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byewinblows

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May 15, 2005
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Hi Guys, after 3 years with windows and 5 years with linux, i'm converting to Mac, i'm still running Linux on my powermac, but wanted to give tiger a try on my new mac mini.

I got couple questions

1. Do i need to defrag my harddrive on MAC like windows? or i can ignore it like i did on ReiserFS

2. Do i need anti virus for tiger or i can also ignore it like on linux

Thanks for your help in advance :p
 

buryyourbrideau

macrumors 65816
Mar 1, 2005
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Chicago
byewinblows said:
Hi Guys, after 3 years with windows and 5 years with linux, i'm converting to Mac, i'm still running Linux on my powermac, but wanted to give tiger a try on my new mac mini.

I got couple questions

1. Do i need to defrag my harddrive on MAC like windows? or i can ignore it like i did on ReiserFS

2. Do i need anti virus for tiger or i can also ignore it like on linux

Thanks for your help in advance :p

no to defrag and no to anti virus BABY!!!!

welcome to mac osx :)

hope your experience is as enjoyable as mine has been so far :D
 

mkrishnan

Moderator emeritus
Jan 9, 2004
29,776
15
Grand Rapids, MI, USA
byewinblows said:
Hi Guys, after 3 years with windows and 5 years with linux, i'm converting to Mac, i'm still running Linux on my powermac, but wanted to give tiger a try on my new mac mini.

I got couple questions

1. Do i need to defrag my harddrive on MAC like windows? or i can ignore it like i did on ReiserFS

2. Do i need anti virus for tiger or i can also ignore it like on linux

Thanks for your help in advance :p

(1) - I don't know what ReiserFS is, but yes, you can ignore it. There are a bunch of reasons why, but basically, small files are automatically defragged, and in general HFS+ will take care of itself. There are more detailed threads here on that topic.

(2) - Basically yes, for the same reasons. If you got away with it in Linux, you should be fine in OS X too. The same basic reason for AV in both cases applies -- protecting Windows computers / users with whom you work from viruses on windows files that are passing through your machine. Also, actually, I'm not sure how many of the virus programs have been updated to OS X. But there are no known viruses or worms for OS X, and only a couple of Trojans (a couple of years ago) which you are unlikely to see / fall for.
 

feakbeak

macrumors 6502a
Oct 16, 2003
925
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Michigan
Abstract said:
I believe that when you install a program and it "Optimizes your Hard disk," that is how the Mac keeps things (somewhat) defragmented. Don't know for sure, though.
If I recall correctly, the hard drive defragging is done on the fly under OS X. There are some exceptions based on file size or something... I don't recall the details. The "optimizing" that occurs after installations is pre-binding which is used to speed up the launching and use of an application.
 

PlaceofDis

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Jan 6, 2004
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the optimization is actually prebinding for the app at hand and helps with the speed and lunch of apps, but defragging is done on the fly for most files, unless they are over 2 gigs or something like that i think, not sure about the exact size limits
 

mkrishnan

Moderator emeritus
Jan 9, 2004
29,776
15
Grand Rapids, MI, USA
Abstract said:
I believe that when you install a program and it "Optimizes your Hard disk," that is how the Mac keeps things (somewhat) defragmented. Don't know for sure, though.

I've heard that the optimizing is actually updating prebindings, but one way or another, it works. :)

This is actually the full text from a document on Apple's website that discusses this issue.

Disk optimization
In the past, many Mac users have relied on disk optimization to improve access times when reading files from a hard drive. As files are changed and the hard drive fills up, parts of a single file may be stored in different locations on the volume. In other words, the file becomes fragmented. Disk optimization streamlines the physical locations of files by collecting file fragments and putting them back together in contiguous parts of the drive. Rearranging files (and metadata) improves data access times and minimizes the time required to move the hard drive’s read/write head. However, if a failure (such as power loss) occurs during optimization, files can be damaged, and you will need to restore them from a backup copy.
Once you have migrated to Mac OS X, you may not need to optimize your disk at all.

Here’s why:

• Hard disk capacity is generally much greater now than a few years ago.With more space available, the file system doesn’t need to fill up every nook and cranny.

• The Mac OS Extended (HFS+) file system format avoids reusing space from deleted files as much as possible.This avoids prematurely filling small areas of recently freed space.

• Mac OS X v10.2 and later versions include delayed allocation for volumes that use the Mac OS Extended format.This design allows a number of small allocations to be combined into a single large allocation in one area of the disk.

• Fragmentation was often caused by continually appending data to existing files.With faster hard drives and better caching, as well as changes to the ways applications work on Mac OS X, many applications simply rewrite the entire file each time. Mac OS X Panther can also automatically defragment such slow-growing files.

• Aggressive read-ahead and write-behind caching means that minor fragmentation has less effect on perceived system performance.

• Mac OS X systems have hundreds of thousands of small files, most of which are rarely accessed. Optimizing them is a major effort for very little practical gain.There is also a chance that one of the files designated for rapid reads during system startup might be moved during defragmentation, which would actually decrease performance.

For all of those reasons, there is usually little benefit to defragmenting a hard drive on a Mac OS X system. However, if your disks are almost full and you often modify or create large files, there’s a chance they could be fragmented. In this case, they might benefit from defragmentation. A number of third-party utilities are available for this purpose.
 

JzzTrump22

macrumors 65816
Apr 13, 2004
1,229
0
New York
byewinblows said:
Hi Guys, after 3 years with windows and 5 years with linux, i'm converting to Mac, i'm still running Linux on my powermac, but wanted to give tiger a try on my new mac mini.

I got couple questions

1. Do i need to defrag my harddrive on MAC like windows? or i can ignore it like i did on ReiserFS

2. Do i need anti virus for tiger or i can also ignore it like on linux

Thanks for your help in advance :p

You need to repair permissions on a weekly basis to keep your system running at max. Don't get virus software, it will only mess up your computer.
 
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