MP 7,1 Mac pro 2019 vs Macbook Pro 5600

[val3rie]

Hi, after watching this video, I’m concerned..

I was planing on getting the Mac Pro 16 core, 96 ram, Radeon Pro Vega II Duo, 2 To disc.
It’s bigger that the one in the video, but would the 16’ MacBook Pro 5600 be as powerful, for Motion Design After Effects use and Adobe premiere editing? (Max of 4 videos in 4K mutlicam)
Wondering if I would get the same speed for cheaper..
Best way to know would be to compare both on projects, but that's not possible

 

[LEOMODE]

Same here! I have 2010 Mac Pro and I thought it's time for me to move on. But I see this and 5600M is so powerful! I was also planning to get 16 core 48GB RAM 5700XT and 4TB SSD.

I guess the only downside to it is fan noise, thermal control and lack of expandability/ports. But this can be a cheaper choice if you want to upgrade every now and then!

 

[LeonPro]

I saw this video, too, and while bang for buck the MBP 16 5600M is the goal - they serve different purposes.

To put it frankly if one is able to compare between being doing work on a laptop versus a desktop - then you don't need a desktop.

For professionals like myself where processor performance is only but one factor, the other equally important factors being internal containment and expandability, communication speed in having direct access to PCIe bus, upgradability, and repairability - a desktop is the only option.

The price to pay for all this that's housed in an awesome design and build worthy of being in a museum - I'd happily pay the Apple tax.

And to be fair, if there was a PC manufacturer that can come as close to this kind of case design and material I'd also pay for that and happily replace my Asus ROG desktop.

In terms of having a laptop, it's very handy for me when on the go. It was useful to and from when I was travelling. It's equally useful now to and from bed and couch without having to fire up the 1,400W desktop.

 

[val3rie]

So do you think a future MacBook Pro 16’ ARM could be more powerfull than a Macpro 2019, 16 core, 96 ram, Radeon Vega II duo? for export purpose?
Or a Mac Pro would always be more powerfull than a laptop due to the specific graphic card?

 

[LeonPro]

The Mac Pro has the potential now. It’s very efficient to avoid thermal throttling for longer than any laptop can withstand.

The limitation is the app that is able to take advantage of the Mac Pro multi core and the GPU.

Adobe doesn’t. It isn’t able to use all the cores and doesn’t take full advantage of the GPU.

You‘re better off using Windows PC for Adobe.

Now FCP or Resolve is another story.

Will the story change with Arm and Adobe during the first release? I don’t know but I doubt. I hope they surprise me though if they have secretly been working on an Arm optimized version. If they did, that first MBP 16 arm laptop release has the potential to be faster only because Adobe optimized their software.

 

[JMacHack]

So do you think a future MacBook Pro 16’ ARM could be more powerfull than a Macpro 2019, 16 core, 96 ram, Radeon Vega II duo? for export purpose?
Or a Mac Pro would always be more powerfull than a laptop due to the specific graphic card?

The answer like all answers to technical questions is "it depends"
The Macbook Pro's GPU might be faster than the Vega II Duo (because of many factors of the Vega/GCN architecture being ass) and the CPU being just as fast as the Xeon in this case.

However, the Mac Pro 7,1 has other benefits not listed:
1. More RAM, which means you'll be able to multitask easier or have (potentially) more effects going on at the same time without swapping from the (slower) SSD.
2. The Xeon has more cache, which means more data stored on the CPU, which could result in more speed.
3. The Mac Pro has ECC RAM, which means less chance of errors in long exports.
4. You can upgrade the GPU in the future should you so choose.

Right now, the MacBook Pro is faster, but the Mac Pro may be faster in the future. Likewise, the Mac Pro has the potential to be upgraded, where the MacBook Pro does not.

