Mac Studio M1 Ultra GPU will be beaten by AMD and Nvidia in just 6-7 months.

[exoticSpice]

Nvidia current GPU is based on Samsung's 8nm node, they will move to 5nm TSMC this year.
AMD will be doing the same.

Both Lovelace and RDNA3 will be really powerful.

Both will destroy the M1 Ultra GPU. The Achilles heel is Mac Studio is not have having PCEi solts allowing for dGPU AMD support.

Apple will likely update the Mac Studio with M2 Ultra in 2 years by then AMD and Nvidia will have another major GPU arch update.

 

[gigapocket1]

This is true… but with Apple now not having to wait on parts from others. They won’t be behind long like they were in the past. Also, we don’t know what the Mac Pro will offer… I wouldn’t be shocked if Apple came out with a discrete graphics card for their machines…

 

[alex00100]

Unfortunately we all know MacBook sales take up close to 90% of all Mac shipments so I doubt Apple is losing much sleep over how they stack up against discreet GPUs.

And of what desktops they sell, 90% of them are to offices, and those are Mac minis and entry level iMacs.

 

[GiantKiwi]

Nvidia are all ready making problems for themselves having already suggested that RTX 4000 series top end cards will need a minimum of 850W PSU's. Not really a particularly comparable envelope there.

AMD are also well versed in overhyping GPU's and either having no supply chain or just spouting flat out BS.

 

[exoticSpice]

Unfortunately we all know MacBook sales take up close to 90% of all Mac shipments so I doubt Apple is losing much sleep over how they stack up against discreet GPUs.

the reason they do is cause their desktops are very expensive

 

[robco74]

Assuming AMD and Nvidia can manage to ship in volumes where consumers can actually get a hold of these cards at a reasonable price.

Apple also stopped doing paper launches a long time ago. We have no idea what is on their internal roadmap for the Mac Pro replacement, or what future Apple GPUs will be capable of.

 

[quarkysg]

Both Lovelace and RDNA3 will be really powerful.

They may be ultra powerful but Apple will not be able to fit such a beast into the M1 Mac Studio enclosure.

Apple is not about making the biggest gun in town. They care about making the most efficient gun while being powerful.

 

[JimmyjamesEU]

Nvidia current GPU is based on Samsung's 8nm node, they will move to 5nm TSMC this year.
AMD will be doing the same.

Both Lovelace and RDNA3 will be really powerful.

Both will destroy the M1 Ultra GPU. The Achilles heel is Mac Studio is not have having PCEi solts allowing for dGPU AMD support.

Apple will likely update the Mac Studio with M2 Ultra in 2 years by then AMD and Nvidia will have another major GPU arch update.

Define "destroy"?

 

[exoticSpice]

Define "destroy"?

The RTX 4060 will perform like a RTX 3080. Sure the RTX 4060 will use 180-350 watts but it will be like $450.

and Apple charges $1000 to get the full 64 cores.

 

[exoticSpice]

They may be ultra powerful but Apple will not be able to fit such a beast into the M1 Mac Studio enclosure.

Apple is not about making the biggest gun in town. They care about making the most efficient gun while being powerful.

And also making it VERY expensive for upgrades

 

[JimmyjamesEU]

The RTX 4060 will perform like a RTX 3080. Sure the RTX 4060 will use 180-350 watts but it will be like $450.

and Apple charges $1000 to get the full 64 cores.

That's not really an answer. Define "destroy"? How much faster do you think the top end 4000 series Nvidia gpu will be than the 3090?

 

[senttoschool]

The RTX 4060 will perform like a RTX 3080. Sure the RTX 4060 will use 180-350 watts but it will be like $450.

and Apple charges $1000 to get the full 64 cores.

I can guarantee you that Nvidia will make the RTX 4070 perform like the 3080. That's how they make money. The 70 replaces the old 80. If the performance is really high overall, they'll just release something like the 4080 Ti or 4090 or 4090 Ti. They're not going to give you 3080 performance at 4060 prices.

 

[haralds]

The Mac Studio is clearly targeting media developers using Logic Pro and Final Cut. Windows-based solutions are not of interest. Ableton Live also profits from the media engine.

 

[satcomer]

Nvidia current GPU is based on Samsung's 8nm node, they will move to 5nm TSMC this year.
AMD will be doing the same.

Both Lovelace and RDNA3 will be really powerful.

Both will destroy the M1 Ultra GPU. The Achilles heel is Mac Studio is not have having PCEi solts allowing for dGPU AMD support.

Apple will likely update the Mac Studio with M2 Ultra in 2 years by then AMD and Nvidia will have another major GPU arch update.

