Mac Studio Display and Printing issues

[webbga]

I am at a bit of a loss here. Please bear with me while I set this up.
I replaced my late 2015 27" iMAC with a Studio Mac and Studio Display. There were a few kinks to be worked out, but nothing I couldn't overcome. Yesterday, for the first time, I went to print some 8.5x 11 photos from Lightroom. Something I do quite regularly. I had not changed any settings to my knowledge, but the prints coming out of my Canon Desktop were not near the quality that they were when printing from the old 27". I checked my settings and tried printing with some different profiles (Adobe RGB 1998, sRGB, Studio Display, ProPhoto, and even letting the Printer manage the color. While there is some difference in the different profiles, the result were all subpar. Shadows are looking purple, the green in the trees is dull, and it is as if there is a light haze over the whole print.

I went to my System Preferences and adjusted the Display to different modes. I also turned down the brightness. Again there is a little difference, but the poor quality is still there. I am printing from a Canon TS 6300 ink jet printer and using good quality paper from Red River (68lb. Ultra Pro Gloss). The print is not an expensive model and does not come with diagnostics etc., but has always provided clear and crisp color copies. At this point I am not sure if the problem is with the monitor or my profile settings. If the problem is the printer I could replace it without going broke, but I do not want to run out and buy another printer only to come home and have the same issue. I have only ever had the all in one Macs. This is my first stand alone monitor. I thought of purchasing a calibration tool, but they are not inexpensive and I would think that a Studio display coming out of the factory would not be out of calibration.

I appreciate and advise or real life experience from other Studio Display owners. Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[izzle22]

I am at a bit of a loss here. Please bear with me while I set this up.
I replaced my late 2015 27" iMAC with a Studio Mac and Studio Display. There were a few kinks to be worked out, but nothing I couldn't overcome. Yesterday, for the first time, I went to print some 8.5x 11 photos from Lightroom. Something I do quite regularly. I had not changed any settings to my knowledge, but the prints coming out of my Canon Desktop were not near the quality that they were when printing from the old 27". I checked my settings and tried printing with some different profiles (Adobe RGB 1998, sRGB, Studio Display, ProPhoto, and even letting the Printer manage the color. While there is some difference in the different profiles, the result were all subpar. Shadows are looking purple, the green in the trees is dull, and it is as if there is a light haze over the whole print.

I went to my System Preferences and adjusted the Display to different modes. I also turned down the brightness. Again there is a little difference, but the poor quality is still there. I am printing from a Canon TS 6300 ink jet printer and using good quality paper from Red River (68lb. Ultra Pro Gloss). The print is not an expensive model and does not come with diagnostics etc., but has always provided clear and crisp color copies. At this point I am not sure if the problem is with the monitor or my profile settings. If the problem is the printer I could replace it without going broke, but I do not want to run out and buy another printer only to come home and have the same issue. I have only ever had the all in one Macs. This is my first stand alone monitor. I thought of purchasing a calibration tool, but they are not inexpensive and I would think that a Studio display coming out of the factory would not be out of calibration.

I appreciate and advise or real life experience from other Studio Display owners. Thanks in advance for any help.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this has nothing to do with the studio display. It would have a lot to do with either the printer, the OS, photo software or the settings. What is displayed on the monitor is not necessarily what prints out on the printer. So changing brightness on the monitor will not change the brightness on a photo that you're printing. That will only happen in the photo software you are utilizing.

 

[haralds]

The Display preferences or settings should have no impact on printing. They should be left at their default calibrated levels.

You might want to look at the printer drivers for the Canon TS 6300. The driver installed by the new system might be different than what you had on your iMac. I noticed that the Canon site points to the drivers included with macOS. If you still have your iMac set up, try printing from it to see whether that still gives you the quality you wanted.

Import some hi Rez photos into the Apple's Photos app and print from there. This should isolate any Lightroom issues. BTW, make sure you have the new Lightroom version supporting M1.

Are your ink levels low? Your symptoms could be caused by that.

You might also want to contact Canon support.

 

[izzle22]

The Display preferences or settings should have no impact on printing. They should be left at their default calibrated levels.

You might want to look at the printer drivers for the Canon TS 6300. The driver installed by the new system might be different than what you had on your iMac. I noticed that the Canon site points to the drivers included with macOS. If you still have your iMac set up, try printing from it to see whether that still gives you the quality you wanted.

Import some hi Rez photos into the Apple's Photos app and print from there. This should isolate any Lightroom issues. BTW, make sure you have the new Lightroom version supporting M1.