 

[val3rie]

You say that "right now" the MacBook Pro is faster? the actual MacBook pro, really? vs 16core, 96 ram, Radeon Vega II ?
And when you say in te begining "and the CPU being just as fast as the Xeon in this case." you are talking of the future ARM processor?

 

[fritzzzzzz]

MacBook Pro 5600M model is faster than Mac Pro's GPU or perform close to high end Mac Pro GPUs? 5600M is powerful if you consider it is a laptop computer but it is not even close to Mac Pro in all perspectives for long term use to professional not YouTuber. see the figure, open CL and metal score are around 40K-ish on 5600M, same as 580X and the charge is around the same as Mac Pro 580x cost. 5600M it is just for short duration blast because of the performance eventually gets affected by the physical design as notebook is just a notebook

 

[val3rie]

the graphic card i'm interested in for the Macpro is the Radeon Vega II duo, it's faster than the 580X
and compare to MacBook Pro 5600M?

 

[fritzzzzzz]

Vega II duo is a lot faster than 580x; 580x offers the same level of performance on 5600M

 

[val3rie]

And we don't know how ARM Macbook Pro will be in term of graphic card, since it will all be in one chip right?

 

[fritzzzzzz]

we don't know the details of ARM's graphic card/chipset on the future Mac Pro.... despite it is powerful, I assume that it won't deliver to the same performance that Vega Pro Duo offers. It is just different level.

 

[DFP1989]

The 5600M performance certainly is impressive, but there is no way I could stand the noise of a MBP day after day at my desk when editing.

I have a 16-inch with the 8GB 5500M (ordered on launch day), and while it’s a great machine and invaluable on the road, I love the silence of my desktop (previously a Hack, now a MP 7,1) when I’m in the office.

 

[val3rie]

we don't know the details of ARM's graphic card/chipset on the future Mac Pro.... despite it is powerful, I assume that it won't deliver to the same performance that Vega Pro Duo offers. It is just different level.

I was more worried that an ARM Macbook Pro would be more powerfull that Macpro Vega Pro Duo with 16 core

 

[pldelisle]

Adobe doesn’t. It isn’t able to use all the cores and doesn’t take full advantage of the GPU.

You‘re better off using Windows PC for Adobe.

When Macs will be shipped with Apple Silicon, this whole story will change. Adobe doesn't have the choice to rewrite completely its engine in Metal. And if they doesn't, Apple will inject money to make it happen.

Mac Pro with ARM Apple Silicon will likely not be released before Q1 or Q3 2022. But I'm pretty sure that the GPU in this Apple SoC will be better than anything else you can pick in a today's Mac Pro.

 

[tanoanian]

I have both. There is no comparison. The 16" macbook pro is a leafblower and the thermals suck.

The entire premise of this comparison is laughable.

 

[fritzzzzzz]

I was more worried that an ARM Macbook Pro would be more powerfull that Macpro Vega Pro Duo with 16 core

one day, of course, Apple ARM chip will be faster than Mac Pro intel CPU with Vega Pro Duo. however, it really depends on your needs. if you need the machine now, you get it now. it is no point to wait for sth that we don't know

 

[patrick.a]

This video made me cancel my subscription to Max Tech on Youtube. Advising people to sell a Mac Pro for a Macbook after half a year of use seems like pure click bait without much substance behind it. As @LeonPro said already, if your workflow is possible on a Macbook, you never needed the Mac Pro in the first place. Also, power is so much more than pure benchmark numbers!

I'm waiting for my Mac Pro to arrive. Been working on my MBP 2018 for the last couple of months and it's been quite a ride. The battery is swollen because it's not really made to be used as a desktop replacement and charged all the time. The thermals completely gave up by now - as soon as I do anything other than Mail or Safari the fans spin up. The GPU is on its limits with the LG 5K and there's no way to change that (not going eGPU for sure!). I was considering a new MBP for half the price of a MP but honestly, as long es Apple sells these overheating Intel-books, I don't think they are a sustainable investment for an intensive workflow.