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A couple of days ago I got my new MacBook Pro 14" and also got a new BENQ PD2725U external monitor as this is all replacing an old iMac. I have a very serious and very specific screen flickering issue that is especially apparent when running "Dark" appearance. The flickering will start after a few minutes and I can specifically force it by placing a window on the screen and moving it around the screen for a few minutes or displaying dark moving content/scrolling dark content.


For anyone that comes across this same issue I've managed to do some further testing and have some conclusions. Note I have a case open with Apple and hope they'll take the issue seriously. I may need to consider returning the laptop and the screen. It may even force me to a Windows laptop (at least for a while) since I can't get a new Intel MacBook Pro

For reference I ruled these out previously:

  1. Cable/ports - I'm able to get the flicker to occur on Thunderbolt and HDMI as well as trying multiple thunderbolt ports
  2. Power - I've tried different power cables and different sockets around the house
  3. Refresh rate - Happens at 60 and 30hz
  4. Colour profiles/brightness settings etc - I've ruled all of these out
To test out I've used 3 different laptops on the same monitor. These are:

  1. MacBook Pro 14" (10 CPU/16 GPU) M1 Pro running Monterey
  2. MacBook Air 13" M1 2020 running Big Sur
  3. MacBook Pro 15" Core i7 (Radeon Pro 555 2GB) running Big Sur
  4. Monitor is the BENQ PD2725U Pro Designer monitor
The test:

In each case I used the same Thunderbolt cable and same monitor. All machines are set to "Dark" appearance and have the same background image to give a fair test

Test 1: MacBook Pro 14" (1) - After around 5 minutes displaying dark content flickering starts to appear. Moving the window around to different locations changes the flickering/ghosting that appears

Test 2: MacBook Air 13" (2) - After around 2 minutes displaying dark content flicking starts to appear. Moving the window around to different locations changes the flickering/ghosting that appears

Test 3: MacBook Pro 15" i7 (3) - I cannot make the screen flicker no matter how hard I try!!!

Results:

  1. Issue is present on both M1 machines
  2. Issue is NOT present on the intel powered MacBook Pro 15"
  3. Issue is present on both Big Sur and Monterey when on M1 processor
Conclusions:

  1. M1 GPU has an issue with external displays OR
  2. Some external displays have a compatibility issue with M1 GPU
  3. My display is faulty but it is only being presented when connected to a machine with M1 GPU
 
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I've been dealing with this issue on my Dell external monitor ever since I got my 16" M1 Max over a year ago. I've tried every software suggestion mentioned in this thread and while things are a little better with variable refresh rate, True Tone, and Night Shift turned off, it's still very much an issue for me. Basically every time I have to work with a dark area (I'm a designer so this is common), the screen starts flickering like crazy and becomes unusable. I have to set up Adobe CC apps with light mode, and you can forget about dark mode at the OS level or on YouTube.

This was never an issue with my Intel notebook.

How is this not a more widely reported issue? It's affecting basically everyone on M1/M2 that's not using an Apple monitor, right? If there's anyone out there who is on this setup and doesn't have issues with dark areas, I'd love to hear from them!
 
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Huh so it wasn't just me. I had recently returned my S3221QS thinking that the flickering was due to the faulty monitor but my new Samsung monitor does the exact same thing again.

It's odd because the display works just fine when connected to Windows. I tried different cables, changed the settings around but still the same. Out of ideas now :(

Hey, please raise with Apple support. Hopefully it is just a software bug but we need apple to know how widespread it is.

I haven’t for any real length of time ran in light appearance. I’m going to try that. It’s a workaround at least for now though I believe it could still present itself if watching moving dark content like a movie
 
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Same issue here, I use Xiaomi 27" Monitor RMMNT27NF in my MacBook Pro M1 2020 with Monterey OS, and I still see this issue in MacBook Pro Intel 2020 (Monterey OS) with same Monitor. But, i don't see this issue in Windows. So my assumption it's OS or Driver issue.

Hope Apple fix this issue.
 
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MacBook Pro M1 using external screen Acer CB281HK 4k model. Using white (not dark) mode, external monitor flickering. reproducible by loading up system ie multiple programs or many tabs on safari. Even in minimal work mode that an old intel MSI could do, new machine was failing. It almost looked like an interlacing failure on some images / screens.

