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macintologist

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I have a 2009 MacBook Pro and I want to use it as a resource for a five-year-old to play educational games and typing practice.

I absolutely do not want to use any websites because they are filled with ads, you have to pay a premium subscription, and they run really slow on a 2009 MacBook Pro and web browsers don’t even work that well anyway.

I am looking for a way to get native Mac educational software for early elementary and preschool that was made in the mid 2000s so that it runs really well on the 2009 MacBook Pro.

Does anyone have any suggestions on where I would go to get such software, where I could download it, or where I could find a list of software that is good from that time period?
 

Romain_H

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There is Edubuntu, a Linux distribution aimed to provide educational software (edubuntu.org).

Not sure if it would run on your Mac and/or if you'd consider installing it, given its Linux, not Mac OS based
 

Heindijs

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I don't know of many educational games or preschool software from the Intel era but I do know there's plenty of it for older PowerPC macs.
Humongous Entertainment has plenty of fun games which I used to play myself as a kid. You should install Snow Leopard if you want to use PowerPC software and you can have a look around on macintoshgarden.org for software.
Most Humongous games are installable on ScummVM and you'll be able to run them on more modern versions of macOS but that's a bit more involved.
 
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eyoungren

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You could try the Goodwill/Salvation Army stores (US) or a charity shop (UK). Goodwill/Salvation Army tends to have lots of cast off games on CD in the book section (where they locate the music/software). Usually pretty cheap.

When my son was 5 or so we picked up a lot of cheap PC games for him from the Goodwill.
 

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The IQ is inverse proportional to the time of media consumotion, does not matter if using a TV of in front of an iPad or Macbook. Developennt or speech and later writing will be slower, cognitive processing is slower on average. This has been tested by a lot studies with a lot of humans of different ages. Old people with high media usage loose speaking abilities, active set of words becomes smaller. Very young ones do not develop it in the first place.

If you really want to make your kid smart get him away from time wasting intelligence destroying media consumption at all cost. Try to read books and make him listen. Best time is last hour before sleeping.
 

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Why do you think educational software is "media consumption". Its not.
It is! The german translation of to comprehend is begreifen (and it means experiencing and understanding by touching it). This is the way our brain models the reality. Having all these sensor experiences triggers the development in these important early years of the brain.

You cannot comprehend the real world when you lack the basic understanding of the device in front of you just making noises and pictures like a TV. There is no feedback, no form to touch, no edge, no surfaces. It is a cheap stupid simulation which makes parents believe they can delegate their work to a device and some software.

Wasting time in front of a stupid program is no replacement for time spent with parents answering questions about the world outside.

Ask an expert on neuro science how human learning really works or better look it up yourself before coming up with such cheap claims.

But it is your child. My are already grown up without such nuisance and finished high school before 2009.
 

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It is! The german translation of to comprehend is begreifen (and it means experiencing and understanding by touching it). This is the way our brain models the reality. Having all these sensor experiences triggers the development in these important early years of the brain.

You cannot comprehend the real world when you lack the basic understanding of the device in front of you just making noises and pictures like a TV. There is no feedback, no form to touch, no edge, no surfaces. It is a cheap stupid simulation which makes parents believe they can delegate their work to a device and some software.

Wasting time in front of a stupid program is no replacement for time spent with parents answering questions about the world outside.

Ask an expert on neuro science how human learning really works or better look it up yourself before coming up with such cheap claims.

But it is your child. My are already grown up without such nuisance and finished high school before 2009.
Have you ever actually seen or played any educational computer games? They are not mindless movies. They're interactive, and teach kids things like spelling, colors, shapes, math, and other skills. Not to mention it can help teach them typing, controlling a mouse, and using a computer in general as well.

@macintologist Unfortunately I only know of a bunch of earlier Mac educational games that I played as a kid on PowerPC and OS 9. But some may be compatible if you put Snow Leopard on the MacBook from 2009. I played the Math/Science Blaster games, some Sesame Street game I forget the name of, Number Munchers, the Mia games and probably more I'm forgetting! Check out the Macintosh Garden too, I'm sure you can find some there that fit your needs.
 

