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Mac uers what do you think ChromeOS will need to succeed

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asifnaz

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I am sorry for being off topic but I need to know your point of view about upcoming OS and hardware in my views:

enough html5 and chrome apps ready and that feel well integrated.

-Low cost laptops / net books (sub $200). If possible ARM smart books too.

-Deals with ISPs (2 for 1 specials, free with plan, etc.)

-Online app for hd gaming

To succeed, Google will need to abandon all previous ideas they had for it, drop the cloud and drop the only-a-web-browser philosophy.
 
asifnaz said:
I am sorry for being off topic but I need to know your point of view about upcoming OS and hardware in my views:

enough html5 and chrome apps ready and that feel well integrated.

-Low cost laptops / net books (sub $200). If possible ARM smart books too.

-Deals with ISPs (2 for 1 specials, free with plan, etc.)

-Online app for hd gaming

To succeed, Google will need to abandon all previous ideas they had for it, drop the cloud and drop the only-a-web-browser philosophy.
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So in order to succeed, they need to stop doing all the things that make ChromeOS different from all the others? Not likely...
 
When Chrome OS was announced, I remember Google saying that it is build around the web browser as that's what most people use their computer for. I can see it being a great success because it will (supposedly) be so simple, and fast. I just saw a video where a netbook booted in less than 7 seconds. Even OS X can't do that. I don't know much about its details or stuff like that but it looks very promising, something that has been missing from the market.

It probably won't offer much for more advanced users but since most of the today's computer users are total newbies, Chrome OS has a lot potential in it. While Windows 7 is a good OS, it may be a bit complicated for a basic user as it should meet the needs of more advanced users. That's the biggest flaw in Windows IMO, it has to meet too many markets, from beginners to professionals. It's very hard to design a product that can satisfy all markets perfectly.

Chrome OS targets the not-so-well-fulfilled market, basic users. That's what billions of us are, thus it may be a huge success if it is done well.
 
Interesting that the two reviews I've read about Chrome OS (PC World and Engadget), mentioned the hardware reminded them of the black Macbook of a few years back.

I think this could be an interesting development, because it would make the "network computer" finally come to life. In order to succeed, it would need pervasive, fast, Internet connectivity, but that's happening. 4G cellular networks and Internet access on planes are being implemented rather quickly, so you can get an Internet connection almost anywhere, and the network computer (and ChromeOS) begins to make sense in that scenario.

If you throw out the cost and overhead of Windows, along with the headaches to manage it, the "netbook" becomes even more affordable and isn't just a small laptop anymore. You can probably get good performance out of a dual-core Atom processor and Broadcomm HD accelerator chip with ChromeOS. I'm really interested in the security features, and the ability to pass the computer around to others while still protecting your data.

However, IMO, the biggest obstacle to success is whether or not the user truly trusts "cloud computing" and Google. If there's any doubt in the user's mind that their data can be compromised or sold, ChromeOS won't take off.
 
I think if ChromeOS had been released before the iPad, Google would have been within a chance of getting the netbook market.

Unfortunately, the iPad appears to be in full swing globally as far as a netbook equivalent goes, and more tablet computers are yet to come, fully replacing the market for netbooks that are just used for casual internet usage.

Google appear to be one step behind the rest of the world at the moment.
 
roadbloc said:
I think if ChromeOS had been released before the iPad, Google would have been within a chance of getting the netbook market.

Unfortunately, the iPad appears to be in full swing globally as far as a netbook equivalent goes, and more tablet computers are yet to come, fully replacing the market for netbooks that are just used for casual internet usage.

Google appear to be one step behind the rest of the world at the moment.
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two different market segments. Google showed a tablet (the nexus tab) running honeycomb. This is not a netbook but a full laptop thats always online. too me this is better for learning then the ipad.
 
asifnaz said:
I am sorry for being off topic but I need to know your point of view about upcoming OS and hardware in my views:

enough html5 and chrome apps ready and that feel well integrated.

-Low cost laptops / net books (sub $200). If possible ARM smart books too.

-Deals with ISPs (2 for 1 specials, free with plan, etc.)

-Online app for hd gaming

To succeed, Google will need to abandon all previous ideas they had for it, drop the cloud and drop the only-a-web-browser philosophy.
Click to expand...

I think it will be great, given time. I think only about 1% of the web is currently written in HTML5. That number should grow quickly in 2011, and as it does, you will see traditionally local apps move to the web.

