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Buying debate..
1 or 2 TB of internal memory?
I will be using it mostly for photography editing, some video editing and regular daily stuff....
Mostly concern about application for photography (ON1 Photo, photoshop etc.), video and music,
and ongoing growing need for storage for my photography...
Will be getting the MAX version and already have lots of SSD HD storage....
Suggestions?
 
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theluggage

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1 or 2 TB of internal memory?
As already said, it's really a personal decision and you need to look at your current usage.

Personal opinion: I think 1TB is the sweet spot unless you habitually have hundreds of gigabytes of work in progress that really need the full speed of the internal SSD. Which probably means beyond-casual video production or other seriously big data work.

512GB would be do-able if you were disciplined about archiving stuff you weren't working on to external drives (but, really, shouldn't even be an option in 2022).

2TB would be overkill for me - and I have the feeling that anybody who can fill up 2TB is probably doing something that could easily fill up 4TB, so it would be better to get organised about external storage - and teh Studio has plenty of Thunderbolt & fast USB-C I/O for external drives.

Economically, you *really* don't want to be using Apple's expensive SSD space for media collections of "finished" video, photos or audio (which will typically be quite happy streaming over a network from a plain old spinning-rust NAS), or archived video/audio/photo projects.

Your mileage may, of course, vary.

One caveat - you never want to let an SSD get full-to-capacity. SSDs need free space to work, will slow down if they get too full, and would grind to a stop if they ever got 100% full (although MacOS should prevent this by keeping some free space 'hidden', aka 'overprovisioning'). Figures for how much free space you should leave vary from 10% to 25%, although the latter may date back to the times when OSs weren't so smart about overprovisioning. So, don't skimp.
 

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Assuming by "internal memory" you mean storage? 😂

Go with the 2TB option - the logic being that as a photographer, yes, you should have external storage (preferably a NAS) for your RAW files, and have them linked into Lightroom, or whatever application you use for your workflow, but the library files you should have on your internal storage. Also, photo-editing software takes an enormous amount of space, and by the time you have installed macOS, all your apps, your utilities, and your libraries, you are easily approaching 5-750GB of used space. Then if you like me, have Parallels, and install Windows 11 ARM, and possibly a game or two, then your Paralelles file will take another 100GB.

Adobe Creative Suite in its full glory will take up 40-50GB. Final Cut Pro, Motion, iMovie, Logic Pro, Mainstage, Garageband, another 20GB - it quickly starts adding up.

I went with the 2TB storage option and my internal storage is currently 50% utilized, as in I am using 1.02TB and have 1.15TB available (175GB purgeable).

And remember, when you're working on video projects, you'll want to have the files temporarily on your internal storage, it is that much faster...
 

theluggage

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Internal is MUCH faster than any other disk. With RAW images, you need as much space as possible,
At - what - 25MB per RAW image? That’s 40 images per gigabyte, 40,000 images in 1TB… These multi-TB space and bandwidth demands are driven by 4K video editors who get through that amount of data 30 times a second… Photography ain’t gonna make a decent external SSD break a sweat.

The big advantage of that super-fast storage comes from using it for system files, swap, temporary storage and work-in-progress. With Apple wanting a whopping $400 per TB you need a pretty clear use case - i.e. active projects that are 100GB+ each - to justify getting more than 1-2 TB. Not saying that nobody needs 4 or 8TB (or wouldn’t like more) - but at Apple prices you really need a good reason.

….and for backup/archiving - multiple copies & version histories of files on multiple discs are involved, so spinning rust is probably still king.
 
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Buying debate..
1 or 2 TB of internal memory?
I will be using it mostly for photography editing, some video editing and regular daily stuff....
Mostly concern about application for photography (ON1 Photo, photoshop etc.), video and music,
and ongoing growing need for storage for my photography...
Will be getting the MAX version and already have lots of SSD HD storage....
Suggestions?

