Anyone know yet whether the M5 iPad Pro is going to feature a Display Pulse Smoothing (PWM) accessibility option a là iPhones 17/Air?
I for one am most curious….
I for one am most curious….
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Or, hopefully, the appearance of Display Pulse Smoothing is not primarily because of new display characteristics, but because Apple finally acknowledges the issue and decided to add a customisation.
It appears that there is no such option according to Reddit.
However, interestingly, the new iPad Pro appears to use DC dimming at brightnesses above 50% according to the German Notebookcheck review. They mention it in the Display section, translated as "We still measure PWM flickering at 240 Hz, but DC dimming with a lower amplitude is now used above a brightness of 50%". The PWM graphs also appear to show DC dimming at 100% and 75% brightness. Wonder if this may alleviate some issues so long as the brightness is above 50%.
However, interestingly, the new iPad Pro appears to use DC dimming at brightnesses above 50% according to the German Notebookcheck review. They mention it in the Display section, translated as "We still measure PWM flickering at 240 Hz, but DC dimming with a lower amplitude is now used above a brightness of 50%". The PWM graphs also appear to show DC dimming at 100% and 75% brightness. Wonder if this may alleviate some issues so long as the brightness is above 50%.
Can confirm 100% it's not there. I've got an iPhone Air and an M5 iPad Pro here. The option is there on the iPhone Air and not on the iPad Pro.
I am a bit confused after reading that review in german. Is that really DC dimming as they wrote above 50%? DC dimming should look like a straight line, with no dips, but the graph still shows the dips at 75% brightness.
Another question, the graph at 0% brightness is a straight line. Does that mean that if I slide the brightness at the minimum, I will not have PWM?
Another question, the graph at 0% brightness is a straight line. Does that mean that if I slide the brightness at the minimum, I will not have PWM?
This is the english version. Should help
[https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple...remely-fast-M5-SoC-and-Wi-Fi-7.1143628.0.html]
I am still confused about it and have the same questions. They state DC dimming is used above 50% but I don’t see it on the graph for 75% brightness (or I interpret the graph wrongly). Also the question remains about 0% brightness where on the graph the line is almost straight and no flickering appears. Would sliding the brightness to the lowest level remove the flickering entirely, or is that setting not considered 0% brightness?
if I understand correctly, DC dimming is not going to have a completely flat waveform and will often have a short dip corresponding to each refresh of the display:
Analysis: DC Dimming vs. PWM – Can you dim AMOLED displays without the flickering?
Some smartphone users have a problem: The AMOLED display of their smartphone causes them headaches, because it flickers at low brightness. DC dimming might be a solution for this. We explain the new technology in this article and evaluate the advantages looking at two examples.
www.notebookcheck.net
However, there seems to be more dips than 120Hz, so it might be some hybrid between DC and PWM dimming. The depth of the dips is quite small though so probably is easier on the eyes. See the waveform for M4 iPad Pro as comparison below - it’s quite a lot worse.
Apple iPad Pro 11 2024 tablet review – Lighter, slimmer, and lightning fast
For years, creative users and entertainment fans have had a blast on the iPad Pro, and now Apple presents an update: The 11-inch model is getting slimmer and is supposed to offer more battery life and performance. OLED is now used as the display technology. We take a detailed look at the...
www.notebookcheck.net
I may be wrong on the above so feel free to correct me
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As the above posts indicate, there are changes
anyone try a new one that was previously sensitive? too lazy to drive 30 mins to Apple Store to only verify same issue.
To be fair, i know what Apple is doing.
They want users to connect to a monitor to alleviate the problem. That's why they pushed the M5 to 4k/120
That's how they can get away with it on Macbooks. All Macbooks including M1-M5 have PWM, but very small # of people complain since they just connect to monitor by default.
They want users to connect to a monitor to alleviate the problem. That's why they pushed the M5 to 4k/120
That's how they can get away with it on Macbooks. All Macbooks including M1-M5 have PWM, but very small # of people complain since they just connect to monitor by default.
I was just at the Apple Store trading in toward/picking up an M5 MacBook Pro and completely forgot to look at the new iPads…sorry, folks 
However I did see many peeps picking up the new M5 iPad Pro; the clerk assisting me even said they were definitely more popular than the equivalent MacBook at this juncture as many are likely holding out for the M5 Pro/Max/16” MacBooks.
However I did see many peeps picking up the new M5 iPad Pro; the clerk assisting me even said they were definitely more popular than the equivalent MacBook at this juncture as many are likely holding out for the M5 Pro/Max/16” MacBooks.
if I understand correctly, DC dimming is not going to have a completely flat waveform and will often have a short dip corresponding to each refresh of the display:
Analysis: DC Dimming vs. PWM – Can you dim AMOLED displays without the flickering?
Some smartphone users have a problem: The AMOLED display of their smartphone causes them headaches, because it flickers at low brightness. DC dimming might be a solution for this. We explain the new technology in this article and evaluate the advantages looking at two examples.
However, there seems to be more dips than 120Hz, so it might be some hybrid between DC and PWM dimming. The depth of the dips is quite small though so probably is easier on the eyes. See the waveform for M4 iPad Pro as comparison below - it’s quite a lot worse.
Apple iPad Pro 11 2024 tablet review – Lighter, slimmer, and lightning fast
For years, creative users and entertainment fans have had a blast on the iPad Pro, and now Apple presents an update: The 11-inch model is getting slimmer and is supposed to offer more battery life and performance. OLED is now used as the display technology. We take a detailed look at the...
I may be wrong on the above so feel free to correct me
Thanks for the explanation, it makes sense. I look forward to reading more insights and user’s experiences compared to M4.
In the Reddit thread mentioned above some people have also posted about Display Pulse Smoothing being there out of the box with OS 26.0, but disappearing after updating to 26.0.1. Someone even managed to get a screenshot.
So something's not quite right here... I can think of three explanations:
1. The option was left there accidentally (due to shared codebase with iOS) but was not functional due to lack of hardware support in the M5 displays. No hope in this case.
2. The option was removed in 26.0.1 by mistake and will come back in 26.0.2. Please be so!
3. As the displays come from multiple suppliers, maybe they found out after mass production that some batches of displays did not play well with the option turned on – too much color shift etc... So Apple removed it and it may or may not come back after further refinement.
So something's not quite right here... I can think of three explanations:
1. The option was left there accidentally (due to shared codebase with iOS) but was not functional due to lack of hardware support in the M5 displays. No hope in this case.
2. The option was removed in 26.0.1 by mistake and will come back in 26.0.2. Please be so!
3. As the displays come from multiple suppliers, maybe they found out after mass production that some batches of displays did not play well with the option turned on – too much color shift etc... So Apple removed it and it may or may not come back after further refinement.
No matter which way Apple uses to adjust screen brightness on the M5 iPad Pro, I think the subjective comfort of my eyes is what matters most. If my eyes feel better—no soreness or strain—then I don’t really care how the brightness is controlled. This week, I plan to visit an Apple Store and test it out by dimming the screen and using it for at least half an hour to see how my eyes feel. Last year, I bought the M4 iPad Pro but ended up returning it because it was uncomfortable for my eyes, severe eye strain.