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I've been restarting my classic mac collection! I have recently set up my Power Mac G4 MDD 1.25 DP and I was wondering if there was any live streaming software available for 10.4 Tiger, any version. My Mac technically can run Leopard, and probably Sorbet Leopard too, but anything past Tiger is optimized for Intel, and i'd rather keep my mac usable for creative work. Twitch is my preferred site, but Youtube would work too! Thank you!
 

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I've been restarting my classic mac collection! I have recently set up my Power Mac G4 MDD 1.25 DP and I was wondering if there was any live streaming software available for 10.4 Tiger, any version. My Mac technically can run Leopard, and probably Sorbet Leopard too, but anything past Tiger is optimized for Intel, and i'd rather keep my mac usable for creative work. Twitch is my preferred site, but Youtube would work too! Thank you!

QuickTime Streaming?
 
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…but anything past Tiger is optimized for Intel, and i'd rather keep my mac usable for creative work.
I wasn't going to respond because I don't have an answer for you, but this part I am quoting I must take exception to.

From around 2008 to 2013 I ran Leopard on a work G5 and G4. Working for a weekly newspaper we produced ads, classifieds, legals, and page layout. Adobe CS4 (InDesign, Photoshop, Illustrator), QuarkXPress 8, Acrobat 9 and Office 2008. That's creative work. On Leopard. Totally usable. Done for real money from paying customers on a deadline.

In 2013, the boss got me a MacPro and my coworker got the G5 (still on Leopard). That's why I moved on, not because Leopard wasn't working.

Now Quark did not optimize their OS9 type engine and so I had to drop back to QXP 6 to do legals, but that wasn't Leopard's fault, it was Quark's. And QXP 6.0 runs on Leopard. Leopard has better integration into a mixed network of PCs (including PC servers) and Macs, more app compatibility and is far more stable than Tiger in that environment.

Later on, I was using a the Leopard G4 to printshare the Appletalk printer because the new MacPro couldn't print to it correctly. Tiger's printsharing is archaic and crashed often.

I had more issues with Tiger than I ever had with Leopard. So, any system that I personally own that can run Leopard does. I don't know what you've heard, but there is a fallacy out there that keeps getting repeated that Leopard is bad. But if you have proof that Leopard is 'optimized' for Intel, I'd like to see it. This is the first time I've ever heard that and my own personal experience says it's not true.
 
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I have recently set up my Power Mac G4 MDD 1.25 DP and I was wondering if there was any live streaming software available for 10.4 Tiger, any version.
I wasn't going to respond because I don't have an answer for you, but this part I am quoting I must take exception to.

As well, I concur with Erik: this is an unsubstantiated statement — one not borne out over the years by ongoing benchmarks and real-world applications/usage by this community.

Out of box, 10.5.0 — as with every early/un-revised initial public release, had its problems. In fact, it wasn’t until about 10.5.3 before most of the initial bugs had been ironed out. This was, however, also during an era, the Serlet era, when Apple would continue to work to fix, streamline, and optimize a major OS X build before confidently handing the reins over to the next major version. Tiger was given this due. Leopard was given this due. (And so too Snow Leopard was given this due. Snow Leopard would be the last.)

I find 10.4.11 runs well on G4 and G5 Macs. But 10.4.11 shone best for the PPC7400 group of G4s, ca. 1999 to 2002, and pretty much all faster G3s. The Intel models running 10.4.3 and later were kind of a kludge, a working proof of concept publicly usable, to assure OS X was still OS X using Intel code. But aside from a few retrocomputing enthusiasts doing nifty “what-ifs” (the “How (s)low can you go” thread, the running 10.4.1 on Developer Transition Kit specs, etc.), Tiger on Intel was all but a public beta — a work in progress.

10.5.8, especially after user-oriented adjustments, was optimized for the newer, faster crop of PPC7450 and PPC970 Macs — even more so than Intel models it supported. (Indeed, it wouldn’t be until Snow Leopard’s Grand Central Dispatch API before Intel’s Core architecture could begin to sing. GCD delivered multi-core management and optimizing of processes. It’s now called Dispatch, used with every Apple computing product released Snow Leopard, iDevices included.)

Your MDD DP 1.25 G4 is one of the PPC7450-era models, with two 7455s (each with an L3 cache). Yours was in mind when Apple refined OS X Leopard on PowerPC Macs, back when a slim majority of Mac consumers/users were still using OS X on PowerPC models (and Intel Macs hadn’t yet taken over that mantle).

From around 2008 to 2013 I ran Leopard on a work G5 and G4. Working for a weekly newspaper we produced ads, classifieds, legals, and page layout. Adobe CS4 (InDesign, Photoshop, Illustrator), QuarkXPress 8, Acrobat 9 and Office 2008. That's creative work. On Leopard. Totally usable. Done for real money from paying customers on a deadline.

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I had more issues with Tiger than I ever had with Leopard. So, any system that I personally own that can run Leopard does. I don't know what you've heard, but there is a fallacy out there that keeps getting repeated that Leopard is bad. But if you have proof that Leopard is 'optimized' for Intel, I'd like to see it. This is the first time I've ever heard that and my own personal experience says it's not true.

Again, I concur. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence!
 
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I've been restarting my classic mac collection! I have recently set up my Power Mac G4 MDD 1.25 DP and I was wondering if there was any live streaming software available for 10.4 Tiger, any version. My Mac technically can run Leopard, and probably Sorbet Leopard too, but anything past Tiger is optimized for Intel, and i'd rather keep my mac usable for creative work. Twitch is my preferred site, but Youtube would work too! Thank you!

Well, look what exists open-source and does not use Qt5+, Rust, Go, NodeJS and Haskell. If you find, check whether it already exists in MacPorts. If not, you can try requesting to make a port for it (Trac MacPorts, open an issue).
 

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I had more issues with Tiger than I ever had with Leopard. So, any system that I personally own that can run Leopard does. I don't know what you've heard, but there is a fallacy out there that keeps getting repeated that Leopard is bad.

Absolutely. Tiger is a disaster, with some basic stuff regularly broken. And there is no reason to use some super-archaic hardware when late G4 and G5 cost peanuts.

P. S. To whomever happens to read this: do yourself a favor, wipe out 10.4 and install either 10.5 or 10.6.
 
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Absolutely. Tiger is a disaster, with some basic stuff regularly broken. And there is no reason to use some super-archaic hardware when late G4 and G5 cost peanuts.

P. S. To whomever happens to read this: do yourself a favor, wipe out 10.4 and install either 10.5 or 10.6.
They're both fine IMO. I prefer Tiger because it subjectively "feels" faster, seems to run better on my hardware, and doesn't give me any problems with what I do. I run Sorbet too because why not, and stock Leopard for building the Leopard version of the TenFourFox toolkit.

To get any "real" work done on PowerPC, however, I use NetBSD. :p
 

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They're both fine IMO. I prefer Tiger because it subjectively "feels" faster, seems to run better on my hardware, and doesn't give me any problems with what I do. I run Sorbet too because why not, and stock Leopard for building the Leopard version of the TenFourFox toolkit.

Once/if you start building something on 10.4 not specifically tailored to it (like TFF), you will probably run into countless breakages. (It is possible that most of those are fixable, just no one does that, so it is broken.)

To get any "real" work done on PowerPC, however, I use NetBSD.

NetBSD has some advantages, of course, but it is not as straightforward, IMO. I am pretty sure that some modern software has a better support on macOS, simply because it has been maintained for it, while it was not done for NetBSD.
 
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