The three advantages of Chrome OS are:

-Speed
-Security
-Cost

What's so frustrating about monopolies is that they are essentially a tax. The way I look at it is that everyone is paying a Microsoft tax of $50 per computer (Apple doesn't help this because Apple machines are more expensive anyway). So anything that can remove this tax should free up billions of dollars for (hopefully) more productive uses.

The bugs in Chrome OS, the drivers problem, etc will be fixed over the course of 2011. I suspect the big thing holding it back will be music, but hopefully app developers and Google have something up their sleeve.
 
I really havn't followed this too closely.

I don't see the laptop variety taking off, we're seeing the decline of netbooks as users not only want small size but power. The MBA is evidence of this need. For those that don't need the full capabilities of a laptop are finding that the iPad to be a great option.
 
It'll need to work on a tablet device. Forget laptops. Google's current Android for tablets is some really miserable crap, that's for sure. Of course, the also-rans like Samsung went ahead and released it anyway, looking like complete retards in the process. Sometimes it seems like the divisions of these companies that compete directly with Apple (or that were conceived for the explicit purpose thereof) are failing deliberately! Then again, when you whore out your OS to anyone that can slam together a box, what can you really expect?

Competing with Apple on quality, elegance, and innovation is nearly always a losing battle, even at the best of times. By comparison, most products feel awkward and substandard.

Google's OS/software offerings lack polish. A lot of them feel like slipshod betas with horribly unintuitive UIs. Lots to work on of they want Chrome to be an exemplar of superior User Experience. Then again, they could use their current approach and just flood the market with a lot of mediocre tech that likes to mimic Apple products. THAT strategy seems to be working, although it's ridiculously lame.
 
*LTD* said:
It'll need to work on a tablet device. Forget laptops. Google's current Android for tablets is some really miserable crap, that's for sure. Of course, the also-rans like Samsung went ahead and released it anyway, looking like complete retards in the process. Sometimes it seems like the divisions of these companies that compete directly with Apple (or that were conceived for the explicit purpose thereof) are failing deliberately! Then again, when you whore out your OS to anyone that can slam together a box, what can you really expect?

Competing with Apple on quality, elegance, and innovation is nearly always a losing battle, even at the best of times. By comparison, most products feel awkward and substandard.

Google's OS/software offerings lack polish. A lot of them feel like slipshod betas with horribly unintuitive UIs. Lots to work on of they want Chrome to be an exemplar of superior User Experience. Then again, they could use their current approach and just flood the market with a lot of mediocre tech that likes to mimic Apple products. THAT strategy seems to be working, although it's ridiculously lame.
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They showed android 3.0 honeycomb thats made for tablets. The UI looked to be a major overhaul compared to the 2.2,2.3. Also google its self even stsaed that the current android ui wasn't made for tablets and thats why we get the fail galaxy tab .
 
*LTD* said:
It'll need to work on a tablet device. Forget laptops. Google's current Android for tablets is some really miserable crap, that's for sure. Of course, the also-rans like Samsung went ahead and released it anyway, looking like complete retards in the process. Sometimes it seems like the divisions of these companies that compete directly with Apple (or that were conceived for the explicit purpose thereof) are failing deliberately! Then again, when you whore out your OS to anyone that can slam together a box, what can you really expect?
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1+ million people would disagree with you. No, it's not selling at iPad levels yet, but it's pretty good considering there is only one model instead of 6. If Samsung releases a Wi-Fi only model with a lower price, I bet their sales would catch up quickly.

Not to mention that Google said this version of Android is not really designed for tablets. When the tablet friendly version does come out, I expect sales to increase even more.
 
*LTD* said:
It'll need to work on a tablet device. Forget laptops. Google's current Android for tablets is some really miserable crap, that's for sure.
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And how would you know? Have you used it yourself for a prolonged period of time? I very much doubt it.

I suspect your just spouting your usual Apple fanboy crap.

Sales of 1million is OK, I was expecting a figure of way less.
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/12/03...ale-wants-more-for-the-remainder-of-the-year/

I suspect when Android is properly tooled up for tablets, these devices will outsell iPad. The sales pattern will match that of iPhone / Android.
 
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Huge investment in Internet infrastructure. With no offline usefulness, broadband needs to expand big-time.
 
1) iPad-like battery life.

2) Uncompromising web-experience, that means doing Flash webvideos fullscreen stutter-free, unlike the iPad.

