MacBook Pro 13 EU USB-C charger not grounded?

[Robertjan88]

Yesterday, I bought a 13 inch MacBook Pro. When touching the MacBook, once it hits about 100%, I can feel static vibration (e.g. when swiping with my finger e.g. above the Touchbar).

The standard (default) EU USB-C charger has only 2 pins and does not seem to contain the additional iron grounding larger plugs have.

Is there a solution for this? Can static energy caused by lack of grounding damage the MacBook Pro in the long term when touching it (which would mean I can't charge and work at the same time)? I assume that the MacBook is working like a "cage of faraday", but rather double check.

 

[jerryk]

Yesterday, I bought a 13 inch MacBook Pro. When touching the MacBook, once it hits about 100%, I can feel static vibration (e.g. when swiping with my finger e.g. above the Touchbar).

The standard (default) EU USB-C charger has only 2 pins and does not contain the iron grounding larger plugs have.

Is there a solution for this? Can static energy caused by lack of grounding damage the MacBook Pro in the long term when touching it (which would mean I can't charge and work at the same time)? I assume that the MacBook is working like a "cage of faraday", but rather double check.

The static you feel is harmless. But, you always buy a grounded plug/extension cord from apple that will replace the 2 prong plug on the charger and that should get rid of the static. They should be listed on the Apple website.

 

[Robertjan88]

Thanks. Why is such a plug not standard?

Is this the US version of one I require: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK122LL/A/power-adapter-extension-cable?fnode=85

Would be this one in the EU: https://www.apple.com/es/shop/product/MK122Z/A/cable-alargador-adaptador-corriente?fnode=85

 

[jerryk]

Thanks. Why is such a plug not standard?

It used to be they came with both the 2 prong and the grounded 1 meter extension plug. But I suspect most people, like me, prefer to plug the charger directly in the wall and never used the grounded plug 1 meter long cord. So they quit shipping them. I know I never even pulled this cord out of the box of my last 2 MacBook Pros.

 

[Ploki]

your installation ground is probably wired to neutral anyway

 

[Robertjan88]

your installation ground is probably wired to neutral anyway

? What do you mean by that?
Spoke to a Genius over the phone. They also mentioned it isn't harmful, but if I don't also recommendes the extended cable (which is grounded) in case it was a problem for me.

Relieves it's not harmful, but will probably buy the extended cable anyhow. It will eliminate the static vibration and give me more room due to the additional cable.

 

[Conutz]

? What do you mean by that?
Spoke to a Genius over the phone. They also mentioned it isn't harmful, but if I don't also recommendes the extended cable (which is grounded) in case it was a problem for me.

Relieves it's not harmful, but will probably buy the extended cable anyhow. It will eliminate the static vibration and give me more room due to the additional cable.

I’ve felt that vibration when moving my fingers across the aluminium - it feels weird, but it definitely felt mechanical rather than electrical. It doesn’t happen all the time and I’d guess it depends on the level of moisture on your hands...

 

[Ploki]

? What do you mean by that?
Spoke to a Genius over the phone. They also mentioned it isn't harmful, but if I don't also recommendes the extended cable (which is grounded) in case it was a problem for me.

Relieves it's not harmful, but will probably buy the extended cable anyhow. It will eliminate the static vibration and give me more room due to the additional cable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_and_neutral#Combining_neutral_with_ground

I’ve felt that vibration when moving my fingers across the aluminium - it feels weird, but it definitely felt mechanical rather than electrical. It doesn’t happen all the time and I’d guess it depends on the level of moisture on your hands...

it feels mechanical but it's electrical

 

[Conutz]

it feels mechanical but it's electrical

What I feel is only there when my fingers drag along the surface, so yours must be something else.

 

[Ploki]

What I feel is only there when my fingers drag along the surface, so yours must be something else.

it's not. this is old news
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1072370

 

[mackiee]

As said before, get the the extention cord with the grounded plug. I had exactly the same ”problem” and it went away (mostly if not all) when the charger is grounded.

 

[Ploki]

As said before, get the the extention cord with the grounded plug. I had exactly the same ”problem” and it went away (mostly if not all) when the charger is grounded.

