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If normal worker also hardly can afford those beast machine imac pro..
If you really had money then go .

I would like to knew, are your lecturer force student to buy this product like ? If me, i would use lab instead.
 
Both of those are overkill for what you want to do. But clearly you have the money to spare so I would get the iMac pro.
 
Just start saving. By the time enough are ready to buy anything, new iMacs will be out and they will probably be 6 cores.

If you want more than 4 cores but know that most of your software won’t take advantage of 10, then wait for 6 at the lower price point.
 
You say what you're doing - you don't say why. If the work you're doing in illustrator, CC et al is paid, then you can do some form of cost benefit analysis and determine how quickly the machine will pay for itself in increased throughput. If this stuff is more hobbyist (i.e it can still be important, but you're not being paid for it), then the question is harder. If you're willing to save for the iMac Pro, then start saving, that way if the need for any kind of iMac becomes urgent, you have got something put aside to help with the cost and you can maybe buy something immediately.
 
a lot thing is missing here..

Are you doing outside job or student job ?
IF yes.. Are the client require high amount of detailing and great budget. Push the customer instead.
If no, stick to normal laptop as you used now .

Why you need raw while you edit in jpeg?
Yes it may low quality but it should reduce overhead rendering in bridge ..Suppose

Some people make get a loan for it.. but as student how should so ?

Why employee discount while you can get student discount?
 
iMac

4.2GHz quad-core i7 (up to 4.5GHz)
64 GB RAM
Radeon Pro 580 8 GB GDDR5

iMac Pro

3.0GHz 10-core Xeon (up to 4.5GHz)
64 GB RAM
Radeon Pro Vega 64 16 GB HBM2

Current computer:

Mid 2012 MacBook Pro, maxed out
2.7GHz quad-core i7 (up to 3.7GHz)
16 GB RAM
GeForce GT 650M 1 GB

Used for:

Photoshop CC
  • Image average-stacking hundreds of high-resolution 14-bit RAW files (fills up my RAM in my laptop and slows down a ton after that, sometimes freezing or never completing when doing upwards of 300 images) resulting in 5-15 GB files
  • Manipulating multiple smart objects
  • Panorama stitching of 300+ megapixel 14-bit images, and manipulating pictures that are 10+ GB per file
  • Aligning of over 50+ JPEG images (anything over 30 completely freezes my MBP and process does not complete)
  • Batch processing RAWs (MBP handles great)
Illustrator CC
  • Digital illustration, vector drawing, web mockups. Currently lags on NVIDIA 650M but is totally usable. Would love a great GPU to make it fly, though.
InDesign CC
  • Exporting of 100-page publications with artwork and high-resolution TIFFs
  • Lags a little, especially with quality settings on high, but is totally usable when it doesn’t lock up. The more high-res bitmap images, the laggier. I want to eventually get a 4K monitor to use alongside the internal display, and that would only make things worse here.
Bridge CC
  • Previews of hundreds of images render slowly and max out CPU, and fans go crazy until it's done
Lightroom & After Effects CC
  • Render timelapse footage from gigabytes of 16-bit Photoshop documents
Final Cut Pro
  • Cutting 1080p & 4K ProRes footage. No 8K footage and no RAW video.
  • Runs great on the MBP with 1080p video. Less experience with 4K, but hopefully I’m going to figure out a new camera for myself in the future which does record 4K.
  • I have not used Premiere Pro CC extensively, but it's possible I could switch to that workflow for individual projects if I'm involved in something that requires it.

If I knew every operation in all of these Adobe apps were optimized for multicore through-and-through I’d know the 10-core is the ultimate choice. Yet I’m also thinking that the i7 in the iMac wouldn’t give me a substantial improvement over the i7 in the MBP; maybe 10-20% at most. I’d end up in a situation where I spend a whole lot of money and get very little performance increase, or spend an even more insane amount of money and get a whole lot of it?

I know the beefier GPU will definitely help with InDesign & Illustrator, and those apps & Photoshop eat up VRAM like it’s nothing.

By the way, I know I’m looking for something better because of the MBP, but I’m always amazed at how much of this I’ve managed to do on it! Everyone else I know does a lot of this on desktops. Really speaks to what a great machine it is. I've been throwing lots of stuff at it, so for the past 2-3 years it's been glitching out/having graphical distortion & unexpected restarts, unfortunately, but it's pretty easy to work through it! (Save a lot.)