You wish this will happen! Intel has lost the gamers to AMD and Apple has left Intel and Intel has to go a third party to get below 14 and best Intel because their fabs are stuck in 00s still!

 

[exoticSpice]

You wish this will happen! Intel has lost the gamers to AMD and Apple has left Intel and Intel has to go a third party to get below 14 and best AMD because their fabs are stuck in 00s still!

what?? I am talking about the GPU in the M1 Ultra so its about Nvidia and AMD. I know Intel has dGPU's but they are bad.

 

[oz_rkie]

Nvidia are all ready making problems for themselves having already suggested that RTX 4000 series top end cards will need a minimum of 850W PSU's. Not really a particularly comparable envelope there.

What? please don't believe every rumor/'leak' on the internet lol. Power usage will be in the same ballpark as current cards.

Assuming AMD and Nvidia can manage to ship in volumes where consumers can actually get a hold of these cards at a reasonable price.

They are already shipping in volumes. Just that demand is way higher now (mining etc.) and the fact that cards are being bought (by gamers and miners) as soon as they hit shelves regardless of the inflated prices.

You wish this will happen! Intel has lost the gamers to AMD and Apple has left Intel and Intel has to go a third party to get below 14 and best AMD because their fabs are stuck in 00s still!

Intel is slowly regaining their gamer market share though. Current reports are that alder lake is moving more units than ryzen now.

 

[Gnattu]

You cannot release a product and make it competitive forever in this industry unless all of your opponents are sitting still. This is normal and how the industry moves forward.

 

[Gnattu]

the reason they do is cause their desktops are very expensive

This is true, but desktop shipments is not high at all in the industry, in 2021 we have a all-time-high for PC sales, but less than 20% of then are desktop PCs. Desktop PCs are targeting very specific users nowadays as "general users" don't really need one. Laptops and tablets are cheap enough and good enough for them.

 

[TiggrToo]

the reason they do is cause their desktops are very expensive

No they're not. You can pick up a mini for $700. That's not "very expensive".

Meanwhile there have been multiple desktop Windows computers that were well over $10k.

 

[jjcs]

No they're not. You can pick up a mini for $700. That's not "very expensive".

Meanwhile there have been multiple desktop Windows computers that were well over $10k.

This doesn't logically follow.

 

[TiggrToo]

This doesn't logically follow.

Yes it does.

The accusation was that Apple's desktops are "very expensive".

I simply provided two different data points - one is the currently cheapest M1 mini which is simply "expensive" and the other which shows that Windows desktops can be "very expensive".

Sure Apple's desktops can get to be very expensive, but they don't start off that way. My last Windows desktop I brought was $1,600 and that was damn near 10 years ago.

My next desktop purchase will be a $900 Mini.

 

[sunny5]

Do you know that RTX 40 series with 5nm will consume more power than RTX 30 series? Being powerful doesn't really mean it will consume less energy. Currently, all graphic cards have issues with the power consumption as both AMD and Nvidia cant solve this issue.

Performing desktop RTX 3090 with only 120W is already revolutionary.

Beside, it's also about optimization. For video, PC cant even compete since Apple Silicons have media engines and ProRes Encodder/Decorder and M1 Max already beat RTX 3090 high end desktop.

Currently, Nvidia is dominating 3D world and that's because all of them are using CUDA. You might say AMD isn't powerful as Nvidia but it's not true. Halo Infinite proves that optimization is important. But Apple is the only company making both hardware and software for consumer and professional world. The level of optimization is totally outstanding and that's a huge advantage so who knows?

 

[jjcs]

Yes it does.

The accusation was that Apple's desktops are "very expensive".

I simply provided two different data points - one is the currently cheapest M1 mini which is simply "expensive" and the other which shows that Windows desktops can be "very expensive".

Sure Apple's desktops can get to be very expensive, but they don't start off that way. My last Windows desktop I brought was $1,600 and that was damn near 10 years ago.

My next desktop purchase will be a $900 Mini.

Stating that more expensive Windows machines exist doesn't make the Mini not "expensive". The cost of a basic Windows desktop can be less than $700. Think of it this way: A Tesla model 3 isn't expensive at $45k. Some F-150s are as high as $70k! Does that make sense?

 

[TiggrToo]

Stating that more expensive Windows machines exist doesn't make the Mini not "expensive". The cost of a basic Windows desktop can be less than $700. Think of it this way: A Tesla model 3 isn't expensive at $45k. Some F-150s are as high as $70k! Does that make sense?

You apparently missed the point of my post. Again, I was responding to the claim that Mac Desktops are "very expensive".

I didn't make the claim, I'm refuting it.

You're reading way more I to my post than needs be.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Good to hear that they’re shipping 64 GB cards with plans for 128. That should be cool to see!