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Hey everyone) I have an idea of buying a new Mac Pro in the US and bring it to Europe, because its much (VERY MUCH) cheaper. I did this with a macbook, but this is a bit different) I would do that only if it's possible to take it as a carry on, and not as checked baggage.
So, dear happy owners of the new MP,
1) What dimensions does it have AFTER you take off the stands?
2) What weight does it have after you take off the GPU and the power supply?

Would be happy to hear your thoughts and suggestions about the possibility of this. Thank you!
 
fedex, USPS

Not an option because of the heavy import tax for expensive items , which almost destroys the profit. Plane is the only transport that has a €10000 limit.

And even if I could, these options still seems to be quite risky:)
 
Yeah it’s much cheaper, so buying 2 tickets isn’t a problem, but some airlines say that it’s possible only for musical instruments and not a desktop computer ) I will definitely try to ask more:)
 
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1) What dimensions does it have AFTER you take off the stands?
2) What weight does it have after you take off the GPU and the power supply?

You want to carry that into the cabin without the box?

AFAIK, not possible. Normal carry on baggage size limit is 56x36x23 cm, and the 7,1's dimensions is ~53x45x22 cm. That 45cm exceed by too much. No way to do that officially (remove the stand won't help)

Of course, some check in counter / airport staffs don't really care. And as long as you can get that onboard, most likely no body will ask you anything (it should be OK to fit that into the overhead compartment. I often put over size bags into there. The 7,1 will be fine).

Weight of course will be over the limit by a lot (18kg vs 7kg) as well, but if you remove all PSU / GPU etc, may be it can be very close to 10kg. And as long as "it doesn't looks too heavy" when you are carrying that (e.g. in a large backpack), usually no body will try to measure its weight.

However, there is really no guarantee that you can do it. As long as one staff (e.g. a cabin crew) try to check its dimension / weight. You will have no choice but put that into the cargo hold. It will be very bad if you are already onboard, and no box to pack the 7,1 properly.

IMO, it will be so much easier to put the whole box into a large check-in baggage. Just fill the box with lots of clothes (or even foam) to further protect that box. Then it should be fine.

The 7,1 was shipped inside that box from the factory anyway. It should have enough protection. Of course, when they were coming out from the factory, they were in a large group. And lots of boxes were tided together as one large piece of freight, then loaded by the machines (individual loader cannot "throw" them). However, still won't change the fact that the partition inside the box must be strong enough to handle some very bad turbulence (or sudden drop, etc).

So, IMO, as long as you have a big bag that can contain the 7,1's box with lots of sock absorber, that should be fine. Much safer and easier than no protection but put it on an overhead compartment.

If you want to be safer, just tell the airline that you have valuable and fragile items inside your luggage, and tell them the correct orientation of the luggage (do not ship it with any other orientation). The check in counter staff should able to put the correct sticker onto it, and let the loader to handle it correctly.

In this case, most likely the 7,1 can survive.
 
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You want to carry that into the cabin without the box?

AFAIK, not possible. Normal carry on baggage size limit is 56x36x23 cm, and the 7,1's dimensions is ~53x45x22 cm. That 45cm exceed by too much. No way to do that officially (remove the stand won't help)

Of course, some check in counter / airport staffs don't really care. And as long as you can get that onboard, most likely no body will ask you anything (it should be OK to fit that into the overhead compartment. I often put over size bags into there. The 7,1 will be fine).

Weight of course will be over the limit by a lot (18kg vs 7kg) as well, but if you remove all PSU / GPU etc, may be it can be very close to 10kg. And as long as "it doesn't looks too heavy" when you are carrying that (e.g. in a large backpack), usually no body will try to measure its weight.

However, there is really no guarantee that you can do it. As long as one staff (e.g. a cabin crew) try to check its dimension / weight. You will have no choice but put that into the cargo hold. It will be very bad if you are already onboard, and no box to pack the 7,1 properly.

IMO, it will be so much easier to put the whole box into a large check-in baggage. Just fill the box with lots of clothes (or even foam) to further protect that box. Then it should be fine.