Anyway, I honestly don’t know how I’d manage to afford an iMac Pro, but I can probably scrape together the cash, and I know someone who might be able to get me an employee discount. I'm just exploring at this point to see if it's even worth it.

Hadn’t really heard of this site before and I don’t usually post on forums, but hopefully some good will come of it! Would love it if anyone with experience with my core programs chimed in. I'm awful at replying but know that I am reading your input—thank you and much appreciated!
I doubt about CPU importance in your situation:
-you'll get a really big & nice wide-gamut retina screen.
-you'll get new Thunderbolt3 and more ports.
-you could get a Mac with insanely fast internal ssd.
-you´ll get new gen Intel CPU, supporting low level graphic decoding & faster RAM accessing.
This is true about both iMac & iMac Pro.
iMac Pro would give you an even-faster ssd, more cpu cores, more ports & faster-newer gpu...
If you see things this way, you can think (as I do) that whatever you buy, it will be a real jump from your actual system.
I would be tempted to get the Pro if I had the money... BUT not too fast!: you have to consider added cost when upgrading memory, and all the possible exigences a pro machine could demand in future situations. Like getting a luxury car... you should be able to maintain it & keep it in perfect fit.
Perhaps an iMac is easier at that. A person who makes money with a computer can afford expensive upgrades or repairs.
IMHO
 
If the i7 27" is too much then, what would you suggest? The 64 GB of memory is definitely crazy,

I'd say that the i7 27" is about right if it is in your price range - if money is tight go for the i5 and spend the extra on SSD. Avoid the Fusion drive and go for enough SSD to hold the system and your "work in progress" - you'll need external storage for backup and archiving anyway. Remember that fast SSD will also help if you run out of RAM and MacOS/Photoshop start relying on temporary files or swap space.
Get the 8GB RAM and add two 16GB sticks from Crucial to give you 40GB.

I'd only consider the iMac Pro (but maybe the 8 core) for your sort of work if I had either a stack of cash or a business plan. I'm sure it would be great, though.
 
You are a student any Imac will be just fine for you, don’t sweat it. Buy what you can afford close to when you start your course and make sure it has a decent SSD size (512 would be good) and get some external storage and a backup disk.

upgrade RAM yourself it’s very easy on the 27 inch Imac there is a flap to access it, you will probably be ok with 8gb, 16gb will be more than you need but I would get the 16gb kit of 2x8gb and add it to the 8gb installed for 24gb and never think about it again.
 
For photoshop benchmarks, poke around

https://macperformanceguide.com and http://barefeats.com

note that you're unlikely to get a directly comparable set of results since Adobe and Apple have updated their software...

Also the macbook pro runs Ivy Bridge. Intel has updated quicksync to support more contemporary video formats...

The one thing that you will lose is CUDA support-- as more recent macs use AMD. I don't know if that's important to your workflow. Probably not since the 650M doesn't have a lot of VRAM.
 
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Great point. Though I have had various graphic design jobs previously, at the moment I’m not producing commercial design work. And I certainly did not make enough to quickly pay for an iMac Pro.
Okay. that the answer i want and everybody want to knew also.. Seem i see the problem now.

Like i do in web app. All thumbnail are resizable.. Since i may think those raw file is big, so rerender just for viewing take edges. I don't know it was bug for bridge or not, they should render just thumbnail jpeg for speed preview and on editing then open the raw file.

My Advise, don't push yourself to debt just to get imac pro. Even i used 8 GB RAM 2017 IMAC. Calculate base on pricing and cost as other mention above.

Great Image doesn't come from pixel but the moment ..
 
iMac

4.2GHz quad-core i7 (up to 4.5GHz)
64 GB RAM
Radeon Pro 580 8 GB GDDR5

iMac Pro

3.0GHz 10-core Xeon (up to 4.5GHz)
64 GB RAM
Radeon Pro Vega 64 16 GB HBM2

Current computer:

Mid 2012 MacBook Pro, maxed out
2.7GHz quad-core i7 (up to 3.7GHz)
16 GB RAM
GeForce GT 650M 1 GB

Used for:

