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Mac users tend to be fixated on stuff like battery cycles, screen quality
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I agree! Both groups are what I call "spec queens". Windows users are all about the latest and greatest graphics card, over clocking, and case modding while Mac users are nuts over color temps and dpi's.
Great post.
edit: I don't know why I repeated what you said using different words. Sorry. I do agree though.
Great post.
edit: I don't know why I repeated what you said using different words. Sorry. I do agree though.
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Now that I think about it I think I would agree. I work with few people in IT fixing computers I come from a mac background and my friends come from a windows background. Needless to say we always discuss technology with them its always about GPUs and CPU power. They always mess with me because all I talk about is screen resolution and multi display setups.
Good observation I agree though I am sure some will not fall in those categories.
Good observation I agree though I am sure some will not fall in those categories.
There are PC users that care about color gamut and backlight as well. Maybe it's because they have freedom to choose whatever they want. With Macs, your options are very limited and some people might need/want a better display, preferably IPS.
Of course, if you compare 500$ PC to 1500$ Mac, there will be difference. If I had 500$ PC, I would accept few flaws as I know I chose the budget option but when I pay the premium for a Mac, I expect it to be worth it.
Of course, if you compare 500$ PC to 1500$ Mac, there will be difference. If I had 500$ PC, I would accept few flaws as I know I chose the budget option but when I pay the premium for a Mac, I expect it to be worth it.
Freedom to choose what anti-virus to get and what flavor of windows that will slow down to a crawl after months.
Freedom to choose what anti-virus to get and what flavor of windows that will slow down to a crawl after months.
FLAME ON!
(and back off again I hope...)Seriously, I have been experiencing both sides of this debate for quite some time and I totally agree. When I tell PC people I have bought a MBA first thing they say is , my hardware is faster for less money. Even when I tell them the computer is fast enough for my needs, even in the comming years they still laugh and point.
Windows users are also very comfortable with the fact their pc doesn't work or doesn't do what they want. They see it as part of the computer experience, the cursing the shouting, calling someone who "knows something" about computers. They just wont listen when I try to tell them this isn't necessary on a mac. It's all about the hardware baby.
In short I just would like to add this:
For a windows user it's all about what the machine could do, not what you actually do with it. For a mac user it's all about what you do with your pc, not what it possibly could do.
Maybe PC users are so hardware focused because when they choose a new computer, its purely down to specs, so computer manufacturers heavily advertise CPU and GPU as if these are better, the computer is perceived as better value for money. The PC user eventually gets this drilled into them and think its the only thing worth looking at when buying a new PC.
On the other hand as Apple try to differentiate Macs from PCs, they can't really make the CPU and GPU stand out as selling features because they are not unique to the Mac, so focus on avertising screen quality, battery life, etc. and so us Mac users value these features as being much more important than any PC user would!
On the other hand as Apple try to differentiate Macs from PCs, they can't really make the CPU and GPU stand out as selling features because they are not unique to the Mac, so focus on avertising screen quality, battery life, etc. and so us Mac users value these features as being much more important than any PC user would!
I am one of those users that can use both windows 7 and OSX perfectly fine. This is actually a minority on this forum. Neither OS gives me trouble. There are thousands of people that use both with very little trouble so we should stop flinging crap because we cannot or choose not to use one or another. If you had that many problems using windows then its a good choice to stay away. There are millions that can use it, love it, and wouldn't benefit from the change to OSX.
Just because windows 7 didn't work the way you want it, you shouldn't assume it doesn't work the way they want it. They could point to the hundreds of problems people have with OSX on forums and assume OSX is ridden with problems and cursing and shouting is part of OSX. The arrogance of some OSX users crazy. They need to tone it down a bit. Windows 7 is a fine operating system. Both sides need to tone it down a bit.
Mac users are worried about specs and they talk a lot about specs too. There are just less choices. There is very little discussion when you have no choice of graphics card. (This is not a bad thing)
Lots of them would jump on the higher spec plastic notebook with a terrible screen and poor build quality. Before you say "no they wouldn't" think about how it would be advertised. Luckily, apple does not give them this choice. Since users have a choice with windows there is a lot more 'spec' comparison to talk about. Oh look crappy this computer has an i5 and descrete switchable graphics, but they also spent as little as possible on the casing, cooling, and screen.
One of the best benefits apple has is no direct competition. They are still competitive selling a C2D laptop, low/standard resolution screen, slow hd, with 4gigs of ram for 1200 dollars. If a company did that on the windows side, even with the best of quality, there would be trouble.
People are paranoid and worry to much about battery life cycles, but the batteries are not user replaceable on MBA. A non-user replaceable battery on a long-battery life expensive ultraportable laptop has the same effect on the windows crowd.
I think caring about the display is equal. How many times in discussions between buying MBA and MBP do people completely pass over the screen? At least the last three that I can remember.
Lots of windows users use high quality displays for their desktops. I think its about equal. Almost equal chance they will have an LCD on their wall with embarrassing black levels too. There has always been problems with people and their knowledge of displays. Resolution and size are king of the ignorant TV crowd.