The 7,1 was shipped inside that box from the factory anyway. It should have enough protection. Of course, when they were coming out from the factory, they were in a large group. And lots of boxes were tided together as one large piece of freight, then loaded by the machines (individual loader cannot "throw" them). However, still won't change the fact that the partition inside the box must be strong enough to handle some very bad turbulence (or sudden drop, etc).

So, IMO, as long as you have a big bag that can contain the 7,1's box with lots of sock absorber, that should be fine. Much safer and easier than no protection but put it on an overhead compartment.

If you want to be safer, just tell the airline that you have valuable and fragile items inside your luggage, and tell them the correct orientation of the luggage (do not ship it with any other orientation). The check in counter staff should able to put the correct sticker onto it, and let the loader to handle it correctly.

In this case, most likely the 7,1 can survive.

It would be perfect to check it in as a baggage( I’ve even found a good protection case), but I’ve heard so many stories that airport stuff don’t really care about the “fragile” tags and actually often they can open you bag to check it (for drugs) and carelessly close it after.And there’s no insurance that can cover the price of that PC)(

So I’ll try to search for ridiculous options(like buying a ticket for it) first and if I’ll be out of it I’ll consider checking it in)

Anyway, thank you very much for such a big and constructive reply! It’s really good to hear different opinions :)
 
It would be perfect to check it in as a baggage( I’ve even found a good protection case), but I’ve heard so many stories that airport stuff don’t really care about the “fragile” tags and actually often they can open you bag to check it (for drugs) and carelessly close it after.And there’s no insurance that can cover the price of that PC)(

So I’ll try to search for ridiculous options(like buying a ticket for it) first and if I’ll be out of it I’ll consider checking it in)

Anyway, thank you very much for such a big and constructive reply! It’s really good to hear different opinions :)

Of course that can happen, just a matter of probability.

Even you carry that by yourself, risk still there (accidentally drop on the floor etc). And as I said, turbulence will be your biggest enemy if you take it into the cabin. I really can't see how many protection you can give it in case of turbulence.

And yes, you should able to buy a ticket for it, and put that right next to you. Most airline should have this policy, not anything crazy, absolutely legal to do so.
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If you do that, then the 7,1 should be very safe as long as you strip that into the seat properly.
 
I believe a used item/product vs. a brand new item/product will having different import taxes levied; the used being less tax. So maybe use your MP7,1 for a few days while on vacation in USA and then return with it as a used item.

Then there's the other case when transporting a computer or any other item that's part of your business toolkit has to be allowed to travel with you. I've traveled to Europe many many times with my computer (laptop) and have had no issues with customs or import duties etc. Just think of all the people these days that travel internationally carry its them computers. Film crews carry tons of equipment that costs 100s of 1000s of dollars.

No matter what you do, you must and will have to comply with the travel and country's customs rules.

Good luck, and I wish you well for trying.
 
I believe a used item/product vs. a brand new item/product will having different import taxes levied; the used being less tax. So maybe use your MP7,1 for a few days while on vacation in USA and then return with it as a used item.

Then there's the other case when transporting a computer or any other item that's part of your business toolkit has to be allowed to travel with you. I've traveled to Europe many many times with my computer (laptop) and have had no issues with customs or import duties etc. Just think of all the people these days that travel internationally carry its them computers. Film crews carry tons of equipment that costs 100s of 1000s of dollars.

No matter what you do, you must and will have to comply with the travel and country's customs rules.

Good luck, and I wish you well for trying.

There's a difference between bringing in a laptop vs a full blown Mac Pro. Given how new it is it is very possible they will want to levy duty on such a thing as new.

Customs officials have very broad powers - and their definition of used vs new may not be as you would see it. At the very least you'd need to bring the receipt with youb- and anything less than a couple of months may be seen as you chancing it.

If the OP does this but does not declare it on the forms then the customs at the airport have every right to seize it if they notice.

It's one hell of a gamble to take IMO.
 
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There's a difference between bringing in a laptop vs a full blown Mac Pro. Given how new it is it is very possible they will want to levy duty on such a thing as new.

Customs officials have very broad powers - and their definition of used vs new may not be as you would see it. At the very least you'd need to bring the receipt with youb- and anything less than a couple of months may be seen as you chancing it.

If the OP does this but does not declare it on the forms then the customs at the airport have every right to seize it if they notice.

It's one hell of a gamble to take IMO.