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Have you ever actually seen or played any educational computer games? They are not mindless movies. They're interactive, and teach kids things like spelling, colors, shapes, math, and other skills. Not to mention it can help teach them typing, controlling a mouse, and using a computer in general as well.

@macintologist Unfortunately I only know of a bunch of earlier Mac educational games that I played as a kid on PowerPC and OS 9. But some may be compatible if you put Snow Leopard on the MacBook from 2009. I played the Math/Science Blaster games, some Sesame Street game I forget the name of, Number Munchers, the Mia games and probably more I'm forgetting! Check out the Macintosh Garden too, I'm sure you can find some there that fit your needs.
You are right: Moving a mouse of using a touching displays are important key capabilities we all need to learn in the age of five years. This is hilarious.The more time you waste in front of such a device the worse your spelling and reading becomes. You did not really get this?

Industry needs mindless consumers for their products or people watching Netflix or professional sports all day long. If you want to prepare your kid for this kind of career options go ahead!
 

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You are right: Moving a mouse of using a touching displays are important key capabilities we all need to learn in the age of five years. This is hilarious.The more time you waste in front of such a device the worse your spelling and reading becomes. You did not really get this?

Industry needs mindless consumers for their products or people watching Netflix or professional sports all day long. If you want to prepare your kid for this kind of career options go ahead!
I learned many of these things at the age of three using a computer for some simple educational games, and my spelling and reading was pretty darn good growing up. I fix computers for a living now and don't like sports. Guess the industry failed me? And, you misspelled a lot of things in your first post and in this one. 🤷‍♂️
 

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I learned many of these things at the age of three using a computer for some simple educational games, and my spelling and reading was pretty darn good growing up. I fix computers for a living now and don't like sports. Guess the industry failed me? And, you misspelled a lot of things in your first post and I’m in this one. 🤷‍♂️
This reads as though English is a second language for this user and is in use to try and convey an opinion to a majority English speaking user group. I’d bet spelling, grammar & articulation would improve greatly if speaking in their mother tongue.

There is compelling data within the past five years linking excessive screen time to put it bluntly - cognitive & emotional stupidity in young people (especially when over/ab used like a TV Ie: YT vids etc) & I think this was the concern because it is a real one for any parent. Like anything, moderation is key. Who can deny the benefits of modern computing and a wonderful skill to harness early on. My son going into 1st grade this August had computer lab in Kindergarten lol so it’s an acknowledged skill that is already woven into public school learning early on. With that being said, C-lab was one hour a week. The remaining 20+ was old fashioned classroom learning & play.

Computer exposure & screen learning in a healthy & managed environment is one tool in the tool box & a fantastic learning tool to excel your child’s development. They will ultimately be operating in this environment their entire lives, so exposure is vital to their learning about, understanding & operating within it.

I leveraged computers with my son early on - an old iMac at around 4y/o. Out of his class, he was the only child to know how to use a mouse to navigate the GUI in C-lab. That seems super basic and easy to learn but it was one less thing the teacher had to teach & more importantly made learning in that environment easier for him as school is a huge adjustment for any child. Also they’re tested on computers nowadays.

Screen time is a tough battle regardless with my kids. They are ALWAYS wanting it, so I can say from my own experience how easy it can be to lean on a screen too much. I combat that with all sorts of tasks from building lizard traps & bird feeders to folding airplane designs to legos & magnet tiles n other STEM toys they have to having “homework half hour” in summer lol (leveraging learning level books for 1st grade math & reading etc) to reading to my kids each night.All of this helps to give them structure & fill out their time outside of a screen. the story time is a surprising bonding opportunity as well & my boys (5 & 3) won’t go to bed without them anymore. Obviously we play some retro Mario or sonic on emus on that iMac too. Another fun wrapped up in learning bonding moment.
 
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It is! The german translation of to comprehend is begreifen (and it means experiencing and understanding by touching it). This is the way our brain models the reality. Having all these sensor experiences triggers the development in these important early years of the brain.