Otherwise, what advantage does this thing have over an iPad? Nobody is going to want to sacrifice the iPad form-factor for a laptop form-factor just so they can type documents a little easier.
 
racer1441 said:
Huge investment in Internet infrastructure. With no offline usefulness, broadband needs to expand big-time.
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This. I live in a small community. Currently I use a AE router, with a WRT54GL set up as a repeater with 7dBi high gain antennae. I get about 4-5 blocks of range with that, but outside of that, My town is a black hole for internet. Just nothing...Not to mention most of my family lives in the country where they don't even have the option for high speed internet.
 
For it to work and even for other devices to work better like the iPad we need world blanket coverage of the internet with no roaming charges.

For a always connected device to work well it needs a connection whether i am in the city, up in some cabin in the highlands, or visiting family in Germany/USA/Rest of world.

Otherwise i need access to my documents and applications via local storage.
 
steve2112 said:
1+ million people would disagree with you. No, it's not selling at iPad levels yet, but it's pretty good considering there is only one model instead of 6. If Samsung releases a Wi-Fi only model with a lower price, I bet their sales would catch up quickly.

Not to mention that Google said this version of Android is not really designed for tablets. When the tablet friendly version does come out, I expect sales to increase even more.
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1 million people need to get their head checked. That figure's about right for how many units you can pinch off and push out to consumers before they wake up to the reality that it's just another subpar Apple device knockoff.

In any case in its current form this lousy effort by Samsung (similar to H-Pee's) is done. Hopefully the next OS attempt by Google will suck a little less. But by then we'll have a new iPad so none of this would have really mattered.
 
roadbloc said:
I think if ChromeOS had been released before the iPad, Google would have been within a chance of getting the netbook market.

Unfortunately, the iPad appears to be in full swing globally as far as a netbook equivalent goes, and more tablet computers are yet to come, fully replacing the market for netbooks that are just used for casual internet usage.

Google appear to be one step behind the rest of the world at the moment.
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Almost all of those tablets will be running Android, which also is a Google platform. So they are hardly behind the rest of the world - in fact, they are -powering- the rest of the world.

Why Google has two competing platforms for basically the same market is a different story altogether. And maybe Marc Fleury was right: They should consolidate both Android and Chrome OS into ONE platform: Droid.

http://www.thedelphicfuture.org/2010/11/chromeos-and-android-there-can-be-only.html

racer1441 said:
Huge investment in Internet infrastructure. With no offline usefulness, broadband needs to expand big-time.
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Broadband WILL expand big time. Don't worry. Even Apple is betting on that.
 
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Winni said:
Almost all of those tablets will be running Android, which also is a Google platform. So they are hardly behind the rest of the world - in fact, they are -powering- the rest of the world.

Why Google has two competing platforms for basically the same market is a different story altogether. And maybe Marc Fleury was right: They should consolidate both Android and Chrome OS into ONE platform: Droid.

http://www.thedelphicfuture.org/2010/11/chromeos-and-android-there-can-be-only.html
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Was not aware that Google were doing a tablet. So fair enough.
 
Hellhammer said:
When Chrome OS was announced, I remember Google saying that it is build around the web browser as that's what most people use their computer for. I can see it being a great success because it will (supposedly) be so simple, and fast. I just saw a video where a netbook booted in less than 7 seconds. Even OS X can't do that. I don't know much about its details or stuff like that but it looks very promising, something that has been missing from the market.

It probably won't offer much for more advanced users but since most of the today's computer users are total newbies, Chrome OS has a lot potential in it. While Windows 7 is a good OS, it may be a bit complicated for a basic user as it should meet the needs of more advanced users. That's the biggest flaw in Windows IMO, it has to meet too many markets, from beginners to professionals. It's very hard to design a product that can satisfy all markets perfectly.

Chrome OS targets the not-so-well-fulfilled market, basic users. That's what billions of us are, thus it may be a huge success if it is done well.
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Fail.

OS X can launch a web browser in less than 7 seconds.

So chrome has potential but Apple products such as the iPad doesn't have potential? :rolleyes:
 
I think Google already has many of the major components it needs to succeed.
It has the ability to run some Windows programs via Citrix, it has a fast startup time (from standby), and it has a deal with an ISP (if the Verizon deal counts).

I think the question is - what does Google want to do with this? Google labled the Nexus One as a success, although it didn't sell as well as analysts thought it would. I think the Chrome netbooks will succeed in that way.

The question is - are mainstream users ready to switch to a new computer paradigm? Will they get confused with the browser-only interface? Basically - will they be able to adapt?

I definitely agree with the online apps for gaming (I hope they're coming...) and the price. But I highly doubt that Google will abandon the cloud and only-a-web-browser philosophy, because that's what separates them (good or bad) from all of the other netbooks.
 
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