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jeremiasm

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When I first upgraded my Mac Pro 5.1 (2010, one CPU) from High Sierra to Big Sur I managed to upgarde the bootrom succesfully (with a bunch of trying out, because then the Mac Pro won't shut down in Mojave installers bootrom update section) So I installed the BigSur 11.2.3 with barrykn micropatcher to NVME-PCIe card. I remember having boot problems and even having to install the os again because I got a stop sign.

The shutdown / startup problems were even more complicated because of I used some cheap USB3-pcie card that caused problems with Bluetooth and other hard drives unmounting and whole computer freezing. I found the macrumours tread with the supported cards and the finally get rid of that USB3 card. These startup/shutdown problems were also without the USB3 card installed and trying all SMC/NVRAM resets, changing the motherboard battery, and all devices unplugged.

I got the stop sign about two months ago again and installed the OCLP and then upgraded to 11.6. The startup takes always some time (30 sec -1 min) even though I have about 700/1200mb/s read-write speeds. One time I had to force shut down the Mac Pro because it won't shut down in 10-15 minutes (before, when still using the USB3 card and had those problems, I had been waiting about 1 hour and it won't shut down). Mac Pro leaves the little dimmed background photo screen and the dock has gone down as normally (if I remember right). So after that shut down, the startup bar goes very slow and jumped back to start and finally froze for many hours (running via OCLP). I shut it down again and I started up and I started well. Ever since that always when I start up the computer it opens the contacts app and a specific settings page. These 2 were opened when I force shut down the computer.

That opening these 2 apps is annoying and other start-up / shutdown problems are also annoying from time to time.

Has anyone had similar problems or know what would be the source of these problems?

In the past, I have had not so many problems when running High Sierra and earlier versions of macOS. I only remember that the language of my Swedish/Finnish apple keyboard always changes itself to English after startup - I have not had that problem since Sierra.

BTW when I changed the motherboard battery I took it from another machine and tested that it had some power but it has been in that another computer for five years (mostly unused). So would that be the source of all that problems?
 

tsialex

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Slow boot is not a real issue unless is something like 4+ minutes to boot - Mac Pros test all the RAM installed and do all the PCIe card enumeration at POST. Even with just one DIMM installed, a fast SATA SSD and no PCIe cards besides the GPU, the POST time will be around a minute from the moment you press the power button. This is completely normal and POST will be even greater as you add more DIMMs and PCIe cards.

Problems with shutdown and sleeping are usually directly related to the RTC battery, you should get a brand new BR2032 battery and test with a fully supported Mojave install.

Yes, it's the expensive and difficult to find BR2032 industrial Poly-carbonmonofluride Lithium battery that is the required battery for a Mac Pro and not the commonplace CR2032 that will die in some months with the high temperatures below the GPU heatsink.

After you get it right with Mojave and are sure that your Mac Pro is now correctly working, you can test with unsupported macOS releases - never diagnose a Mac with an unsupported macOS install.
 
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jeremiasm

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Mar 19, 2021
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Slow boot is not a real issue unless is something like 4+ minutes to boot - Mac Pros test all the RAM installed and do all the PCIe card enumeration at POST. Even with just one DIMM installed, a fast SATA SSD and no PCIe cards besides the GPU, the POST time will be around a minute from the moment you press the power button. This is completely normal and POST will be even greater as you add more DIMMs and PCIe cards.

Problems with shutdown and sleeping are usually directly related to the RTC battery, you should get a brand new BR2032 battery and test with a fully supported Mojave install.

Yes, it's the expensive and difficult to find BR2032 industrial Poly-carbonmonofluride Lithium battery that is the required battery for a Mac Pro and not the commonplace CR2032 that will die in some months with the high temperatures below the GPU heatsink.

After you get it right with Mojave and are sure that your Mac Pro is now correctly working, you can test with unsupported macOS releases - never diagnose a Mac with an unsupported macOS install.
Thank you for your help! I'll try to find one. :)
 

jeremiasm

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I bought and replaced the battery with a brand new BR2032. After replacing when I put the power cable to the Mac Pro it started up without pressing the power button. I did SMC reset and both 1 and 3 PRAM/NVRAM resets on the row. But still, the 2/3 apps open on startup. Also when I have closed them and opened some other apps and then on shutdown check on the box to "start those apps on startup", they won't start. Only the 3 apps that always startup will start up (Chrome added to the 2 that I mentioned before).

And these apps are not showing on the system startup apps. Seems like changing the battery from CR2023 to BR2032 did not make any difference as I thought.
 

tsialex

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I bought and replaced the battery with a brand new BR2032. After replacing when I put the power cable to the Mac Pro it started up without pressing the power button. I did SMC reset and both 1 and 3 PRAM/NVRAM resets on the row. But still, the 2/3 apps open on startup. Also when I have closed them and opened some other apps and then on shutdown check on the box to "start those apps on startup", they won't start. Only the 3 apps that always startup will start up (Chrome added to the 2 that I mentioned before).

And these apps are not showing on the system startup apps. Seems like changing the battery from CR2023 to BR2032 did not make any difference as I thought.

Do you have BootROM 144.0.0.0.0? If not, do a clean install of High Sierra and then upgrade to Mojave.
 

jeremiasm

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I installed the 144.0.0.0.0 when upgraded from High Sierra. Haven’t since looked the bootrom. Now with Big Sur and OCLP booting via NVME it shows 9999.999.999.999.999 so it should be OK?
 

tsialex

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Jun 13, 2016
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I installed the 144.0.0.0.0 when upgraded from High Sierra. Haven’t since looked the bootrom. Now with Big Sur and OCLP booting via NVME it shows 9999.999.999.999.999 so it should be OK?
Are you sure? Boot native (Mojave/High Sierra) and check.

Since you don't know if your problem is software or hardware related, or even OpenCore/OCLP related, test your Mac Pro with a native clean install and see if you have the same issues.
 
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