Everybody would have 8TB of flash storage if they had their druthers, but most don't because they've decided that they have better ways to spend their money. Very few people with "lots of SSD [external] storage" need to start converting it to internal storage for operational reasons. From a workflow perspective, it makes no practical difference whether your photographs and video clips are on an internal or external solid state drive. That includes my Capture One Catalogue, and I would imagine your ON1 "catalogue folder". Professional film editors edit from external drives as a matter of course.

I have a 2TB internal drive on my Mac Studio because I move the computer between two homes. Two TB of internal storage means that I don't have to bring along an external drive or can reduce the number that I bring. I also hate hubs to the point that I don't have one. For me, the main issue when travelling is 900GB of music samples that I use with Logic Pro X. I've brought those libraries inboard, but I'm not about to claim that I need to do that. They work just as well if they're on a Samsung 2TB T7. Most people don't have 900GB of data that they need to use a single application in the first place.

Having regard to one of the posts above, About this Mac tells me that I have 22.47GB of application files. My applications, in addition to Logic, include Capture One, Photo Mechanic, Pixelmator Pro, Final Cut Pro X, Motion, Compressor, Blackmagic's DaVinci Resolve Studio, the main apps in iZotope's suite of sound applications and plugins, and music samplers and players by Native Instruments, UVI, Orchestral Tools, Spitfire Audio and Vienna Symphonic Library. Also Steam for video games, and Apple's Pages, Numbers and Keynote. I'm a long way from storage for applications being a factor in choice of internal drive size.

The first of the two links in post #7 is to a thread about using DIY NVMe M.2 SSDs as external drives that I started and wrote several of the posts in. If one is intent on using DIY NVMe drives, I think that there is a cost argument for paying Apple for 2TB instead of going the DIY route. There are also hassle issues with NVMe drives, such as heat management, that don't exist with Apple's internal drives. That said, I don't believe, as a practical matter, that DIY NVMe drives are a better option than, for example, Samsung T7 drives, for most use cases. I say that as someone who has both 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe SSDs (two of them) and 2TB T7 SSDs. There's a point where people are chasing speed for the sake of speed, regardless of whether "more speed" translates into a meaningful workflow improvement.
 
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Application file size is really a non factor when you're deciding between 1 and 2TB, imo. Way back when I had 512GB, Adobe taking 5GB an app annoyed me. With more storage, no. I went with 8TB because price was not an issue but my primary use is photo/video editing and I don't at all think you need more than one TB internal by any means. Finished work being on an external is not even an inconvenience imo

Before my 8TB I had smaller storage on my iMac & used some external I got on sale at Amazon with 14TB. Not a hardware expert by any means, struggled to find one without a bunch of reviews claiming they lost all their data, had no clue what I should buy. What I picked with little knowledge worked perfectly fine with Lightroom/PS/FCP editing even working off it, could keep my internal lean by putting movies and docs etc. there (or iCloud) if needed, but mainly I'd honestly never need more than 1TB at a time to be internal level speed
 
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Having regard to one of the posts above, About this Mac tells me that I have 22.47GB of application files. My applications, in addition to Logic, include Capture One, Photo Mechanic, Pixelmator Pro, Final Cut Pro X, Motion, Compressor, Blackmagic's DaVinci Resolve Studio, the main apps in iZotope's suite of sound applications and plugins, and music samplers and players by Native Instruments, UVI, Orchestral Tools, Spitfire Audio and Vienna Symphonic Library. Also Steam for video games, and Apple's Pages, Numbers and Keynote. I'm a long way from storage for applications being a factor in choice of internal drive size.

Having just checked my internal drive, I find the bigger "sinners":

215GB of Applications (Adobe is the biggest chunk of these)
80GB of Documents (mostly my Lightroom libraries)
100GB of Music (downloaded music files from Apple Music)
250GB of Parallels
55GB of Photos (Apple Photos sync)
70GB of Music Creation (Instrument Library)
15GB of macOS
150GB of System Data

That's a total of 935GB, of which some could possibly be moved off the Mac Studio, but it would affect my workflow and ease of functionality.