Possible solution: changed built in display to 60Hz (from ProMotion). Access via settings > Displays > displays > refresh rate. (note: fault on external display, but fix seems is applied on built in display!)
Good luck, as my first apple laptop, was NOT happy with this fault.
 
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I'm still having issues with the external monitor flickering when connected to the external monitor (Dell 3221qs).
It's a macbook pro 14inch base model. Tried all the suggestions mentioned in this thread. But issue still persists. Also chatting with apple support for the same.
 
I recently bought a Dell U4021QW, and within a week, I have noticed on two separate occasions that the monitor was flickering. And it was driving me insane as the problem would disappear the next day, making it difficult to seek warranty support.

I think I have just figured out the setting that is triggering it.

First, my setup
1. 14" M1 Pro Macbook Pro, running MacOS 12.2.1
2. Dell U4021QW, running latest firmware M2T104, with factory setting
3. The MacBook is connected to the Dell using a Thunderbolt 4 cable. And I have tried different cables.

The flickering would occur when the following conditions are met, and is consistently reproducible:
1. After sunset and before sunrise
2. The Macbook is operating in clamshell mode (ie lid is closed)
3. Night Shift is enabled on the Dell (Schedule: Sunset to Sunrise, Manual: selected), and the Colour Temperature is set to somewhere around the 25% mark (I think this will differ depending on your environment, your monitor model etc)

I can stop the flickering instantly and consistently by doing any one of the following:
1. Manually adjust the Colour Temperature setting either to the left (less warm) or to the right (more warm)
2. Turn off Night Shift altogether (Unselect the Manual tick box, or set Schedule to Off)
3. Flip open the lid of the Macbook screen (ie disable clamshell mode)

Can those of you who are also suffering from similar problems to try this and confirm my theory?
 
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Hi All.

I recently got an Acer VG272U to use as an external monitor for my 2020 13" M1 MacBook Pro. I'm also having extreme flickering issues on this external display. The display is connected via an Anker 7-in-2 adapter, using a HDMI cable.

The issue seems to be directly brought on by watching any form of video (YouTube is a prime cause), or using the MacBook's built-in camera when connected to the display. The issue seems to not happen randomly for me anymore (I hope), and is only brought on by these two scenarios - I can browse safari, do my work, play chess etc all fine so long as I do not watch any form of video.

I have been back and forth between Apple and Acer now since I obtained the monitor, and nothing either party has said or suggested as a fix has actually come even close to resolving the issue.

The monitor sees the flickering issue when also connected to my iPad Pro, but I tested a Chromebook and the issue is not present when that is connected. It seems to be an issue concerning only Apple devices.

Acer have flat-out told me that there must be a compatibility issue, and to return the monitor, take my MacBook to a store where they sell displays, and plug it in and test every single one until I find one that doesn't have the issue!

I find it absolutely appalling that such a huge company can allow such an issue to go on for so long with no fix. I was even looking into the possibility of downgrading my MacBook to an intel model, as I hear the issue is not present on these MacBooks.

Honestly I wish we could all band together and force Apple to do something via legal action. It should not be allowed that they produce devices incapable of such a simple task. It should be law that they ensure they are compatible with at least a portion of 3rd party displays, or at least can provide a list of ones which are 100% compatible - because when asked no technicians could even give me that! But you can bet 100% that their own $1500+ displays won't see this issue! It reminds me of the battery life scandal all over again!
 
How is this not a more widely reported issue? It's affecting basically everyone on M1/M2 that's not using an Apple monitor, right? If there's anyone out there who is on this setup and doesn't have issues with dark areas, I'd love to hear from them!
When I called Apple a few months ago, they were apparently not aware of this problem.
I suggest everyone reading this thread wave their hand to Apple to get them do something.

In a first time it can be done easily by following these links and click on "Me too" button (no need to log in) :

... the list of threads like this goes on and on...


