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HistoryPhD (Hopefully)

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Hello, I am a new poster but a long time lurker. I have learned a lot not about computers in general, and Apple in particular, from reading many of the posts here. However, I must admit that I am nowhere near as technically astute as many of you when it comes to understanding what makes computers actually work and am the type of person that prays the computer turns on when I hit the power button. I am also relatively new to the Apple Ecosystem as prior to 2014 the only Apple product I owned was my iPod, which was purchased in 2007 and is, in my opinion, the best of all the portable music devices and though it left this world long ago, it is still deeply missed. (Got me through some tough times.) I did not purchase my first Apple computer until 2014 when the PC Laptop I was using ceased to serve as anything more useful than an incredibly expensive paperweight that would run hot each and every time it was turned on. I purchased, through George Mason University, (I was a graduate student there at the time and was working towards my MA in history) a 13 inch MacBook Pro and have never even remotely entertained the thought of getting another PC laptop as the weight difference alone made the latter pretty much useless as portable computer to carry, in addition to the books for class and research papers, with me as I walk to campus. I purchased another one in 2015 because I got tired of fighting with the now ex-girlfriend over using this computer, especially considering that I used it for school and she used it to watch YouTube and other things.

The MacBook Pro that I purchased in 2015 was one of the best computers that I have ever had the pleasure of using and other than the battery losing its capability to hold a charge seemed like a tank and one that would run forever. (I dropped it several times, including on a concrete sidewalk and while there were scratches and nicks in the chassis everything else ran smoothly without nary a hiccup.) However, I killed the laptop when I spilled a bottle of water on it during my preparation for my Comprehensive Exams in 2019. In spite of this, I still needed a computer and in the fall of 2019 purchased my current MacBook Air. While this computer has served its purpose there have been several issues with it beginning with shortly after I purchased it, including the battery not being able to hold its charge for as long as previous models, the sound being too low and barely audible, and the machine constantly running hot and often overheating. The only Apps I use are Microsoft Word, Safari, and Apple Music. (As someone with depression, ADHD and a touch of Aspergers, being able to listen to music while writing and researching is a Godsend.) Furthermore, while I have not experienced any really serious issues with the keyboard, I do find that the keys themselves are not as durable as they should be as both the space bar and the N key have gouges in them from what I have no idea.

Anyway, I am looking to purchase another MacBook Pro (not an Air although I do love the Midnight and Starlight colors) as I am in the process of writing and researching my dissertation. I am looking to purchase either the 14 or 16 inch models as the bigger screen is easier on my eyes both for reading eighteenth and nineteenth century documents and typing up my chapters. Moreover, the primary purpose of this machine is to conduct online research, listen to music, create power points slides for my courses when I finally get hired to teach, create presentations for talks and conferences, and write my dissertation and other scholarly pieces. I was wondering if anyone on this forum has purchased either of these machines and what there experiences were like? I am having a hard time deciding between the two and while I would like to purchase both, only one is feasible and I would like to make as much of an informed decision as I can when it comes time for me to make my purchase in either November or December. Any responses to my query are most appreciated.
 

plinden

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Honestly, the M2 MacBook Air would be sufficient for you. I expect that the screen size is an issue for you, but you wouldn't see a huge difference between the 13.6" screen on the Air (the previous Air was 13.3") and 14.2" on the Pro. There are rumors that there's going to be a 15" MBA early next year.

Bump up the specs on the Air as far as you can go. For a base 16" MacBook Pro, you pay $2500 (I guess you'll have a college discount) for 10 core CPU, 16GB RAM, and 512GB SSD. For your needs you don't need to consider the GPU.

For $2500 you could get the M2 MacBook Air with 8 core CPU, 24GB RAM, 2TB SSD

For the $2000 cost of a base 14" MBP you would get 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD (actually $1900)
 

Misheemee

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I have a base 14"MBP that I bought a few months ago and absolutely LOVE it!! Best computer I've ever owned!! The major differences between a 14" and a 16" are size (obviously!), the 16" battery life, and the portability due to size (some don't have any issues with the daily transport of either machine).

What size screen was your 2015 MBP? Where will you be using this MBP primarily - at home or will you take it with you everywhere?

Apple has a 14 day return window - go with your gut instinct and buy the one that you want, try it out in different use case scenarios, and if it isn't the one that you "need", exchange it for the other

truthfully, either the 14" or 16" will suit your purposes perfectly, it's merely a size difference that may impact your use of it
 

phrehdd

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I just retired a MBP 2015 myself. System indicated my batter needed servicing. The only issue I ever had was a couple of keys flecked (a friend was using it so I am clueless how that happened).

Either of the 14 and 16 will do what is needed.

If you move about, the 16" will be bulkier but obviously as a stand alone screen, far superior. When I say bulky, I don't mean just carrying weight, but where you can put it. It isn't really a good fit on a lap and in some vehicles (bus or plane or train) could be problematic. If you are like me where it will be put down on a surface such as a table or desk, then its a darn nice choice.