Marshall McLuhan’s “The medium is the message” applies to all media — as books, too, are a medium (and, upon development of the Gutenberg press, was incredibly disruptive in ways few then could have foreseen).

The German word, begreifen, if we’re talking about English vernacular, is to grok something — that is, to truly comprehend and know it, inside and outside, whether the “it” is a device, an idea, a system, and/or a blend of all these.

The truth is, Ausdauersportier, few to none of us reading this forum today, early July 2023, is young enough to speak experientially on — or know how — the disruption of glass interfaces and online media will shape the adult minds of tomorrow.

That’s because most of us were raised before the disruption at hand arrived — whether we’re discussing the internet, the personal computer, and/or the glass UI. I may be able to make a solid case argument that monetization, micro-transactions, and free-to-play schemes were and will always be mistakes, especially as they intersect with internet-based tech and media, but in the end, I have no control over this, nor do I have the control to shield it entirely from a kid growing up — not even my own.

I would rather let the first and subsequent generations to grow up with this omnipresent in their lives to reach an age of reflection and to argue the merit of whether having digital media — even if their parents did a good job of limiting commercial, advertised, monetized media — was and/or is an inherent good.

I will say that having access to so much more information at one’s fingertips has and does have a positive impact on the people I know personally who are now in the twenties and early thirties — who, for example, have access to maybe 80 or 90 per cent of all recorded pop and classical music within digital reach of a routine search query and, often to my surprise, know the songs I did from 30 or 35 years ago, which never, ever saw the light of commercialized consumption (i.e., major label promotions, radio and music television play [oh, hey, more disruptive mediums!], and so on) in their day.


You cannot comprehend the real world when you lack the basic understanding of the device in front of you just making noises and pictures like a TV. There is no feedback, no form to touch, no edge, no surfaces. It is a cheap stupid simulation which makes parents believe they can delegate their work to a device and some software.

I’m going to wait and see what the next generation has to say about this once they reach the age of no longer being infantilized and treated as non-reflective, non-introspective people with world views shaped by their own experiences. The rest of what you write here sounds an awful lot like, “old man shouts at cloud, story on page 5 of the… newspaper” [hahaha whoops, another disruptive medium, one full of adverts, oh darn!]

Wasting time in front of a stupid program is no replacement for time spent with parents answering questions about the world outside.

For the love of everything joyous, just staaaaaaahp. 🤦‍♀️

Ask an expert on neuro science how human learning really works or better look it up yourself before coming up with such cheap claims.

I’m soliciting all cogsci and neurosci scholars and researchers to hop into this really nuanced discussion.


But it is your child. My are already grown up without such nuisance and finished high school before 2009.

You sure do have a lot of opinions backed by little more than reflexive conjecture and a “concern” for other people’s kids. Not a good look. Your opinions here are off-topic, and they were also not solicited by the original poster (unless, of course, you happen to be a cogsci and/or neuroscientist with a bibliography of topical field research papers we ought to be poring over in our spare time, in which case, I solicited them just a moment ago).
 
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eyoungren

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This reads as though English is a second language for this user and is in use to try and convey an opinion to a majority English speaking user group. I’d bet spelling, grammar & articulation would improve greatly if speaking in their mother tongue.

There is compelling data within the past five years linking excessive screen time to put it bluntly - cognitive & emotional stupidity in young people (especially when over/ab used like a TV Ie: YT vids etc) & I think this was the concern because it is a real one for any parent. Like anything, moderation is key. Who can deny the benefits of modern computing and a wonderful skill to harness early on. My son going into 1st grade this August had computer lab in Kindergarten lol so it’s an acknowledged skill that is already woven into public school learning early on. With that being said, C-lab was one hour a week. The remaining 20+ was old fashioned classroom learning & play.

Computer exposure & screen learning in a healthy & managed environment is one tool in the tool box & a fantastic learning tool to excel your child’s development. They will ultimately be operating in this environment their entire lives, so exposure is vital to their learning about, understanding & operating within it.

