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macman4789

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Hi,

I wondered whether you could give me some advice. I’m considering buying a Mac Pro 5,1 and using it as a sort of a project to see what I can upgrade/improve in it. I have a few questions that may be obvious to some of you but I’ve never upgraded Macs like this before and have always bought ready to use out the box. I’m probably looking at this naively here goes:

1. This particular model is great for upgrading due to its size etc but how far can I actually go? I mean could I replace the motherboard to support newer functions I.e. thunderbolt 3/usb 3? Or does this basically now become a sort of Hackintosh?

2.What version of Mac OS does this Mac Pro support? Can this be changed in any way with a few tweaks to support the newer versions?

I apologise in advance if some of the questions I ask are obvious to you guys but I have no clue where to start or whether it’s even worth it!

Thanks
 
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Hey dude - your initial experience sounds similar to mine - read below to see why I say YES YES YES to a Mac Pro tower 'upgrade project'

I started out buying pre-packaged Macs too (in the glory years between 2010 and 2013 I reckon I owned 3 macbook airs, 5 macbook pros and 3 iMacs) and that was because they had gotten so far ahead of windows on hardware innovation that I had to set aside my long-standing and profound dislike for the Mac operating system and give Apple another chance to win me over. They smashed it out of the park with things like exceptional build quality, thunderbolt and retina displays. It was all just a game changer in my mind and I've been a mac user ever since..

The preamble is only relevant because I encountered an issue (bug actually) with Mac and thunderbolt that interrupted my workflow so badly that I thought my only choice was to go back to Windows.
Then I discovered the Mac Pro tower (or "cMP 5,1" as it's generally referred to on this forum) and realised I could have it all.
It's been the BEST 'upgrade project' I have ever had the good fortune to stumble upon. A little research at the outset revealed possibilities that I simply didn't know were possible. I could own a Mac with 96GB of RAM!! and 24 CPU cores!! This meant I could run three virtual machines in the background of macOS and still have more power in OSX and in each of the individual Windows Virtual Machines than I had ever had in the most expensive Windows workstation I had ever purchased in the past.
Then I discovered NO thunderbolt means NO system crashes during massive data transfers of critical information. No more time wasted on data recovery OR investigation of what was lost when thunderbolt raid configurations compulsively started dropping out at say 420GB in to a 650GB file transfer.

Then it got EVEN BETTER.. after I bought one I discovered this insanely beautiful and well engineered Mac Pro tower had these things called "PCIe Slots" which would let me do my massive file transfers 2.2x FASTER than thunderbolt.

Then the 'upgrade project' obsession mode really kicked in HARD. Transferring datasets at 2.2x thunderbolt was more than I needed or hoped for - but I noticed hardware upgrades for the The Mac Pro tower PCIe slots that might let me clock transfer speeds of 4500Mbps. So I did it (HIGHPOINT Rocket Raid 2744 with PCIe 2.0 x16 link speed).. but STILL I wanted MORE and then I discovered (almost by accident) that the graphics card (GPU) required for display output was occupying SLOT 1 by *convention NOT by necessity* ..so - firmly in the grip of my speed addiction - I shifted the GPU to SLOT 4 so I could use the x16 link speed in SLOT 1 to see if I could double the transfer speeds again or maybe just get the Mbps number up above 7000 and guess what.. by installing more upgrades (like my Highpoint SSD7101 NVMe host controller) - YOU CAN!!

RADEON RX 480 SINGLE SLOT PCIE (x4) Z3.JPG


In short - it's the most fun and flexible upgrade project you'll ever undertake. At the same time - I have to warn you that it can get expensive. Passion for the hobby/project and all the knowledge that falls out of the bottom of hundreds of hours of research and hundreds more in trial and error (before I discovered this forum) is rewarding for some and crazy in the eyes of many others.

At this stage, I have worked out how I can get to maybe 9 or 10 Gbps but realistically, I've managed to get to record breaking levels for a bit over USD $4000 and the hardware changes/upgrades I would need to make to get the extra 2 - 3 Gbps would conservatively cost another USD $2500. So I can't afford to feed the obsession to the point of fiscal negligence. But I probably will..... I'd rather mod a Mac to within an inch of it's capability ceiling than build a new PC out of the recycled plastic rubbish from vendors that invest millions ($) on the 'manufacturing and production' phase and less than 3 days and $45 on the 'engineering and design' phase. Maybe they went $10 over budget when they came up with RGB lighting strips but I doubt it.
 
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That’s great, thank you for your inputs. There seems to be a scope for quite a lot of longevity. I will have a look around for what options there are.
 
At this stage, I have worked out how I can get to maybe 9 or 10 Gbps but realistically, I've managed to get to record breaking levels for a bit over USD $4000 and the hardware changes/upgrades I would need to make to get the extra 2 - 3 Gbps would conservatively cost another USD $2500. So I can't afford to feed the obsession to the point of fiscal negligence. But I probably will..... I'd rather mod a Mac to within an inch of it's capability ceiling than build a new PC out of the recycled plastic rubbish from vendors that invest millions ($) on the 'manufacturing and production' phase and less than 3 days and $45 on the 'engineering and design' phase. Maybe they went $10 over budget when they came up with RGB lighting strips but I doubt it.
Are you aware HP has their Z-Series workstations and Dell has their line of professional workstations? They're well engineered and far from rubbish.
 
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zedex - Thanks for some very interesting information. I’m going to look into all that further.

macman47 - I got a 5,1 today for $350. Single CPU (3.06ghz) that I can max out to 3.46 for short money if I want to. Don’t necessarily need to. It’s got 32GB RAM, a 256GB SSD for a boot drive plus a 1TB HDD. Good graphics card (1GB) that plenty adequate for High Sierra.

If I put another $150 into this, I’ll have a maxed out processor and RAM (fastest available for the model), as well as USB 3.1 capability. Another $100 or so after that and I can run Mojave and Catalina with a metal graphics card. For my uses, it would not be possible to find a more robust machine for $600 that will still be viable for years to come. That’s for me, though, and others with different needs may not feel the same.

I got a full decade of great usage out of my 1,1 before I even upgraded anything other than RAM and BT. With the recent upgrades to it, I’m able to gift my brother a very competent machine for his uses.

I’m a Mac mini fan and have had good MBPs for the last decade. However, the cMP has offered me the most utility and enjoyment dollar for dollar. If you’re not going to PC/Windows, and I’m not, this is one of, if not the best bargain available. Heck, you can even run Windows and other systems on it, too.

There are lots of helpful people on here that have given me a great deal of learning and assistance in a short time. Keep reading older threads, posting, and asking questions. You’ll likely end up pleased with your machine choices thanks to intelligent and conscientious people here.

Remember, we all come from our own experiences and values, and those can differ. So will the advice and thoughts given. Heck, there are people on here still rocking PowerPC Macs and loving it! Find out what’s best for you and go with it.
 
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