Photoshop CC
  • Image average-stacking hundreds of high-resolution 14-bit RAW files (fills up my RAM in my laptop and slows down a ton after that, sometimes freezing or never completing when doing upwards of 300 images) resulting in 5-15 GB files
  • Manipulating multiple smart objects
  • Panorama stitching of 300+ megapixel 14-bit images, and manipulating pictures that are 10+ GB per file
  • Aligning of over 50+ JPEG images (anything over 30 completely freezes my MBP and process does not complete)
  • Batch processing RAWs (MBP handles great)
Illustrator CC
  • Digital illustration, vector drawing, web mockups. Currently lags on NVIDIA 650M but is totally usable. Would love a great GPU to make it fly, though.
InDesign CC
  • Exporting of 100-page publications with artwork and high-resolution TIFFs
  • Lags a little, especially with quality settings on high, but is totally usable when it doesn’t lock up. The more high-res bitmap images, the laggier. I want to eventually get a 4K monitor to use alongside the internal display, and that would only make things worse here.
Bridge CC
  • Previews of hundreds of images render slowly and max out CPU, and fans go crazy until it's done
Lightroom & After Effects CC
  • Render timelapse footage from gigabytes of 16-bit Photoshop documents
Final Cut Pro
  • Cutting 1080p & 4K ProRes footage. No 8K footage and no RAW video.
  • Runs great on the MBP with 1080p video. Less experience with 4K, but hopefully I’m going to figure out a new camera for myself in the future which does record 4K.
  • I have not used Premiere Pro CC extensively, but it's possible I could switch to that workflow for individual projects if I'm involved in something that requires it.

If I knew every operation in all of these Adobe apps were optimized for multicore through-and-through I’d know the 10-core is the ultimate choice. Yet I’m also thinking that the i7 in the iMac wouldn’t give me a substantial improvement over the i7 in the MBP; maybe 10-20% at most. I’d end up in a situation where I spend a whole lot of money and get very little performance increase, or spend an even more insane amount of money and get a whole lot of it?

I know the beefier GPU will definitely help with InDesign & Illustrator, and those apps & Photoshop eat up VRAM like it’s nothing.

By the way, I know I’m looking for something better because of the MBP, but I’m always amazed at how much of this I’ve managed to do on it! Everyone else I know does a lot of this on desktops. Really speaks to what a great machine it is. I've been throwing lots of stuff at it, so for the past 2-3 years it's been glitching out/having graphical distortion & unexpected restarts, unfortunately, but it's pretty easy to work through it! (Save a lot.)

Anyway, I honestly don’t know how I’d manage to afford an iMac Pro, but I can probably scrape together the cash, and I know someone who might be able to get me an employee discount. I'm just exploring at this point to see if it's even worth it.

Hadn’t really heard of this site before and I don’t usually post on forums, but hopefully some good will come of it! Would love it if anyone with experience with my core programs chimed in. I'm awful at replying but know that I am reading your input—thank you and much appreciated!

I have the Mac Pro, and my recommendation would be to buy the 27" iMac. Almost nothing in the Adobe CC suite will use the full power of the machine, and will in fact run slower due to Adobe's mostly single-threaded programming, and the higher base clock of the iMac. The only possible use case you would have for the pro would be needing more than 64GB of RAM, but I doubt that you even need 32GB. My late 2015 iMac had 24GB, and I never had a problem with it running out while using graphic design apps.

The iMac Pro isn't a faster iMac for 98% of apps, it's a very specialized machine for very specific kinds of workloads. I bought the Pro to work in computationally intensive 3D apps. One of which can easily eat 100GB of RAM in a single run. Unless you're working for EA on Star Wars: Battlefront creating art assets from 3D object scans, there's no way that you'll need that much power.
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Last thought I had is making time for a Hackintosh. Something in between the iMac and the Pro that’d hopefully be cheaper than either.

I believe the iMacs aren’t bad value for money like PC people claim, once you add in the wide-gamut 5K display and the gorgeous design. For really cheap performance and upgradability though, I can put up with an ugly case. I haven’t worked with any monitor beyond 15” and I’d really, really look forward to that too at this point. For my kind of work it would feel so freeing.

Thank you all for your measured and thoughtful ideas! I didn’t know what this would be like but I really appreciate it.
I tried the Hackintosh route, and wasted a lot of time and money on it that could have been better spent working. Only to end up with a computer that I couldn't trust to work properly from one day to the next. Just buy a real Mac and concentrate on your studies/work instead.
 
... well... you could like some gaming after homework, perhaps... imacpro_vs_xplane.png
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http://barefeats.com/index.html
 
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