How much internal storage you need is a personal question which involves factoring in ease of function against how much money you want to spend. Adding fast external storage media is much cheaper, but can, and usually will involve some degree of compromise.

And who said RAW files were too small to worry about speed? My RAW files are often about 100MB a piece, and I often work with 10-15 of these open at the same time, editing, selecting, layering and slicing, and it is a markedly slower process off an external SSD. Having the Adobe Libraries on the internal storage is a must.

In essence; buy 1TB of internal storage if that is what you can afford, you can easily live with 1TB and have a fast external storage medium for some of your files. Buy more if you want to keep everything fast and internal - but know you will need external storage also, but perhaps not the fastest available, as it won't make a big difference.
 

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Having just checked my internal drive, I find the bigger "sinners":

215GB of Applications (Adobe is the biggest chunk of these)
80GB of Documents (mostly my Lightroom libraries)
100GB of Music (downloaded music files from Apple Music)
250GB of Parallels
55GB of Photos (Apple Photos sync)
70GB of Music Creation (Instrument Library)
15GB of macOS
150GB of System Data

That's a total of 935GB, of which some could possibly be moved off the Mac Studio, but it would affect my workflow and ease of functionality.

How much internal storage you need is a personal question ...
I agree with your statement that "How much internal storage you need is a personal question", which is why I don't share your enthusiasm (post #5) for telling somebody else to add US$600 to the cost of a $2,000 computer in order to get 2TB of internal storage, particularly when that person describes needs that are not the least bit unusual.

I'm not surprised that you got 2TB yourself, given how you manage your data. Not everybody stores 100GB of Apple Music files on their desktop computer, especially since those files will play just fine from a dirt cheap external spinning disk drive. My own recorded music files are on a 2014 Mac mini with 8GB of RAM and, for data storage, spinning drives. I'd have to be off my rocker to transfer those files to my Mac Studio flash drive.

I'm afraid to ask how you've managed to amass 215GB of applications (surely you know that that is more than a bit atypical), or why your 2TB Mac Studio is generating almost five times as much System data as mine is :)
 
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I agree with your statement that "How much internal storage you need is a personal question", which is why I don't share your enthusiasm (post #5) for telling somebody else to add US$600 to the cost of a $2,000 computer in order to get 2TB of internal storage, particularly when that person describes needs that are not the least bit unusual.

The OP is asking if he should buy 1TB or 2TB of internal storage, i.e. the additional cost is $400. All I am saying is that for a lot of photographers 1TB quickly runs out. I am one myself...

I'm not surprised that you got 2TB yourself, given how you manage your data. Not everybody stores 100GB of Apple Music files on their desktop computer, especially since those files will play just fine from a dirt-cheap external spinning disk drive. My own recorded music files are on an eight-year-old, 2014 Mac mini with 8GB of RAM and, for data storage, spinning drives.

I know that there is data I can move off my internal storage, and yes, the Music data is some of it. However, that 100GB would not make the difference.

Having used a NAS for many years I have all my photos, videos, and personal data files stored there, as well as all my edited music. The only "data" I keep on my Mac Pro are Lightroom Libraries, my Apple Photos, and obviously some Apple Music files.

I'm afraid to ask how you've managed to amass 215GB of applications (surely you know that that is atypical), or why your 2TB Mac Studio is generating almost five times as much System data as mine is :)

It is actually not that atypical, once you get into the Adobe and Photography ecosystem. Like I said above Adobe Creative Suite applications alone are some 40-50GB. The Apple applications; Xcode, Final Cut Pro, Motion, iMovie, Logic Pro, Mainstage, and Garageband, are another 35GB.

With regards to the System Data, I can only assume it is snapshots and the like.
 

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It is actually not that atypical, once you get into the Adobe and Photography ecosystem. Like I said above Adobe Creative Suite applications alone are some 40-50GB. The Apple applications; Xcode, Final Cut Pro, Motion, iMovie, Logic Pro, Mainstage, and Garageband, are another 35GB.