Finally, a little more work to do but very important to get their attention, fill in this feedback form and describe the problem :

You can even put the link to this thread in your comment !
At some point, those threads and feedbacks may put the issue in their priorities 🤞
 
Just wanted to chime in as I am also experiencing flickering between my brand new MacBook Pro 16 M2 Max and my brand new LG 40WP95C. I have tried everything this forum suggests (turning off TrueTone, Night Shift, setting custom color etc) but the flicker keeps coming and going. I am honestly so disappointed by this.
 
Here in possession of a Mac mini M2 with the same problem.

I have a Benq PD3205U and also have a flickering image every day. Only by disconnecting the monitor from the power does the flickering go away. The Monitor is connected to the Mac mini via USB-C.

I bought a USB-C monitor especially to connect it with one cable and to be able to use the KVM switch at the same time. Unfortunately, this is not a solution, a monitor should work as intended via USB-C, even if connecting via HDMI or display port does not offer a solution.

It's actually sad that after all this time Apple hasn't changed anything by means of an update (for this bug). Too bad, because a monitor other than that of Apple itself (which is much too expensive) apparently does not solve the problem.
FYI—I have an Apple Pro XDR Display... this problem exists with an Apple-branded external monitor, too. (I did not experience it with an M1 Max MBP but DO experience it with multiple M2 Max MBPs.)

I can replicate it with certain software and have identified that with brightness set to <=14 out of 16 units (via F1/F2) the flickering does not occur on my setup.
 

Hello, guys! 👋​


I visited the eye doctor three weeks ago because I work 8-10 hours in front of displays. During the visit, I mentioned that I've been experiencing eye strain due to my eyes getting worse over the past two years from staring at screens. I've been taking daily pills and using eye drops to reduce the strain, but it hasn't improved. The doctor mentioned that he knew someone at Sony who might be able to help. On Monday, that person called me, and he was sympathetic. He offered to help by inviting me to bring all my laptops (I have a 16" M1 Pro and a 16" M2 Max MacBook) so we could figure out the problem.

Excited about the opportunity, I packed everything into my car and drove to the Sony headquarters. I wasn't sure what to expect, so I brought along a variety of equipment, including three Dell monitors (U4320Q, U2722DE, P3223DE) and a Benq EL2870U. I also had 17 different cables of varying lengths and brands (USB-C, USB-C to HDMI, USB-C to DP, HDMI). I didn't include any dongles because I've had bad luck with them in the past, as they couldn't support 60Hz or 4K resolution at more than 30Hz.

When I arrived at Sony, I met Jakob, the display specialist, who turned out to be a very knowledgeable and helpful person. I was amazed that such an expert would take the time to assist me. We brought everything inside and connected all the devices. Jakob ran a display test, and to my surprise, everything appeared perfect with no display faults, except for a few dead pixels we discovered. It was a relief to know that the displays were in good condition.

Next, Jakob tested all the cables, and surprisingly, everything seemed fine. I was confused because I was certain there was an issue with one of the cables. However, two of the cheap cables from Shengzeng failed the test, confirming my suspicions.

Then Jakob suggested we open up the MacBook to investigate further. I was initially hesitant but decided to give him the older M1 Pro model, just in case anything went wrong. He examined the internals and noticed something missing that is typically found in Windows computers and laptops—a small controller or protective shielding. Even Nvidia, AMD, and the integrated graphics card CPUs usually have this feature. Jakob couldn't find any shielding or the expected controller. It's worth mentioning that he had never worked with an Apple Silicon before, but he seemed confident in his element, focusing mainly on the HDMI and USB outputs. We took a short break, and when we returned, Jakob touched the MacBook lid, and I could feel the familiar vibration that many MacBook users experience. He said, "Aha," and I wasn't sure what he meant at the time.

Jakob then grabbed two HDMI cables for testing—one was a cheap, short, and thick cable that I had never tried before, measuring exactly 1 meter in length. The other was a longer, thinner cable from a premium brand that cost around 43 Euros. To my surprise, the 1-meter thick HDMI cable worked perfectly without any issues, which shocked me.