Are your ink levels low? Your symptoms could be caused by that.

You might also want to contact Canon support.

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[Dutch60]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this has nothing to do with the studio display. It would have a lot to do with either the printer, the OS, photo software or the settings. What is displayed on the monitor is not necessarily what prints out on the printer. So changing brightness on the monitor will not change the brightness on a photo that you're printing. That will only happen in the photo software you are utilizing.

Well, changing brightness on a monitor can easily change brightness of printed images. For printing, a monitor setting of 80-120cd will generally do ok. Also depending on paper and ambient light ofcourse. Set a monitor too bright and there’s a very real risk that images print too dark.

 

[lcubed]

i would check and make sure that it's not using the AirPrint version of the driver. if there's a choice in the printer and scanners system/prefs, select the non-bonjour one!

also, can you show us what LR is displaying in the print dialog?
under color matching, you should be selecting colorsync, then the appropriate RR icc for the 68 lb ultra gloss

find the icc profile here:

Color Printer Profiles for the Canon TS and TR Series

Color Printer Profiles for the Canon TS & TR Series

www.redrivercatalog.com

 

[Daverich4]

I checked my settings and tried printing with some different profiles (Adobe RGB 1998, sRGB, Studio Display, ProPhoto, and even letting the Printer manage the color. While there is some difference in the different profiles, the result were all subpar.

Your comment about letting the Printer manage the color leads me to believe that you were originally trying to print with a Color Managed Workflow. If so, none of the profiles you said you tried are Printer Profiles and thus not appropriate choices.

 

[izzle22]

Well, changing brightness on a monitor can easily change brightness of printed images. For printing, a monitor setting of 80-120cd will generally do ok. Also depending on paper and ambient light ofcourse. Set a monitor too bright and there’s a very real risk that images print too dark.

Changing the settings, color and brightness on your monitor should have no effect on photo outcome unless it alters what you are seeing causing you to make adjustments in the photo software.

 

[webbga]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this has nothing to do with the studio display. It would have a lot to do with either the printer, the OS, photo software or the settings. What is displayed on the monitor is not necessarily what prints out on the printer. So changing brightness on the monitor will not change the brightness on a photo that you're printing. That will only happen in the photo software you are utilizing.

I appreciate the feedback. I printed from both Lightroom and Photoshop. Still investigating

 

[webbga]

The Display preferences or settings should have no impact on printing. They should be left at their default calibrated levels.

You might want to look at the printer drivers for the Canon TS 6300. The driver installed by the new system might be different than what you had on your iMac. I noticed that the Canon site points to the drivers included with macOS. If you still have your iMac set up, try printing from it to see whether that still gives you the quality you wanted.

Import some hi Rez photos into the Apple's Photos app and print from there. This should isolate any Lightroom issues. BTW, make sure you have the new Lightroom version supporting M1.

Are your ink levels low? Your symptoms could be caused by that.

You might also want to contact Canon support.

I will try to print from the Apple Photos ands if the result is the same. There are no printer drivers for this model on the Canon website. My System Preferences says they are 3.0. Ink levels ar 1/2 full and better Thanks for the input.

I just put the same photos into Apple Photos and printed. The result is not much better which makes me think maybe it is the printer. I have the latest LR update. PS Update, and am running the latest software on my Mac so I may have to try a new printer.

 

[webbga]

i would check and make sure that it's not using the AirPrint version of the driver. if there's a choice in the printer and scanners system/prefs, select the non-bonjour one!

also, can you show us what LR is displaying in the print dialog?
under color matching, you should be selecting colorsync, then the appropriate RR icc for the 68 lb ultra gloss

find the icc profile here:

Color Printer Profiles for the Canon TS and TR Series

Color Printer Profiles for the Canon TS & TR Series

www.redrivercatalog.com

 

[lcubed]

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So, you’re not using the red river profiles for your printer paper combo? See link in my post.

this is what i see for my ancient version of LR 5.x.

yours should have the RR profile for the ultra gloss/can-TS6300 paper/printer combo instead of my RR UltraProGloss CanPRO-100

 

[OSB]

Set a monitor too bright and there’s a very real risk that images print too dark.

That has nothing to do with Printer Profiles and everything to do with the user exposing/adjusting an image too dark because their monitor is too bright. The same image will print the same way whether the monitor is at 5% or 95% brightness.

 

[Chancha]

Did you restore / migrate the 2015 iMac backup into the Mac Studio upon setup? That way it should have copied the (Intel) version of the printer driver. If that's the case there is no guarantee if everything is translating over correcting especially considering colors.