I'll go for the build quality and screen of the MBA for a premium any day. I don't need to justify my purchase to the kid that bought a dell(which is on the other end of the spectrum from an Apple in my opinion). That was his choice. If he is having trouble with windows 7 he might have equal trouble with OSX. It was his choice, just like it was our choice to buy our computers. I'm sure he likes people sticking their nose up claiming his operating system is terrible and he is going to huddle in a corner and cry because of his crappy operating system he has accepted and their operating system is a trouble free dream worth hundreds of dollars more. The terrible build quality, cooling, 3 dollar power cable, and every other corner they cut to get those specs into his notebook probably weren't worth it. But it may last him till his next notebook.
Please don't give me a ****-storm because I didn't trash windows7.
Just because windows 7 didn't work the way you want it, you shouldn't assume it doesn't work the way they want it. They could point to the hundreds of problems people have with OSX on forums and assume OSX is ridden with problems and cursing and shouting is part of OSX. The arrogance of some OSX users crazy. They need to tone it down a bit. Windows 7 is a fine operating system. Both sides need to tone it down a bit.
Mac users are worried about specs and they talk a lot about specs too. There are just less choices. There is very little discussion when you have no choice of graphics card. (This is not a bad thing)
Lots of them would jump on the higher spec plastic notebook with a terrible screen and poor build quality. Before you say "no they wouldn't" think about how it would be advertised. Luckily, apple does not give them this choice. Since users have a choice with windows there is a lot more 'spec' comparison to talk about. Oh look crappy this computer has an i5 and descrete switchable graphics, but they also spent as little as possible on the casing, cooling, and screen.
One of the best benefits apple has is no direct competition. They are still competitive selling a C2D laptop, low/standard resolution screen, slow hd, with 4gigs of ram for 1200 dollars. If a company did that on the windows side, even with the best of quality, there would be trouble.
People are paranoid and worry to much about battery life cycles, but the batteries are not user replaceable on MBA. A non-user replaceable battery on a long-battery life expensive ultraportable laptop has the same effect on the windows crowd.
I think caring about the display is equal. How many times in discussions between buying MBA and MBP do people completely pass over the screen? At least the last three that I can remember.
Lots of windows users use high quality displays for their desktops. I think its about equal. Almost equal chance they will have an LCD on their wall with embarrassing black levels too. There has always been problems with people and their knowledge of displays. Resolution and size are king of the ignorant TV crowd.
I'll go for the build quality and screen of the MBA for a premium any day. I don't need to justify my purchase to the kid that bought a dell(which is on the other end of the spectrum from an Apple in my opinion). That was his choice. If he is having trouble with windows 7 he might have equal trouble with OSX. It was his choice, just like it was our choice to buy our computers. I'm sure he likes people sticking their nose up claiming his operating system is terrible and he is going to huddle in a corner and cry because of his crappy operating system he has accepted and their operating system is a trouble free dream worth hundreds of dollars more. The terrible build quality, cooling, 3 dollar power cable, and every other corner they cut to get those specs into his notebook probably weren't worth it. But it may last him till his next notebook.
Please don't give me a ****-storm because I didn't trash windows7.
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We all have the option to by the latest greatest Dell or HP, so why Apple?
My reason: The aluminum unibody won't break or crack the first time I drop it. It might dent, but it's not going to bust open.
The battery lasts a long time. When I was looking at some Sonys and HPs, the batteries lasted a fraction of the time, and then they had the nerve to offer me an spare battery to haul around. Screw that.
The screen has a higher pixel density than most of the other brands. More screen real estate without a bulkier screen is a selling point for me, at least.
They keyboard isn't a clacky flat deal where the keys are stuck up against each other to make way for 1) the LED lights, or 2) more LED lights. I know that I'm going to be typing on a keyboard sized like I'm used to.
My reason: The aluminum unibody won't break or crack the first time I drop it. It might dent, but it's not going to bust open.
The battery lasts a long time. When I was looking at some Sonys and HPs, the batteries lasted a fraction of the time, and then they had the nerve to offer me an spare battery to haul around. Screw that.
The screen has a higher pixel density than most of the other brands. More screen real estate without a bulkier screen is a selling point for me, at least.
They keyboard isn't a clacky flat deal where the keys are stuck up against each other to make way for 1) the LED lights, or 2) more LED lights. I know that I'm going to be typing on a keyboard sized like I'm used to.
you guys tend to care much much more about trackpads, keyboards and sizes whereas windows users only care about if it works.
dont like the track pad? buy a mouse. simple as that
most of us dont fixate on keyboard backlight too. its serves only as a aesthetic function to most of us
dont like the track pad? buy a mouse. simple as that
most of us dont fixate on keyboard backlight too. its serves only as a aesthetic function to most of us
Do you agree?
i come from a windows background and windows users all seem to revolve around gaming and pure performance mostly without caring about color gamut and backlighting that much. Not to mention battery cycling.