If you rarely travel and mostly connect your laptop to a monitor, maybe the 14" would be a nice fit and just deal with a smaller screen on rare occasions when you are traveling or in a class room. 14" honestly is a better fit for a classroom.
 

ursbraem

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I'm in a similar spot, I have a 2016 15" MBP and I want to refresh it soon. The purpose is web development, which involves running docker locally. I tend to 16GB which seems to be enough with the new architecture. Large screen is a must. I feel silly checking macrumors every two days for MBP (or MBA 15") rumors, but at the same time, It would feel odd to replace my current device by the late 2021 MBP right now. So I guess I have to wait for the next iteration and see.

Or anyone wanting to convince me it makes sense to upgrade now?
 

plinden

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I'm in a similar spot, I have a 2016 15" MBP and I want to refresh it soon. The purpose is web development, which involves running docker locally. I tend to 16GB which seems to be enough with the new architecture. Large screen is a must. I feel silly checking macrumors every two days for MBP (or MBA 15") rumors, but at the same time, It would feel odd to replace my current device by the late 2021 MBP right now. So I guess I have to wait for the next iteration and see.

Or anyone wanting to convince me it makes sense to upgrade now?
There won't be a (rumored) 15" MBA until next year, and the 14"/16" M1 MBPs didn't come out until a year after the M1 MBA. Apple may be able to shorten the time to release but no one seriously thinks there'll be new MBPs soon.

You'd notice a huge performance improvement between 2016 MBP and 2021 M1 Pro/Max MBP.

A MBP is suitable for your use case, but I don't think anyone is doing the OP any favors by recommending anything other than a bumped up M2 MBA. They aren't going to hit anywhere near its limits with Safari, Word and Apple Music, especially if they put the cash they'd spend on a 16" MBP to maxing the RAM and SSD.

My daughter is a senior in High School and is doing IB Music, part of which requires she composes music, and she does it on the M1 MBA. She started with an Intel MBA but it wasn't working for her so we upgraded her in the Spring. It was shortly before the M2 announcement but we don't regret buying it. She needed it and this will last her through college.
 
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wilberforce

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The 14" MBP (which I have) is basically the same in overall size and weight as the 2015 13" MPB (which I also had, and you apparently had). Just the screen itself is slightly larger, and the trackpad is larger. So this should give you a pretty good idea of how the 14" would feel.
 
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HistoryPhD (Hopefully)

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Sorry about my late response. I have been involved in trying to finish various job applications for college teaching positions. (Funds are in need of replenishing, as well as teaching helps on the professional development side of things) I appreciate all the responses and the time many of you tool to answer my question. It is very much appreciated.
 

HistoryPhD (Hopefully)

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The 14" MBP (which I have) is basically the same in overall size and weight as the 2015 13" MPB (which I also had, and you apparently had). Just the screen itself is slightly larger, and the trackpad is larger. So this should give you a pretty good idea of how the 14" would feel.
Thanks. I was concerned about the weight as I would be lugging not jet the laptop, but books as well. Not having a car means that right now, I am literally walking everywhere (though it has not really impacted MY weight) so weight of the ;laptop is something to consider. I loved my 2015 MacBook Pro and it served me well as went through the final year of my MA program and had I not spilled a bottle of water right after completing my comprehensive exams (I was mentally exhausted and was not very careful) on the keyboard, I would still be using it now, so I am glad to hear that the 14 inch MacBook weighs about the same.
 

lostPod

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I plan on purchasing an M1 at some point -- ive always used Swappa.com -- never had any issues.
 

HistoryPhD (Hopefully)

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I just retired a MBP 2015 myself. System indicated my batter needed servicing. The only issue I ever had was a couple of keys flecked (a friend was using it so I am clueless how that happened).

Either of the 14 and 16 will do what is needed.

If you move about, the 16" will be bulkier but obviously as a stand alone screen, far superior. When I say bulky, I don't mean just carrying weight, but where you can put it. It isn't really a good fit on a lap and in some vehicles (bus or plane or train) could be problematic. If you are like me where it will be put down on a surface such as a table or desk, then its a darn nice choice.

If you rarely travel and mostly connect your laptop to a monitor, maybe the 14" would be a nice fit and just deal with a smaller screen on rare occasions when you are traveling or in a class room. 14" honestly is a better fit for a classroom.
The computer will basically be both on a desk and as something I will be taking with em, especially traveling to various archives and conducting research in the necessary collections. Weight and portability are huge factors, as I take my laptop wherever I go often in the company of books, and I basically walk pretty much everywhere as I do not own a car at the moment (and my home environment is much too stressful and depressing for me to concentrate enough to get anything done.)
 

HistoryPhD (Hopefully)

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There won't be a (rumored) 15" MBA until next year, and the 14"/16" M1 MBPs didn't come out until a year after the M1 MBA. Apple may be able to shorten the time to release but no one seriously thinks there'll be new MBPs soon.

You'd notice a huge performance improvement between 2016 MBP and 2021 M1 Pro/Max MBP.

A MBP is suitable for your use case, but I don't think anyone is doing the OP any favors by recommending anything other than a bumped up M2 MBA. They aren't going to hit anywhere near its limits with Safari, Word and Apple Music, especially if they put the cash they'd spend on a 16" MBP to maxing the RAM and SSD.