Grounding also works with children

 

[leman]

your installation ground is probably wired to neutral anyway

That kind of installation is strictly illegal in Germany and probably in the rest of the EU as well...

 

[Ploki]

That kind of installation is strictly illegal in Germany and probably in the rest of the EU as well...

i wish

 

[jerryk]

i wish

Agreed. My travels in the EU has shown a lot of "interesting" wiring and applications of the "rules".

 

[Ploki]

Agreed. My travels in the EU has shown a lot of "interesting" wiring and applications of the "rules".

oh yeah, especially eastern europe.

 

[magbarn]

The sad thing is none of my MagSafe MacBooks did this. It’s a usb c charger MacBook issue. It bugs the heck out of me so thankfully had extension cords saved up from prior MacBooks which got rid of the problem

 

[Ploki]

The sad thing is none of my MagSafe MacBooks did this. It’s a usb c charger MacBook issue. It bugs the heck out of me so thankfully had extension cords saved up from prior MacBooks which got rid of the problem

It's not a USB-C problem, and all MagSafe's did that without an extension...

it's a problem of apple being cheap

 

[Conutz]

it's not. this is old news
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1072370

Sure, and it happens when running on battery due to an earthing problem.

 

[Ploki]

Sure, and it happens when running on battery due to an earthing problem.

it happens when running on mains without the grounding prong.

 

[y2jm14]

I’ve felt that vibration when moving my fingers across the aluminium - it feels weird, but it definitely felt mechanical rather than electrical. It doesn’t happen all the time and I’d guess it depends on the level of moisture on your hands...

YES I FELT IT TOO. SOME vibration on the casing of MACBOOK PRO.

but is there any other way to prevent being grounded. I feel sometimes that there is static electricity,.

 

[537635]

That kind of installation is strictly illegal in Germany and probably in the rest of the EU as well...

Eastern Europe here. Anything built 1980 and later is definitely grounded. Before that it's a hit or miss. Might be properly grounded. Might be grounded to neutral. Might be grounded to lead water pipes and washing the dishes after turning on the stove will kill you (actually happened).

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

your installation ground is probably wired to neutral anyway

It's required by electric code. Weird, isn't it. I'm not a trained electrician, but have worked with enough of them over the years. Sub panels are not required, or recommended, to be 'bonded'. In fact it can cause serious issues. There is such a thing as a 'floating ground', and that is really bad too. My mom's house was build back in the, well WAY BACK, and it had some aluminum wiring, and also most outlets were just 2-wire, no ground. She went through several kitchen appliances, and computers. An APC power filter unit stopped the computer deaths, and some rewiring of specific outlets in the kitchen saved appliances too. Some of her wiring couldn't be replaced easily due to partial slab construction, and an attic that was just a hideous elevated crawl space, but I eventually got her house rewired and replumbed. (She had numerous sub panels, and still had screw in fuses!)

Yes, house electricity has a disturbing level of art in it, so it seems. But NEVER mess around in your mains circuit box. ESPECIALLY while energized! And, yes, get the extension cable. I have saved a bunch from dead Apple equipment, and they really come in handy since they have been cheating people out of them.

Working at a computer dealer, a guy comes in looking to 'buy a power cord'. The guy that talked to him was rather shocked. 'So let me get this straight, you want to *buy* a power cable?' Anyone with any amount of technology likely has a bunch of cables laying around. The manager told him to sell him 'any cable from 'the box'. Pick one with the wire tie still on it so it looks 'official'. Charge him ten bucks.' Apple charges, what, $15? But get it... When I was traveling, those things came in handy SO MANY TIMES!

EDIT: Apple charges $20 for the cable? Wow...

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Hard to tell if this is a Schuko plug. It's usage would be somewhat limited, but would obviously work better than the plastic adapters that can get stressed and cracked.

 

[Ploki]

Hard to tell if this is a Schuko plug. It's usage would be somewhat limited, but would obviously work better than the plastic adapters that can get stressed and cracked.

it definitely is a schuko plug i have many of these lying around.