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M1 Mac Metro Exodus medium settings - Rossetta 2

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jeanlain

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And this is using moltenVK, a translation layer that, as every translation layer, cannot really generate optimised Metal code. moltenVK is not yet M1 native and eats CPU cycles.
Forget about all the goodness Metal brings to the M1 GPU, TBDR specific optimisations and all that stuff. What we have here more or less a translation of an X86 Vulkan Linux game engine (itself ported from the DirectX version I suppose).
Still not too bad.
 
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mi7chy

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It's not optimized if it's running under Rosetta 2 and it's hitting lows of 18fps so you probably want to try 900p at low quality to maintain higher playable frame rate closer to 60fps. Better off just streaming it on Stadia.
 
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leman

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So basically a passively cooled laptop with total SoC power of around 10 watts running non-native ISA delivers more of less the same performance as a 1650 Max-Q.

Imagine if the game were actually optimized for Apple GPUs…
 
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jeanlain

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leman said:
So basically a passively cooled laptop with total SoC power of around 10 watts running non-native ISA delivers more of less the same performance as a 1650 Max-Q.
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More like 15W during gaming, which is still very modest.
I'd be surprised if the 1650 Max-Q did not perform much better than the M1 on that game. Do you have a link?

EDIT: Here's one: https://www.gpucheck.com/compare-ga...-1650-mobile-vs-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1650-max-q
That's about 2X more fps than the M1.
 
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leman

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jeanlain said:
More like 15W during gaming, which is still very modest.
I'd be surprised if the 1650 Max-Q did not perform much better than the M1 on that game. Do you have a link?

EDIT: Here's one: https://www.gpucheck.com/compare-ga...-1650-mobile-vs-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1650-max-q
That's about 2X more fps than the M1.
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I took my benchmarks from https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1650-Max-Q-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.418763.0.html whom I generally consider to be trustworthy.

The results you link don’t make much sense to me. First, the difference between non max-Q and max-Q version is definitely not this small, second, there are no laptops with an i7-8700K, and third, those scores are way too high For the mobile 1650. Looking at benchmarks from reputable reviewers it’s probably a full 75W desktop 1650, maybe even the super version, or maybe something completely different (just do image search for metro exodus 1650 and look at the graphs). Websites like gpuchec, cpumonkey etc are garbage, they just put some random data to increase ad traffic. One should look at verified benchmark data. At any rate, 30 FPS in full hd@medium is a desktop GTX 1050 Ti, which should roughly translate to mobile 1650 levels.
 
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jeanlain

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I'm lost. That video shows the GTX 1650 Max Q at 40+ fps on ultra settings, while notebookcheck indicates 22 fps with the same settings, in agreement with the link I posted (though results with medium settings are inconsistent).
Maybe it depends a lot on the scene that is played.

Something to consider also is how the video is recorded. On the M1, it may be done with some sort of screen capture app, which does impact fps during gaming.
 
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leman

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jeanlain said:
I'm lost. That video shows the GTX 1650 Max Q at 40+ fps on ultra settings, while notebookcheck indicates 22 fps with the same settings, in agreement with the link I posted (though results with medium settings are inconsistent).
Maybe it depends a lot on the scene that is played.

Something to consider also is how the video is recorded. On the M1, it may be done with some sort of screen capture app, which does impact fps during gaming.
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I’ve looked at some other videos of 1650 mobile at ultra and they show 30-ish FPS in open world scenes. Video linked above does not specify exact settings, so I don’t know how informative it is. But yeah, it will probably depend a lot on scene selection. Does Metro have a built in benchmark tool? Been a while that I played it, didn’t really like the last game, too cheesy for my taste :)
 
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jeanlain

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I looks that the Mac version doesn't have the benchmark tool. :(
As for the game itself. The voice acting sounds terrible, and NPC movement during cut scenes look off, which would break the immersion for me.
It's not the only game that does this though. Do actors tend to think that a game is Shakespeare play, a soap opera or something, or are they just plain bad?
 
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jeanlain said:
Something to consider also is how the video is recorded. On the M1, it may be done with some sort of screen capture app, which does impact fps during gaming.
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Probably smart enough to use an external video capture device otherwise they'll mention software capture and hit to fps.
 
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jeanlain

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mi7chy said:
Probably smart enough to use an external video capture device otherwise they'll mention software capture and hit to fps.
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That YouTuber said in the comments of another video that he was using Quicktime to record gameplay. In my experience, this has a significant impact on performance.
 
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leman

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I would compare them side by side on my 16” and the M1 pro but I don’t really feel like spending $$$ on a game I’m not interested in for Macrumors ?
 
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jeanlain said:
That YouTuber said in the comments of another video that he was using Quicktime to record gameplay. In my experience, this has a significant impact on performance.
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Gave him benefit of the doubt since search for 'video capture' on his channel showed nothing. I normally watch PC benchmarkers and they have the common sense to use external hardware video capture or at least mention software video capture and hit to fps. More reason not to watch Apple benchmarkers since they lack experience and common sense.
 
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I don't think it's a matter of common sense, most likely this person simply doesn't have access to video capturing hardware and is producing these as a hobby of sorts.
It'd be nice if they included their methodology, that is certain, but I don't think it's any kind of a personal failing.
On topic: looks like it runs decent enough! I'm wondering whether we'll ever see native ports of modern games on AS. UE4 and Unity are quite popular and have ARM support, so there's definitely some hope (I do have a PS5 for gaming, but having native games on my mini is also cool).
 
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Homy

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mi7chy said:
Gave him benefit of the doubt since search for 'video capture' on his channel showed nothing. I normally watch PC benchmarkers and they have the common sense to use external hardware video capture or at least mention software video capture and hit to fps. More reason not to watch Apple benchmarkers since they lack experience and common sense.
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Such a biased opinion to say Apple benchmarkers lack experience and common sense, but I'm not surprised it's coming from you as others already have noticed that you only go around in this forum to find something to complain about Apple, Macs and Mac users. Maybe more reason for you to not hang around such forums since people here lack experience and common sense. Otherwise it's you lacking common sense by staying and torturing yourself, but again maybe pain is your pleasure.

Nothing wrong with not using hardware as long as one tells about it like he has. Maybe not consistently but he doesn't lie about it. Not everyone can/wants to buy expensive capture devices. At least it will be a pleasant surprise when you get more frame rates than him when you run it yourself.
 
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jeanlain

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mi7chy said:
Gave him benefit of the doubt since search for 'video capture' on his channel showed nothing. I normally watch PC benchmarkers and they have the common sense to use external hardware video capture or at least mention software video capture and hit to fps. More reason not to watch Apple benchmarkers since they lack experience and common sense.
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He's not a "benchmarker". He just posts videos to show games that run on M1 Macs.
 
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mi7chy

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At least I stick to facts and not spreading misinformation like you.
 
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