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cinclodes

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I have been an owner of many Mac Pros during the past 20 years. I have done firmware updates many times, including routine updates long ago and those that have become more challenging in recent years. I have used approaches described at various sites for upgrading from 4,1 to 5,1 and for upgrading to run High Sierra. In some cases, it has gone smoothly. In other cases, it has been an ordeal -- even though it was the same task and the same approach. Others have reported similar problems.

A recent upgrade from 4,1 to 5,1 was particularly difficult. I first had to upgrade to OS 10.9 so that a USB wifi would work. I tried the approach described here. As others mention in the discussion at that site, I kept getting the 5530 error. After the better part of a day of trying various things, I finally got it to work after updating to OS 10.11. For some reason, it wouldn't work under OS 10.9 on that particular computer. In order to complete one of the steps, I had to set the time of the computer back to early 2016.

I have had mixed results updating firmware for High Sierra. In some cases, it has gone smoothly. In other cases, it has been an hours-long ordeal as others have reported. When problems arise, I have found part of the long description from August 9, 2018, here to be useful. This approach involves a modified version of High Sierra that will install without the firmware update. This approach has worked for a few cases in which I wasn't able to find any other way to get the job done. After installing the modified OS, I was then able to do the firmware update.

I would like to thank those who have come up with ways of updating firmware on these machines, but it would be nice if someone could find a fool-proof approach. There ought to be a way that would make it possible to do this in a matter of minutes. In some cases, however, it turns out to be an ordeal. In some of those cases, it became a blur of trying different ideas, and I can't recall exactly how I finally got it to work.
 
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tsialex

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All the caveats of upgrading High Sierra and Mojave BootROMs are described in the first post of the thread below:

 
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cinclodes

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All the caveats of upgrading High Sierra and Mojave BootROMs are described in the first post of the thread below:

Thanks! I have perused that thread many times. I am very appreciative to those who compile such information, but it reads like instructions for brain surgery. I have had problems updating Mac Pros that were identical in configuration to other Mac Pros for which there was no problem. Nothing in those instructions seems to account for such experiences.
 

Borowski

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And what were your problems exactly?

The crossflashing process with Netkas tool is outdated, since it is possible to directly update the bootrom to latest version 144.0.0.0.0 with reconstructed bootrom, will avoid the well-known corruption and can straight update without the need of starting installers and doing update step by step.
 

cinclodes

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Various problems for various computers. Up all night one time trying various solutions. In a few cases, the modified version of OS 10.13 worked. In another case, it didn't work. I have always been able to get the job done by keeping at it, trying different ideas, but the ultimate success never seemed to be logical or consistent with previous attempts. In a few cases, I simply repeated the same steps several times until it finally worked. Others have reported that the length of time the power button is held can make a difference. Varying it seemed to work for me in a few cases when nothing else was varied. It's all a mystery to me.
 

Borowski

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No mystery: Press and hold the power button until you hear a tone, the led will begin to flash. For me it worked in every case.
 

cinclodes

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No mystery: Press and hold the power button until you hear a tone, the led will begin to flash. For me it worked in every case.
Yes, of course, that is how it is supposed to work, but there are some cases in which it doesn't work (as many have posted on various forums).
 

Macschrauber

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I did, I guess, more than a hundred flashes to various Mac Pro 4,1 and 5,1. With nude boards and complete machines.

For repairing, upgrading and for testing the Dumper.


Even without a connected front board / power button (by the pon pads or a soldered tact switch to the pads)

I had zero machines where it does not work. Maybe you do something different, I hold the button or shortcut the pon pads until the long monophonic sound is audible).

Of course there is the chance of a hardware failure, the psu is havoc or the rtc battery delivers a voltage the smc is on an unstable status.


edit: I do not refer about the usual known problems, like having no efi Bootscreen gpu for firmware updates where the efi updater needs them. Nor about that some PCI cards will disturb the firmware unlock mode. If something acts different the first step is to reduce the hardware.
 