@altmac, who started this discussion, doesn't even use Photoshop/Lightroom, let alone the whole Creative Suite. Meanwhile, Capture One, which I use, is 1GB, and ON1, which @altmac actually uses, is apparently 1.5GB. Thanks for reminding me of one of the reasons why I dumped Adobe two years ago :)

There are only two ways for the Mac apps that you name to add up to 35GB. One is that you're an Apple developer and have installed Xcode in its entirety. There's no reason at all to believe that of @altmac, or even that he needs Xcode's much smaller subset of Command Line Tools. Does he even use the Mac Terminal?

The other way is that you use Logic Pro X and have not only installed most of its sample library, but have either ignored or are unaware of the app's invitation to "Relocate Sound Library..." to an external drive. The menu item is just below Logic > Preferences.

I also have no idea why someone who has purchased, and uses, Final Cut Pro X and Logic Pro X would keep iMovie and GarageBand on their computer. iMovie has no advantages over Final Cut, and if you want a stripped down Logic interface all you have to do is uncheck "Enable Complete Features" in Logic Preferences. As for MainStage, there's no reason whatever to believe that @altmac is giving live music performances.

I don't mean to give you a hard time, but I think that you're projecting your own needs and use of a computer onto someone who by all appearances has no special/exceptional requirements.
 
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Get the 2TB and stop thinking about it...
My iMac has a 1Tb SSD and I've got about 300Gb free. Based on that, I went with 2Tb for my Studio.

In 5 years, you won't care about the extra $400, but you may very well wish you had more internal storage.
Exactly this. I paid a fair bit extra to get the SSD on my iMac because the default storage was a Fusion drive and I think it was worth every penny I paid for it.

Internal storage doesn't appear to be easily upgradable on the Studio so for me, this was a no-brainer.
 
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Having just checked my internal drive, I find the bigger "sinners":

Just an aside to plug Disk Inventory X as the best tool (& free) I've found for investigating what's eating your storage.... and, yup, it still works on a Studio with Monterey.

The OP is asking if he should buy 1TB or 2TB of internal storage, i.e. the additional cost is $400. All I am saying is that for a lot of photographers 1TB quickly runs out. I am one myself...
Question is, if you fill up 1TB that quickly, how long is an extra 1TB actually going to last?

Whereas that $400 will buy you between about 2TB (fastest SSDs) and 16TB (spinning rust) of external storage - depending on your need for speed (and you probably don't need bleeding-edge ultra fast SSDs unless you're going to be editing ultra-high-def video direct from them)... Or, since you're going to need external storage for archiving and backup anyway put the cash towards a multi-drive external storage or NAS unit.

The big speed advantage of Apple's super-fast SSD comes from having your system, swap and temporary storage on it, and 1TB is fine for that.

Today, spinning rust is still the most affordable way of storing terabytes of data, so maybe start with that, but the odds are that, during the 3+ year life cycle of your Mac, SSD price/terabyte will drop and you'll want to upgrade your storage.

I also have no idea why someone who has purchased, and uses, Final Cut Pro X and Logic Pro X would keep iMovie and GarageBand on their computer.

...because the actual size of the apps and libraries is negligible alongside the size of the project files that you'll create with Logic or FCPX so it's not worth the inconvenience. Anyway, if you've started with iMovie or GarageBand you might have old projects in that format (yeah, you can import them into the "grown up" app but that's rarely seamless).

Exactly this. I paid a fair bit extra to get the SSD on my iMac because the default storage was a Fusion drive and I think it was worth every penny I paid for it.

Well, that's rather different, because the Fusion drive was a compromise from the days when more than about 128GB of SSD was far less affordable.

In 5 years, you won't care about the extra $400, but you may very well wish you had more internal storage.
Most people here could probably get their work done with a second-hand M1 Mini - so they've already applied your logic several times over to get as far as a Mac Studio - you have to draw the line somewhere on the road to an 8TB Studio Ultra and a second mortgage. The point of discussions like this is to help people decide where they, personally, want to get off the ladder.

