG

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Hello!

What do you think? Is it a good idea to use a LaCie 1 TB SSD with Thunderbold connection as external system disk for my thick iMacs? (late 2009-mid 2011)
Also I could use it for the 2013 model, as I need an SSD but dont want to cut the glass loose.
 

Fishrrman

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Why don't you try it on the 2009 and 2011 to see?
Be aware, with Macs that old, there's only so much one can do ...

For the 2013 model, I recommend that you use a USB3 SSD instead.
The 2013 has USB3.
 

HoreaG

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Why? For not having the drive. Therefore I asked before buying one.
 

Juicy Box

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What do you think? Is it a good idea to use a LaCie 1 TB SSD with Thunderbold connection as external system disk for my thick iMacs? (late 2009-mid 2011)
It depends on what year that you have.

Only the Mid 2011 iMacs have Thunderbolt, they were the first iMacs with Thunderbolt.

If you have the Late 2009 or Mid 2010 iMacs, your external options are USB2, FW800, and SD card.

There are other options, such as replacing the internal HDD and/or ODD with a SSD, and also add an internal SSD using the third, unused SATA port on the logic board. There are also USB3 and eSATA mods you can do. All of these involve opening the Mac with varying difficultly. Swapping the HDD and/or ODD for a SSD is the easiest and cheapest, some of the others involve removing the logic board.

Let us know exactly what iMac you have so we can better answer the question.



Also I could use it for the 2013 model, as I need an SSD but dont want to cut the glass loose.
The Late 2009 to Mid 2011 iMacs don't need to cut anything, the glass is magnetically attached, but you are right, the Late 2013 iMac does have the laminated display glued on.

Why? For not having the drive. Therefore I asked before buying one.
Whether it is worth it or not is debatable. It is one thing if you already had the equipment, then hell yes, it would be totally worth it, it is really a night and day difference.

But, if you don't already have the equipment, whether or not it would be worth it would depend on how how cheap you can get the drives and SSD for.


If you plan on using or older iMacs for a few years, then it could be worth it. Switching from a HDD to a SSD boot drive will give you a night and day difference, and feel like a totally different Mac.

This is even when using it over a slower bus like USB2 and FW800. The HDD will beat the USB2 and FW800 SSD when it comes to sequential speeds, like transferring files, but for everything else, like booting, opening opening file, opening apps, shutting down, the USB2 and FW800 SSD will feel a lot faster due to it having much faster Random speeds than the HDD.

But, if you don't plan on using your older Macs much longer, and plan on getting a new Mac soon, it wouldn't worth the investment on a TB SSD (for the Mid 2011 iMac).

Also, it is hard to find TB1 and TB2 SSDs. There are some TB2 SSDs on Amazon, and they have some decent read and write speeds, but they are pricing. I doubt you will find a new TB1 SSD.

You are better off going on eBay, and getting a used TB1/2 enclosure or external HDD and swap the HDD in the enclosure for an SSD.


Let us know what Mac you have.
 

HoreaG

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Well, I have:
- 2007 24", 2009 i5, 2010 i7 - these are out of discussion (no TB and I dont think FW would be worth it)
- mid 2011 - this where I have to decide: a. external TB, easiest way, no opening up, b. put an SSD inside, that would need opening, c. disassemble completly and than large the vent at the upside (either by machining or by drilling holes) as it goes hot, d. further step to c could be putting the entire case and the stand into an anodising bath and get a colored iMac like the new Apple Silicon ones. My fear is, that I will break the glass, just like I did with the 2010, not when taking it out but when putting it back.
- 2013 - even more complicated to open up, but if I do, than it will get an NVMe. Question is, would an external TB drive be fast enough so I dont bother with open it up?
- 2020 - this will stay as it is, as it it has already SSD inside and is too expensive for experiments. I would like to exchange it with one that has i7 and 8 GB video (this one has 4 GB) and the normal screen. It has the expensive matte (nano structure) glass that I dont like.
 

Nguyen Duc Hieu

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Well, I have:
- 2007 24", 2009 i5, 2010 i7 - these are out of discussion (no TB and I dont think FW would be worth it)
- mid 2011 - this where I have to decide: a. external TB, easiest way, no opening up, b. put an SSD inside, that would need opening, c. disassemble completly and than large the vent at the upside (either by machining or by drilling holes) as it goes hot, d. further step to c could be putting the entire case and the stand into an anodising bath and get a colored iMac like the new Apple Silicon ones. My fear is, that I will break the glass, just like I did with the 2010, not when taking it out but when putting it back.
- 2013 - even more complicated to open up, but if I do, than it will get an NVMe. Question is, would an external TB drive be fast enough so I dont bother with open it up?
- 2020 - this will stay as it is, as it it has already SSD inside and is too expensive for experiments. I would like to exchange it with one that has i7 and 8 GB video (this one has 4 GB) and the normal screen. It has the expensive matte (nano structure) glass that I dont like.

For iMac 2011 (27"), complete disassembly is not necessary to replace the HDD with SSD.
- Remove the protective glass,
- Un-screw, lift-up the LCD panel about 10cm (4 inches) from its original position,
- un-plug the HDD, use short screw-driver to remove the frame
- plug-in the SSD, tape it to the aluminum case.
- place the LCD panel back to its original positions and screw it it.
- Place back the protective glass.
I don't even have to detach all of the cables connecting the LCD panel, only the V-sync cable is enough space to work.
 

HoreaG

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I don't even have to detach all of the cables connecting the LCD panel, only the V-sync cable is enough space to work.
Good to know. Although I would put the SSD additional to the HDD and the Superdrive. This is possible in iMac 2010 and 2011, I am curios if also in the late 2009.
 

Amethyst1

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- 2013 - even more complicated to open up, but if I do, than it will get an NVMe. Question is, would an external TB drive be fast enough so I dont bother with open it up?
2013 iMacs have Thunderbolt 1, limiting you to ≈1000 MB/s max.

When it comes to attaching an SSD to Thunderbolt 1/2, you have a few options:
  • Put an NVMe into a Thunderbolt 3 enclosure and attach that to a powered Thunderbolt 1/2 dock/device using Apple's bidirectional TB1/2<->TB3 adapter. Attach the powered device/dock to the iMac.
  • Put an NVMe into an m.2-to-PCIe adapter and that into a Thunderbolt 1/2-to-PCIe enclosure (I use an AKiTiO Thunder2).
  • Find a true PCIe Thunderbolt 1/2 SSD, such as Lacie's Little Big Disk Thunderbolt 2. (Good luck finding more.)
  • Most Thunderbolt 1/2 SSDs actually have a PCIe SATA controller and a SATA SSD inside (≈500 MB/s max)... which means that at least on a 2013 iMac that also has USB 3.0, you might as well boot from an external USB 3.0 SSD.
 
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f54da

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Thunderblt 3 -> TB1 adapters only work on 10.12 or newer IIRC (and nvme drives don't work on < 10.10 anyway). So if you are dead-set on using an older OS you only have one option.
 
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