My daughter is a senior in High School and is doing IB Music, part of which requires she composes music, and she does it on the M1 MBA. She started with an Intel MBA but it wasn't working for her so we upgraded her in the Spring. It was shortly before the M2 announcement but we don't regret buying it. She needed it and this will last her through college.
That is awesome to hear about your daughter being a music major and being able to compose music. I admire anyone who has the ability and the guts to pursue their passion. As someone who started college not having a clue as to what I wanted to do with my life (I started out as an engineering major even though I hate math) and when changing majors was not allowed to pursue my passion for history and all things historical (long story as to why I couldn't, I ended up and an education major (ten weeks of student teaching eight graders finished any hopes I had of surviving a full academic year, let alone a career teaching in secondary schools) and spending nearly two decades toiling away in misery working in a local grocery store chain, I believe that anyone pursuing their passion should be applauded and encouraged.

I would like to stay away from the MacAir. I have an Intel 13 inch MacAir now and while I have not had any trouble with it and it has done nearly everything I have asked the machine to do (including surviving being dropped from about 4-5 feet in the air onto a concrete sidewalk, yes I am that clumsy, and storing nearly 21,000 songs) the 13 inch screen is simply much too small and with the severe constraints on my budget getting an external display is next too impossible, which is why I am looking at the 14 or 16 inch MacBooks. One of things that I am going to be reading are photographs of seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth century letters and documents (see the attached for an example) and the bigger screen helps tremendously with being able to do that.
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Yes, I know that I probably will never push the machine to its limits and that is perfectly okay with me.
 

plinden

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ComputerActual Screen sizeSpecsUS academic price
MacBook Air base 13.6"M2 8-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD$1,099
MacBook Air closest specs to 14" or 16" base13.6"M2 8-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD$1,579
MacBook Air highest specs13.6"M2 8-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 24GB RAM, 2TB SSD$2,299
MacBook Pro 14" base 14.2"M1 Pro 8-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD$1,849
MacBook Pro 14" specs same as 16" base14.2"M1 Pro 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD$2,119
MacBook Pro 15" base16.2"M1 Pro 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD$2,299

Only you can decide, but take a look at the table above. I don't think you gain much on screen size when looking at the 14" MBP, and you would pay $180 more for the 16" over the 14", but a MB Air with similar specs (excluding the GPUs) is $720 less than the 16" base model, and you can get a very good 4K monitor with USB-C charging for less than that. There's $270 difference between the specced out MBA above and the base 14" MBP which wouldn't get you a 4k monitor, but would go a long way towards it. Incidentally, if you're looking at handwritten documents I don't think you should look for anything less than a 4k monitor if you decide to get one.

Otherwise, maybe wait if you can for a few months to see if Apple releases the rumored 15" MBA. There's a big gap in the line up between the $1,199 (full price) base MBA and the $1,999 (full price) base MBP 14" that's calling out for a larger "non-Pro" laptop.

Of course, if you want the 16" MBP go ahead. I won't judge you.
 

Bodhitree

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The main thing with buying an M1 14” or 16” MacBook Pro now is when the M2 versions come out. With the M1 there was a year between the base M1 and the M1 Pro and M1 Max, so since the base M2 was released June 2022, I think the earliest we can expect the new M2 MacBook Pro’s in spring 2023. Which makes now not a bad time to buy, really.

You can find some decent deals on the 16” M1 Pro MacBook Pro on Amazon and elsewhere, a good 500 euros off for basic configurations locally here in Europe. I’d advise you to shop around.
 

meson

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OP, congrats on pursuing your passion! It's worth it. After I finished my PhD I spent a year teaching 9-12 grade physics at a private school, and yes that late middle school to early high school age group will try anyone's patience. I'm just glad that you circled back to it. Adjuncting provides some great experience and will make a big difference if you pursue a non-tenure track teaching focused position in the future as well as make you more appealing at research universities with a strong teaching focus. Keep up the hard work. Since you passed your qualifiers, it really is just a matter of time.

Now, as much as a 14" or 16" MBP is my dream machine for day-to-day work and running much of my research analyses, I have a very hard time justifying the expense. Personally, I opt for a 13" laptop and an external display. Even with the extra screen size of the 16" MBP, you are still going to struggle to fit everything you want to look at on one screen. What I've settled on over the years while working on my PhD and after is to keep the document I'm working on on the laptop and other supporting materials on the external display.

I know it's not the advice you want to hear, but in your shoes, I would give the M2 Air with a 32" 4k external display a very strong look. You should be able to do so at very similar cost when compared to a 16" MBP.

Since you are looking at the purchase a couple months out, why not talk to the IT folks at your university? See if they will provide an external display for your campus office (if you have one). If they are stubborn about it, see if your PhD advisor will request one that you can use. You won't necessarily get pick of the litter and they likely won't order one to spec for you, but if there are extras laying around odds are good they'll let you use it as a grad student. Test it, see if it works for you, and then you'll know for certain which direction you might want to go in a couple of months.
 
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