However, the longer, 2-meter HDMI cable with nylon weave insulation started exhibiting ghosting, flickering, and smearing. It was quite strange. Moving on to USB-C cables, the short and thick one worked fine, but the thinner 0.8-meter cable failed. Jakob then measured the outgoing and incoming voltage, finding no issues with the thick cable. However, when he tested the longer cables, he noticed unstable voltage and signal fluctuations, resembling a zigzag

graph rather than a smooth wave. This perplexed him, suggesting that either there was no voltage regulator or the cables were too thin. The microvolts fluctuated and jumped between the steel connectors on the monitor and MacBook housing. All the USB-C to HDMI and DP cables became extremely hot at the monitor connection, reaching temperatures over 45 degrees Celsius due to excessive power transmission. One cheap USB-C to HDMI cable even reached 73 degrees Celsius, posing a serious danger.

We conducted thorough tests, as Jakob was genuinely interested in finding a solution. I was just happy that the dilemma was resolved, and I could work more comfortably without experiencing eye strain.

Jakob couldn't determine if a proper regulator was built into the MacBook or if the shielding was missing. However, on the thin cables, the MacBook consistently raised and lowered the voltage. Although he didn't want to claim that Apple made a mistake, it certainly seemed that way to him. The voltage fluctuations on the MacBook and the steel housing of the monitor were the root cause of the problem.

Apologies for the long story, but I wanted to provide a detailed description of the problem.

Here's the fix for the issue:

  1. Avoid cable lengths over 1 meter (the sweet spot is 0.8-1m max).
  2. Check if the cables have thick wires. Thicker wires tend to have fewer problems.
  3. Cable insulation is crucial. Rubber cables provide the best performance (avoid nylon, neoprene, and other cheap materials).
  4. Stick to the traditional HDMI technology and be cautious with HDMI or DP output dongles.
  5. If using a USB-C cable, keep it as short as possible (0.8-1m max) with thick insulation.
  6. If you experience flickering, protect your display (the controller may sustain damage) or the MacBook could be at risk of voltage-related damage.
  7. Avoid steel cases for USB-C and HDMI connectors (plastic or rubber is ideal).

HDMI cables are currently the best option, particularly those with lengths of 0.5m and 1m. Choose cables with a thick, chunky design, appropriate wire thickness, top-notch insulation, and a rubber casing.

!!! HDMI for order or view !!!


For USB-C enthusiasts, go for 0.5m and 1m cables without flickering issues. Look for thick USB-C cables with a rubber casing.

!!! USB C for order or view !!!


*Please note that I've tested all these cables, and they work perfectly. Cheaper cables may also work, but you may experience slight flickering. However, ghosting can be avoided by keeping the cable length under 1 meter and ensuring it has sufficient thickness.*

**I've conducted tests on 17 cables and 4 monitors with an expert, and now I can enjoy Dark Mode, Dark Reader, and the dark Apple backgrounds without any issues.**

P.S. I hope my English was good enough; I learned English a few years ago.
P.P.S. Special thanks to Jakob from Sony DACH! 😗💋💋💋


****EDIT SONOMA BETA VERSION 3.0 ****


Here is a small EDIT from me, as it was claimed that the problem no longer exists with Sonoma. I have tested all cables again, including USB-C to HDMI and DP. The difficulties with the USB-C to HDMI and DP cables have even worsened, while HDMI and USB-C to C runs smoothly. One just needs to adjust the settings, then restart the Mac and there is no flickering or ghosting. However, ghosting appears to be much more intense on the USB-C to HDMI and DP cables.

Cable Testing and Results:

  • USB-C to USB-C (thick cable) works perfectly (50cm and 1 Meter)
  • HDMI to HDMI (thick cable) also works perfectly (50cm and 1 Meter)
***Please do not be fooled into thinking that changes have been made. This is not a software-related issue, but it lies in the hardware.***

I spoke with Jakob today, he suggested insulating the contacts with insulating tape to prevent voltage from jumping to the casing. However, one must be extremely careful as the tolerances are very small. I will try this suggestion later this evening.

Do not be led astray. If it was a software error, the screen manufacturers and Apple could find a solution. But since it's a hardware issue, little can be done except to reduce or eliminate the voltage with thick cables.

After I have tried the insulating tape, I will report back. It's a delicate task to isolate the port laterally around the socket and then to isolate the connector.