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Gmack523

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I have been an owner of many Mac Pros during the past 20 years. I have done firmware updates many times, including routine updates long ago and those that have become more challenging in recent years. I have used approaches described at various sites for upgrading from 4,1 to 5,1 and for upgrading to run High Sierra. In some cases, it has gone smoothly. In other cases, it has been an ordeal -- even though it was the same task and the same approach. Others have reported similar problems.

A recent upgrade from 4,1 to 5,1 was particularly difficult. I first had to upgrade to OS 10.9 so that a USB wifi would work. I tried the approach described here. As others mention in the discussion at that site, I kept getting the 5530 error. After the better part of a day of trying various things, I finally got it to work after updating to OS 10.11. For some reason, it wouldn't work under OS 10.9 on that particular computer. In order to complete one of the steps, I had to set the time of the computer back to early 2016.

I have had mixed results updating firmware for High Sierra. In some cases, it has gone smoothly. In other cases, it has been an hours-long ordeal as others have reported. When problems arise, I have found part of the long description from August 9, 2018, here to be useful. This approach involves a modified version of High Sierra that will install without the firmware update. This approach has worked for a few cases in which I wasn't able to find any other way to get the job done. After installing the modified OS, I was then able to do the firmware update.

I would like to thank those who have come up with ways of updating firmware on these machines, but it would be nice if someone could find a fool-proof approach. There ought to be a way that would make it possible to do this in a matter of minutes. In some cases, however, it turns out to be an ordeal. In some of those cases, it became a blur of trying different ideas, and I can't recall exactly how I finally got it to work.
I have been having nothing but problems. I feel so stupid because I know it's supposed to be so easy. I've been struggling for four days now.
 

dataharvested

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I'm running into the same problems with a 2009 4,1 I just purchased. It just boots normally after pressing and holding the power button until the flashing power LED and chime. It never starts the upgrade/update process to get to 5,1. I've tried everything I can, from SSD to HDD, from this OS version to that OS version, many PRAM resets, different graphics cards, and nothing works to get it to update to the 5,1 Model Identifier.
 

tsialex

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I'm running into the same problems with a 2009 4,1 I just purchased. It just boots normally after pressing and holding the power button until the flashing power LED and chime. It never starts the upgrade/update process to get to 5,1. I've tried everything I can, from SSD to HDD, from this OS version to that OS version, many PRAM resets, different graphics cards, and nothing works to get it to update to the 5,1 Model Identifier.

B08? These factory refurbished were never possible to cross-flash. Anyway, BootROM reconstruction service can do it.
 

tsialex

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The conventional wisdom is that any retail B07 can run the cross-fashing tool successfully, but this last week I've got a factory refurbished B07 that the owner also tried unsuccessfully for months. Apple made some modifications and upgrades with the factory refurbished units that make the cross-flashing tool to fail when things unexpected are found.
 
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dataharvested

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So, it's a lost cause then? Not that big of a deal to me, I just wanted the computer to be all that it could be for the next owner as I picked it up for it's case, but decided not to use it. Took some extra components I had to make it "whole again" and will put it up for sale I suppose. Was hoping to get it to 5,1 status with at least High Sierra installed on it. El Capitan it is I guess.
 

tsialex

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So, it's a lost cause then? Not that big of a deal to me, I just wanted the computer to be all that it could be for the next owner as I picked it up for it's case, but decided not to use it. Took some extra components I had to make it "whole again" and will put it up for sale I suppose. Was hoping to get it to 5,1 status with at least High Sierra installed on it. El Capitan it is I guess.

If you are asking as a free/do-it-yourself, yes, completely lost cause for the factory refurbished units.

If you are asking as if is possible to professionally repair and reconstruct the BootROM image as a MacPro5,1, sure, no doubt.
 

dataharvested

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If you are asking as a free/do-it-yourself, yes, completely lost cause for the factory refurbished units.

If you are asking as if is possible to professionally repair and reconstruct the BootROM image as a MacPro5,1, sure, no doubt.
What kind of money are we talking about for that service?
 
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