Not sure about other countries, but in my city, "open boxed" mean "used" (at Customs officers' point of view).
 
There's a difference between bringing in a laptop vs a full blown Mac Pro. Given how new it is it is very possible they will want to levy duty on such a thing.

If the OP does this but does not declare it on the forms then the customs at the airport have every right to seize it if they notice.

It's one hell of a gamble to take IMO.
Not sure about other countries, but in my city, "open boxed" mean "used" (at Customs officers' point of view).

However the receipt will show the price paid and the chances are that customs will pick up on that.

Again, this is one helluva gamble.
 
No idea, if that's used, why should I have the receipt with me to show them the price?

At least, this kind of thing never happen to me.

Customs can dictate any rule they want. In absent a receipt they can just as easily decide your evading customs as any other decision.

Everything depends on luck. If you're lucky enough to get past the eye of Sauron as you enter, then more power to you. Even luckier if there's no one even staffing customs at the time.

If you don't get lucky then get ready for a potentially expensive conversation.

Way back in the 90s I came back with about $500 of LaserDiscs I'd brought in the states which, at the least I may have needed to pay duty on, at worst may have had seized as one was The Exorcist that was banned at the time in the UK.

As I walked past the desk I could see a customs official starting at me. Then, as luck would have it a lady pushed past me and I could hear clinking sounds in her wheel bag.

She got nabbed, I skirted through...

Remember, customs have very very broad powers.
 
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There's a difference between bringing in a laptop vs a full blown Mac Pro. Given how new it is it is very possible they will want to levy duty on such a thing as new.

Customs officials have very broad powers - and their definition of used vs new may not be as you would see it. At the very least you'd need to bring the receipt with youb- and anything less than a couple of months may be seen as you chancing it.

If the OP does this but does not declare it on the forms then the customs at the airport have every right to seize it if they notice.

It's one hell of a gamble to take IMO.
I don't disagree with the fact that Customs officials have broad powers.... However, what's the difference between a used late 2019 16" MBP and a used 2019 MP7,1 ?

I guess the bottom line here is, it's OK to minimize your tax burden so long as it's legal.
 
I don't disagree with the fact that Customs officials have broad powers.... However, what the difference between a used late 2019 16" MBP and a used MP7,1 ?

I guess the bottom line here is, it's OK to minimize your tax burden so long as it's legal.

MacBooks are everyday items - millions of folk travel with them.

At $15,000 Mac Pro however... Not often you see folk with one of those suckers in an airport. They're pretty gosh darned conspicuous...
 
MacBooks are everyday items - millions of folk travel with them.

At $15,000 Mac Pro however... Not often you see folk with one of those suckers in an airport. They're pretty gosh darned conspicuous...
Placed in a suitable sized luggage case on wheels it would appear to be no different from other wheeled luggage cases. ;) 😇
 
From my experience the key is to be shepherding your kids and look tired and harried and be holding a massive sheaf of paperwork as you walk up up to customs. That may only work on US Customs though.
 
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From my experience the key is to be shepherding your kids and look tired and harried and be holding a massive sheaf of paperwork as you walk up up to customs. That may only work on US Customs though.
...or carry a bag of 5 pounds of British bangers, along with a nice Sherry-laced fruit cake, and politely asking if they are AOK to bring into country for your aging grandmother... ;) ;) ;) 😇
 
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One thing you have to consider, the US price does not include sales tax. So unless you buy from OR, AK, DE, or MT expect to pay 2-8% more. Also remember to take the Mac out of the original box if you don't buy a refurb unit or else you might have to pay European customs.

Good luck :)
 
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and if you are taken out of customs at the airport and you find out that it is an illegal import and in this case smuggling, the goods will be confiscated and an additional penalty will be imposed - since customs violation is a criminal offence.

and if imported correctly, customs duties and tax have to be paid - so such an import does not pay off at all, considering the additional costs like tickets, hotel etc.
 
Ah, welcome to the EU, where the taxes are so f**king insane, it makes more sense to fly to the US and buy whatever you want than to buy it locally.


not to forget that with legal import you have to pay the customs fees AND the tax in europe.

or illegal will have the risk to have nothing and pay the penalty
the goods are confiscated!!!

but each as he believes ; -)
 
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