**** Another important note I would like to make: Whenever you plug in and unplug the cables and make the settings you want, then leave everything as it is and don't change anything. After that, it is important to restart and leave the settings unchanged. As soon as you change anything, a restart must be done! ****​

 
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Just now using BetterDisplay (current version), I was able to turn the flickering on and off(!) per display by turning "GPU dithering" off under image adjustments for my external displays. I will edit this if anything changes but it seemed to be a switch for this issue, turning it on and off at will which was crazy. It even sounds like the sort of thing that would cause this. Please try this and let me know, hoping this helps others! (I also hope Apple really fixed it as LostProgrammer said.)

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Just now using BetterDisplay (current version), I was able to turn the flickering on and off(!) per display by turning "GPU dithering" off under image adjustments for my external displays. I will edit this if anything changes but it seemed to be a switch for this issue, turning it on and off at will which was crazy. It even sounds like the sort of thing that would cause this. Please try this and let me know, hoping this helps others! (I also hope Apple really fixed it as LostProgrammer said.)

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This is the way. Unfortunately my Sonoma 14.5 beta build still has the flickering issue, but just like @skybox, I am also able to toggle the flickering on and off with this GPU dithering option.

After months of toggling TrueTone, tweaking refresh rates and messing with colour profiles with no real success, I can finally rest. Great find @skybox, thank you so much.
 
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Huh so it wasn't just me. I had recently returned my S3221QS thinking that the flickering was due to the faulty monitor but my new Samsung monitor does the exact same thing again.

It's odd because the display works just fine when connected to Windows. I tried different cables, changed the settings around but still the same. Out of ideas now :(
 
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I had the exact same issue with my 2021 MacBook Pro (M1 Pro) & Dell 4K S2722QC.
Had Dell offered a replacement but didn't help.
Eventually tried the turning off "nightshift", "True Tone" and "Automatically adjust brightness" and it worked for me.
 
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I have exactly the same problem with my U2720Q and MBP 14".

Unfortunately the issue arises very randomly and when it is happening, my screen is flickering with all inputs and devices, so not only my MBP 14".

My main connection is through USB-C but I have also tried the HDMI connection.

Not sure if my U2720Q is defect because 95% of the time it is working fine and without flickering.
 
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Hey,

Unfortunately I have the same issue. Flickering occurs on darker colors. Had a 32" 4K Dell Monitor that I've returned because I thought it was Dell's fault for not being synced with Apple. 2 months later I got a 32" 4K Samsung Monitor, and its literally the same thing happening.

Tried with multiple cables, 1 Thunderbolt Hub (it was 80$), color profiles (the only one that works is Adobe 1998, but everything looks so bad) & tried everything else I could find on the internet. But nothing helped.

I'm really losing my patience, because Apple hasn't addressed this issue by now. People keep telling me M1 is not stable, it was too early for you to make the change. While this can be true, everything else works so smooth man ... Like come on Apple ?

I am seriously considering selling my Apple Products that took me a while to get. And while this might seem like a harsh decision, I paid so much for this machine and I expect it to work with any Monitor. It is essential. Stuff like this didn't happen on Windows, and on Linux it did but it was an easy fix. Afraid I might lose my patience and seriously order a new Windows PC.

PS. It worked great on my 4K TV (no flickering), and on 24" FHD Monitor. Someone please tell me that this is fixable ?‍♂️
 
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Hey all,

not sure if it helps but I just did a factory reset of the settings for my Dell p2720 dc. AAAAND the flickering issue was gone with my Macbook Pro 2021 (M1 Pro). In fact I tried to reproduce the issue and I nailed it down to the sharpness setting. 70 is fine, from 80 and higher the flickering started by pressing the button.
BTW I am connected via HDMI as USB-C isn't working at all.
 
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Can confirm, adjusting the refresh rate in Display Settings removes the flickering. I have a LG 27GL850 with IPS screen and 144 Hz capable. Setting it to 144 Hz made the screen flicker constantly. Lowering it to 120 Hz removes all flickering.

To get there, open System Preferences > Displays > click "Display Settings..." button at the bottom
Change "Refresh Rate" drop down to different values to try and adjust your screen.
 
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Hopefully the solution I got from BenQ support can help others:

After I got my M1 Max for a couple of weeks the flickering started on my PD3220U in light mode during day time, and I tried restarting, factory reset etc but the flickering still persisted - even when I reconnected to my Intel MBP the flickering wouldn't go away.