Also, the initial installation of the printer driver back on your 2015 iMac years ago could also have included extra ICC profiles or other stuff that did not transfer to your Mac Studio.

 

[Dutch60]

Changing the settings, color and brightness on your monitor should have no effect on photo outcome unless it alters what you are seeing causing you to make adjustments in the photo software.

That’s what i mean, I guess. Making adjustments based on the brightness of the monitor can result in darker images; do nothing at all to an image once imported, and there are no changes in print results because of brightness settings. Sorry, if I wasn’t clear enough.

 

[webbga]

After a lot of testing and adjusting I have determined the printer is the culprit. That is my best guess at this point. I have printed from Photos etc. and everything is producing the same result. Many thanks to everyone who took the time to reply. I appreciate it.

 

[Dutch60]

Time for a new printer?

 

[StudioMacs]

Changing the settings, color and brightness on your monitor should have no effect on photo outcome unless it alters what you are seeing causing you to make adjustments in the photo software.

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If you print something that you printed on the old machine, and it looks different, it’s not the monitor.

 

[pmiles]

In case it isn't obvious, you changed your operating system and hardware when you upgraded to the Mac Studio. Your printer worked before because the drivers it was using was for the OS and hardware that you were using at the time.

Your drivers are out of date. Apple and the printer vendor probably don't have any updated drivers because the OS and or hardware (Mac Studio) isn't supported. You might be able to find a driver that emulates the old driver, but odds are your printer is too old for the newer OS/hardware.

That's the fun part about upgrading... forgetting that it affects peripheral devices as well. Sometimes when you upgrade you end up having to replace your peripheral devices as well.

If you still have the old iMac, you could always use it to print from if you don't want to invest in a new printer.

 

[lcubed]

have you run the canon setup software for the TS63XX?

it's here on the canon usa printer website:

Canon Knowledge Base - Where are the Mac Drivers for my Printer / Scanner? (CanoScan / PIXMA / MAXIFY)

 

[webbga]

i would check and make sure that it's not using the AirPrint version of the driver. if there's a choice in the printer and scanners system/prefs, select the non-bonjour one!

also, can you show us what LR is displaying in the print dialog?
under color matching, you should be selecting colorsync, then the appropriate RR icc for the 68 lb ultra gloss

find the icc profile here:

Color Printer Profiles for the Canon TS and TR Series

Color Printer Profiles for the Canon TS & TR Series

www.redrivercatalog.com

My printer is a TS6300. I am hoping the profiles for the TS6320 work I will give this try and thanks for the input

 

[webbga]

have you run the canon setup software for the TS63XX?

it's here on the canon usa printer website:

Canon Knowledge Base - Where are the Mac Drivers for my Printer / Scanner? (CanoScan / PIXMA / MAXIFY)

I did not have install drivers from an external source when I originally set the printer . They were included in my MAc. I will explore this a little further. thanks

 

[webbga]

So, you’re not using the red river profiles for your printer paper combo? See link in my post.

this is what i see for my ancient version of LR 5.x.

yours should have the RR profile for the ultra gloss/can-TS6300 paper/printer combo instead of my RR UltraProGloss CanPRO-100 View attachment 2007017

I have spent the morning working on this. I am still getting the same result. I Reset my printer (TS6300) and reinstalled it. I downloaded and installed the Red River ICC Profiles and matched my paper to the Media Setting Recommendations. Everything I print on either 60 lb. Pecos River Gloss or 68 lb. Ultra Pro Gloss has a type of filmy look with shadows looking a blotchy purple, faded blue skies, etc... I appreciate your help, but I am at the end of my rope here. What irks me is that the printer works, it prints regular text just fine etc., but since installing the new Studio Mac it will not print color without problems

 

[webbga]

i would check and make sure that it's not using the AirPrint version of the driver. if there's a choice in the printer and scanners system/prefs, select the non-bonjour one!

also, can you show us what LR is displaying in the print dialog?
under color matching, you should be selecting colorsync, then the appropriate RR icc for the 68 lb ultra gloss

find the icc profile here:

Color Printer Profiles for the Canon TS and TR Series

Color Printer Profiles for the Canon TS & TR Series

www.redrivercatalog.com

It is using Air Print and I am now lead to believe that is the culprit. I just saw an article to that effect. I have deleted the printer and reinstalled it, but Bonjour is the only option. I am going to have bite the bullet and look for a printer that does not connect via air print. thanks for your input