Of the various decisions you have to make, storage is the least critical because it's the easiest to rectify with external storage. A couple of aliases on your desktop, say redirecting Documents to the external drive - and it's pretty transparent. RAM, CPU and GPU cores are less easily rectified...

I'd still say that it's only worth going over 1TB if you have a clear use case for needing more (and some people will). However, if you're continually accumulating huge video/graphics/audio files you'll soon exhaust any affordable level of internal storage and need to work out a storage/backup/archive strategy using external drives/NAS/whatever.

...and don't obsess with sustained transfer speed benchmarks unless you're worried about how many simultaneous ProRes streams you can handle!
 

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Get the 2TB and stop thinking about it...

In 5 years, you won't care about the extra $400, but you may very well wish you had more internal storage.
Exactly!
My thoughts too when I made my choice. It's worth it.
Sure we store things externally too.
But as I also had 1TB on my old 2013 Mac, it was more than a given to take 2TB now.
 

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...because the actual size of the [iMovie and GarageBand] apps and libraries is negligible alongside the size of the project files that you'll create with Logic or FCPX so it's not worth the inconvenience. Anyway, if you've started with iMovie or GarageBand you might have old projects in that format (yeah, you can import them into the "grown up" app but that's rarely seamless).

Are you saying that it's too "inconvenient" to delete optional Apple apps that you don't need? Seriously?

Using Final Cut to open a movie made in iMovie, or Logic to open music that was made in GarageBand, is trivial. Sounds like you've never actually done it.
 
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Are you saying that it's too "inconvenient" to delete Apple apps that you don't need? Seriously?
The relatively tiny amount of space you save is not worth the effort and is not going to make the difference between needing 1TB vs. 2TB of storage. It's just not that high a priority. I'll get more space back by emptying the trash and cleaning out my Downloads folder.

...and, yeah, opening a GarageBand/iMovie project in Logic/FCPx isn't exactly one of the 12 labours of Hercules, but it's still slower and less convenient than opening it in the original app.
 

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The relatively tiny amount of space you save is not worth the effort and is not going to make the difference between needing 1TB vs. 2TB of storage. It's just not that high a priority. I'll get more space back by emptying the trash and cleaning out my Downloads folder.

...and, yeah, opening a GarageBand/iMovie project in Logic/FCPx isn't exactly one of the 12 labours of Hercules, but it's still slower and less convenient than opening it in the original app.

What? You know perfectly well that I wasn't suggesting that it would make the difference between 1TB and 2TB of storage. I was responding (post #16) to the assertion that the original poster would wind up with 35GB of Apple applications on his internal drive. I also explained exactly what would have to happen for the apps in question to add up to 35GB, which is where Logic and its large Sound Library came in, and a comparatively minor, parenthetical reference to GarageBand.

If you keep Apple apps that you don't need on your Mac because it's too much effort to move them to the Trash, and believe that using Logic to open an MP3 file made in GarageBand is likewise too much effort... okey doke.

You get today's prize for being so desperate to invent a disagreement that you don't care that you're taking your target completely out of context, or how marginal, not to mention odd, your assertions are.
 
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MarkRG99UK

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Hi,
New here and about to order my first Apple (Studio Ultra) computer primarily for use with Logic & Cubase. Yes, I'm excited!

I got to this thread searching for 1 or 2 TB on a Mac Studio? However, my reason was to find out if it made any difference to performance. Since no one has mentioned this, I'm guessing it doesn't and that internal SSD read/write speeds remain the same for any of the options up to 8TB.

Having read everything so far I am pretty sure 1TB is enough for me but I tend to agree with the people who are saying if you can afford 2TB, you might as well get it. However, I won't get more than this because I have an external SSD RAID for all the big sample libraries I use.

RAM is a slightly different issue for me. It isn't upgradable either and, critically, the option to augment it with some kind of "external RAM" isn't a thing. So, getting the most I can afford now seems to be the best option even if it pushes my budget into 'sell the cat territory'. ;-)
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I genuinely thought this was about memory at first, and was astonished that anyone could require 1 or 2 TB of memory, or that so much memory was even possible in a Mac.
 
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