I leveraged computers with my son early on - an old iMac at around 4y/o. Out of his class, he was the only child to know how to use a mouse to navigate the GUI in C-lab. That seems super basic and easy to learn but it was one less thing the teacher had to teach & more importantly made learning in that environment easier for him as school is a huge adjustment for any child. Also they’re tested on computers nowadays.

Screen time is a tough battle regardless with my kids. They are ALWAYS wanting it, so I can say from my own experience how easy it can be to lean on a screen too much. I combat that with all sorts of tasks from building lizard traps & bird feeders to folding airplane designs to legos & magnet tiles n other STEM toys they have to having “homework half hour” in summer lol (leveraging learning level books for 1st grade math & reading etc) to reading to my kids each night.All of this helps to give them structure & fill out their time outside of a screen. the story time is a surprising bonding opportunity as well & my boys (5 & 3) won’t go to bed without them anymore. Obviously we play some retro Mario or sonic on emus on that iMac too. Another fun wrapped up in learning bonding moment.
In late 1980 when I was 10 my dad brought home a TRS-80 CoCo. My mom was a teacher and ended up teaching Computer Science.

So, from the age of ten until I moved out and got married at 27, there was always some computer in the house. And I was on it for hours and hours. Had it taken away a few times, but always got it back.

I wouldn't call myself smart. I eventually figured out that just knowing stuff other people don't doesn't make you smart. But compared to all the people I went to school with that DIDN'T have computers or wasn't on them like I was - I was the smart one.

I meet and marry my wife, who really is smart - way smarter than I will ever be.

Anyway, my son is born in 2003. Between then and 2008 he gets a handful of educational 'computer' toys. At five, he gets a full on iBook G3. My daughter is born in 2008 and gravitates more towards handheld devices. She eventually has a series of computers as a kid on her own.

We didn't really put any limits on them, although we tried to have age appropriate games/apps for them. Both kids did not get phones until 15 for my son and 12 for my daughter.

In the meantime there is me. I'm on computers from the time I get up to the time I go to bed - both work and home computers. I can be on a computer for 16+ hours a day.

Both my kids have adopted this. There was a time we'd all go out to coffee shops and bring our computers. It was fun. My kids are Mac/PC literate.

My son went to a high school devoted entirely to tech. The Mayo clinic uses that school as a backup lab in Phoenix. I'd have killed to gone there as a teen. My daughter is artistic, she's had drawings and paintings in school art shows and that's what she does on her own. Although she's still using her phone a lot.

My son graduated with a scholarship and attends ASU for a degree in IT. He's starting his third year. My daughter starts 10th grade this year.

All three of us have dragged my wife into the modern age and she's tech/computer literate now, sometimes using two phones at one time. She has to be, she's a teacher and she deals with kids who grew up on this stuff. She got her BA degree in 2021 and is working on her Masters.

My entire point here is that compelling data or not, this isn't anything that has turned my family stupid. I think it's all about how it's being used.

In the 1980s when I grew up there was a major concern that the television was going to rot kids brains (because kids watched for four hours or more, OMG!!!!). I grew up with the TV on for background noise (latchkey kid). I did okay.
 

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My entire point here is that compelling data or not, this isn't anything that has turned my family stupid. I think it's all about how it's being used.

This is my point as well. I also have been fiddling with screen time in a c64 since my dad brought one home in the mid 80s. after reading the synopsis of the study/data, this was specific to damaging learning pathways of young people going into primary school. Also there was a distinction between screen use that builds synapse and cognitive ability like playing a Video game solving puzzles or using an app for emotional & cognitive education vs watching it like consumable screen driven media formats like YT or TT. You and I, we did not have this in the 80s as part of our computing experience, TV aside lol. I often have the same thought Ie: well I turned out ok or at least my wife thought so enough to marry me.

I would not go as far as to dismiss the data we’ve collected (especially through Covid-19 and the distance learning that was employed) but from this in 2023 how I interpret the data is moderation is key to screen time being a positive net gain for kids vs a loss.
 
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