You forgot to mention protection. Macbook protection (all kinds) seem to be the hottest of all topics all the time.
Completely agree. The nerds focus on this stuff. Friends I have who dont know anything about computers just like Mac or windows because that is " what they are use to."
I don't agree and I don't know where you get this idea.. i see plenty of discussions about screen quality and battery life. Granted Windows users tend to get crappy displays, battery life, and especially sleep/suspend but read any of the popular forums like Hard OCP or sites like Anandtech and all of those things are discussed. Always have been.
Do you agree?
i come from a windows background and windows users all seem to revolve around gaming and pure performance mostly without caring about color gamut and backlighting that much. Not to mention battery cycling.
The only reason why Mac users care a lot about battery life is because they were getting machines with some impressive battery life aspects in the first place.
People who use portable gaming machines are no different. Especially if they play something different. One reason so many PSP owners wish for more battery life is because it's way too short. Plus, many also play stuff like the Nintendo DS, which has 6x the battery life of the standard PSP battery.
Now, those who never touched the NDS will probably not have battery life as much of an issue.
Same thing for the Mac. I've used a great number of PC laptops. All of them have fairly horrible battery life. But if that is all you use, then perhaps a couple of hours or so of battery life away from power is decent enough. It forms into your expectations because you don't see better.
This applies to all portable electronics. This is not a PC/Mac deal. I also agree with the above. Visit enough PC discussion sites and you'll see a lot of discussion about battery life. The desires for how much might be lesser, but the discussions are there.
People who use portable gaming machines are no different. Especially if they play something different. One reason so many PSP owners wish for more battery life is because it's way too short. Plus, many also play stuff like the Nintendo DS, which has 6x the battery life of the standard PSP battery.
Now, those who never touched the NDS will probably not have battery life as much of an issue.
Same thing for the Mac. I've used a great number of PC laptops. All of them have fairly horrible battery life. But if that is all you use, then perhaps a couple of hours or so of battery life away from power is decent enough. It forms into your expectations because you don't see better.
This applies to all portable electronics. This is not a PC/Mac deal. I also agree with the above. Visit enough PC discussion sites and you'll see a lot of discussion about battery life. The desires for how much might be lesser, but the discussions are there.
Freedom to choose what anti-virus to get and what flavor of windows that will slow down to a crawl after months.
I've been running Windows 7 for several months now and got no virii despite total lack of antivirus. It also hasn't slowed down me at all. What am I doing wrong?
I've been running Windows 7 for several months now and got no virii despite total lack of antivirus. It also hasn't slowed down me at all. What am I doing wrong?
You have a Virus and live in another world
I have reinstall clean Windows one week ago and space is gone, and bootup will be slower and I'm an it technicia and hold my notebook clean, and install nothing except what I need.Mac: run a month without problems.
You have a Virus and live in another world
Mac: run a month without problems.
Who would take you serious when you can't even string together a comprehensible sentence?
Freedom to choose what anti-virus to get and what flavor of windows that will slow down to a crawl after months.
It's people like you on the internet, with your incessant need to join the elitist bandwagon by regurgitating stupid comments you read on TUAW one time, that make me cringe internally any time I have to take my Apple products in an environment where there will be anyone moderately versed in computing. I hate the accidental association by proxy with this sort of religious devotion to a company (be it Apple or Microsoft or Sony or Microsoft or Pepsi or Coca Cola) who doesn't even know who you are, yet is happy to cultivate the cult-esque adoration.
You have a Virus and live in another world
Mac: run a month without problems.
The above, along with tl;dr: generalisations are only your friend if you know how to actually spell.
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Oh sorry that I can not write perfect english, because I'm from Germany, you can write a perfect German sentence.
Otherwise you can teach me and write down my text to the correct "perfect english" text.
But I think you know what I mean. I have MCITP Certification and Apple Support Professional and Apple Technical Coordinator so I know what I'm talking about.
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Oh sorry that I can not write perfect english, because I'm from Germany, you can write a perfect German sentence.
Otherwise you can teach me and write down my text to the correct "perfect english" text.
But I think you know what I mean. I have MCITP Certification and Apple Support Professional and Apple Technical Coordinator so I know what I'm talking about.
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I have a Your Mother certification in giving you Internet Cookies; no charge, and you're welcome.
No, I don't know what you mean. Also, I am not German-speaking which is probably why I don't post on German forums.
I'm also actually the serving President for "Internet Experts," a worldwide conglomerate of people who know things and let others know that they do. I'm afraid I can't provide you any qualifications of this, but take my word for it; I'm genuine. I'm also on a forum telling you that I'm more versed in a subject than you are and you can trust me because I use correct punctuation and spelling.
Gold star? Yes, I'll have one.
In case my point went over your head, I fail to see how your e-certs in Apple products qualifies you as an expert on Microsoft ones.
MCITP = Microsoft Certified IT Professional
Go to this site
My MCP ID: 861446
Access Code: sne7aqn4j3
And this qualifying me as an Microsoft expert.