Chatted with BenQ and they said to disconnect the power cable & usbC for 10 minutes, which would do a "power cycle", and it actually fixed the flickering.

Because with M1 Max there is another issue of USB ports randomly stop working, they recommended me to submit a service request form, and the reply said: "We would suggest to make sure that Night Shift mode is disabled on your Mac as this setting has been known to cause flickering on external displays." They also said there are firmware updates that enhance M1 stability, but I'd need to ship the monitor back for them to update it...

So, try disconnecting for 10 minutes, and turn off Night Shift for now before Apple & display manufactures figure out some solutions.
 
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My M1 Mini is via HDMI, my M1 MBA is via USB C to DP - both caused the issues

But the latest update seems to have calmed it off
Here's the strangest thing, mine has calmed down the last few weeks as well. But I haven't done the latest update yet. Nor have I changed my usage in any way. I cannot for the life of me figure out what causes it to go weeks without issue to suddenly having problems multiple times a day. I'd originally thought it was monitor brightness control software, but it still happened even when I'd gotten rid of those.

Also I'd been begrudgingly considering a USB-C to DP cable if the issue was limited to HDMI. I'm almost glad to hear its not just the HDMI port though, as its hard to give them credit for adding that port back if its nerfed for so many people.
 
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I am returning my brand new Mac Studio Ultra because of this exact problem.

On the first day of use, my monitor began to flicker and eventually glitched out dramatically, forming a garbled mosaic, and leaving parts of the image 'burned in' to the screen for several hours.

Eventually, I discovered a way to reproduce the flicker on demand by viewing a specific image. I also experienced signal dropouts, where the monitor would go black for a seconds.

Of particular concern to me is the fact that the flickering, black pinstripes, and image persistence issues remain even with different machines going through different inputs. My Mac Studio has been packed up awaiting collection for several days now, and I still see remnants of this flickering and pinstripes on my Windows PC when viewing certain greyscale patterns.

In decades of computer use and troubleshooting, I've never seen anything like this. Absolutely bizarre.

Thankfully the flickering on my monitor appears to be subsiding over time, but the possibility remains that these M1 machines may be capable of causing permanent damage to connected displays.

Tested on two monitors (Asus PG329Q, HP Omen X27) exact same behaviour on both. Both of these monitors were functioning perfectly before with several different PCs and Intel Macs.

As a side note: These are both 1440p, high refresh rate, adaptive sync capable gaming monitors. I've disabled adaptive sync on both monitors, but I'm wondering if the high refresh rate is part of the equation here. Has anybody experienced this problem on 60hz monitors?

By my estimation, something is seriously wrong and out of spec with the video output on these M1 machines.

I couldn't find any reports of this flickering occurring on the new M2 MacBooks.

Looks to me like Apple is hoping to sweep this problem under the rug by quietly addressing the issue on the M2 platform.
 
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Hi folks! I've got some solutions here- WHOO! This problem drove me crazy, but I figured out a fix (other than the earlier suggestions!) For reference, this was with a BenQ PD2700U monitor.

1. There appears to be a bug in some versions of MacOS (including the most current one) where ICC V4 profiles or above cause external displays to flip out and do the pinstriping/flickering/etc. Using an ICC V2 profile should help in your display settings. (You can also verify ICC versions by using the ColorSync utility).

If you're still having issues...

2. Backup and delete these plist files (MacOS will rebuild the plist file on restart):
/Library/Preferences/com.apple.windowserver.displays.plist
and
/Users/yourname/Library/Preferences/ByHost/com.apple.windowserver.displays.[UDID].plist

3. Force RGB color by following the steps here: https://gist.github.com/GetVladimir/c89a26df1806001543bef4c8d90cc2f8

4. While you're in the plist file making edits, make sure your bitdepth is set to "8". For some reason my defaulted to "7" when MacOS rebuilt the file.

A combination of all of those steps fixed my problem! Apple wasn't any help despite talking to multiple techs and them just blaming my monitor. It seemed pretty clear to me that this is a MacOS issue, which was confirmed by the fixes up above. Hopefully this helps some people out.

Good luck!
 
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