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All iPads MacOS on iPad?
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Ram is easy to take care of and the GPU is on the chip with Apple Chips. The Mac mini they released for devs has the same chip as on the 2020 iPad Pro.
Considering what was announced today at WWDC, it seems that iPadOS and macOS will be gradually morphing into each other...
No, I'm talking about the fact that, despite them sharing the same basic CPU, there's still going to be much that is different between a Mac and and iPad in regards to the overall hardware configuration.
If it were that easy then why did Microsoft struggle for years with Windows mobile?
Could this happen eventually? Sure it could. But in the next 5 years? I highly doubt that.
Microsoft had the advantage with surface of Windows 10 being a unifying OS when they finally managed to merge desktop and slates\tablets.
Apple still have two totally different operating systems to deal with.
The developer kit is just an ipad pro with 16GB RAM in a macmini body... Apple could have ipads running macos today with no isssues.. But why? If you can run macos on ipad this could kill mac sales... so why would Apple shoot themselves in the foot...
I found this thread because my initial thought was the exact same - If the Mac Mini Dev Kit is running on the same chip as the 2020 iPad Pro, surely our iPad Pros can/should be able to run that same MacOS.
However, already upon writing this my thoughts are changing. If all of the software we need is adapted for Universal 2 - why would want to even run MacOS on an iPad given that iPadOS is BUILT for the iPad specifically. In other words, the we don't need MacOS support - we need features from MacOS to be integrated into iPadOS and more importantly, pro apps such as Adobe CC to run natively on iPad Pro. This seems far more plausible in the short-term compared to MacOS coming to iPad.
In a way, this is all semantics - the iPad and Mac are on a collision course where they will be become increasingly alike and integrated as we've never seen before. There are certainly some exciting times ahead for Apple and us as consumers. I just purchased the 2020 iPad Pro and 2020 Macbook Pro 13" - I suspect that when I am due for an upgrade for either one of those, I won't need BOTH anymore.
However, already upon writing this my thoughts are changing. If all of the software we need is adapted for Universal 2 - why would want to even run MacOS on an iPad given that iPadOS is BUILT for the iPad specifically. In other words, the we don't need MacOS support - we need features from MacOS to be integrated into iPadOS and more importantly, pro apps such as Adobe CC to run natively on iPad Pro. This seems far more plausible in the short-term compared to MacOS coming to iPad.
In a way, this is all semantics - the iPad and Mac are on a collision course where they will be become increasingly alike and integrated as we've never seen before. There are certainly some exciting times ahead for Apple and us as consumers. I just purchased the 2020 iPad Pro and 2020 Macbook Pro 13" - I suspect that when I am due for an upgrade for either one of those, I won't need BOTH anymore.
Maybe eventually. macOS 11's new design has some elements designed for touch (control center, notifications).
I'm more curious if they're working towards Mac apps coming to the iPad. Obviously, controls would have to be changed to adapt to touch rather than a mouse. However, it seems like they tried to unify the design language between iPadOS and macOS 11 with the sidebar design. With the same chip architecture and the same design language, you would think the apps for each device would eventually just intersect and become one universal app.
I'm more curious if they're working towards Mac apps coming to the iPad. Obviously, controls would have to be changed to adapt to touch rather than a mouse. However, it seems like they tried to unify the design language between iPadOS and macOS 11 with the sidebar design. With the same chip architecture and the same design language, you would think the apps for each device would eventually just intersect and become one universal app.
With all the excitement there's now multiple threads about this . .
The impression that I was left with from the keynote, and particularly from Tim Cook's closing statements, is that Apple has a vision of a unified base architecture to make it much easier to develop applications that can work on multiple platforms within the ecosystem. This will give developers the ability to create applications that can work freely within the ecosystem to leverage certain strengths of each platform. The hardware differentiation between device platforms will invariably lead to some application feature differences between them, providing added value to those who choose one platform over another. iPad can provide value from it's portability with reasonable sized screen real estate and touch interface, Macs will have larger screens, more storage and RAM and greater hardware support etc.
All of that said - MacOS running on an iPad ? I don't see that happening in the next couple of years, but I could totally see a time where each platform has feature rich applications that make it easier for users to pick one platform over another. If I can get fuller versions of apps running on iPad OS as a result of this unification then I might not care if I am running MacOS on the iPad or not.
The impression that I was left with from the keynote, and particularly from Tim Cook's closing statements, is that Apple has a vision of a unified base architecture to make it much easier to develop applications that can work on multiple platforms within the ecosystem. This will give developers the ability to create applications that can work freely within the ecosystem to leverage certain strengths of each platform. The hardware differentiation between device platforms will invariably lead to some application feature differences between them, providing added value to those who choose one platform over another. iPad can provide value from it's portability with reasonable sized screen real estate and touch interface, Macs will have larger screens, more storage and RAM and greater hardware support etc.
All of that said - MacOS running on an iPad ? I don't see that happening in the next couple of years, but I could totally see a time where each platform has feature rich applications that make it easier for users to pick one platform over another. If I can get fuller versions of apps running on iPad OS as a result of this unification then I might not care if I am running MacOS on the iPad or not.
Wouldn't that be something, the 'one more thing' being anyone with an iPad Pro 2020 (and preferably the fancy Smart Keyboard) already has a 'Apple silicon dev kit' with time expiring Big Sur builds,
That would push iPad Pro sales through the roof from developers, and help Apple with its transition and app compatibility asap. win all around.
I don't see it. iOS/ipadOS universe is intended to isolate/protect the end user from the guts of the OS. Dual-boot options complicate things - loading two OSes, one that allows working from the command line and one that does not, one that allows changing permissions and one that does not... Not for for the mobile products line. No, "I don't know what I did when I turned it on - I have this weird screen that asks me what drive I want to boot." There will be no Disk Utility for iPad. No sudo, no Option-boot. No chance to buy a dual-boot iPad and then delete the ipadOS container, leaving only a touchscreen Mac.
It'll be the other way around. If you want that level of control, you'll spend more for a Mac that can run all your iOS/ipadOS apps, and much, much more.
People are confusing the processor with the OS. Under the hood, iOS and macOS have the same BSD Unix kernel. From iOS Day One the Unix-proficient (and those who only think they are) have been begging to get past the iOS lock-down to get at the Unix command line. Apple's reasons for not allowing this do not change simply because they'll now be compiling macOS for ARM instead of x86. It's not about the silicon, it's about the intended user.
It doesn't preclude the possibility that someday there will be a touchscreen Mac. After all, all those universal apps will be able to handle touchscreen, mouse, and trackpad input. But Apple will not promote that to the mainstream iPad user. They don't want iPad users to trade up to Mac (well, they can if they want) - they want Windows users to embrace the pleasures of iPad. iOS/iPadOS is the gateway drug into Apple addiction, Mac is the hard stuff.
Command line jockeys just don't get it. Most end-users are not command-line jockeys, even the so-called pros. For every video editor who hacks every last bit of performance out of his PC, there are probably a dozen who do nothing more than the editing app allows. They expect their employer to buy the right hardware. It's the bosses time and money, not theirs. If a render means an hour of downtime, either the boss does something to reduce that render time, or the editor goes out for coffee. It was that way back in the days of analog, too. The tech maintenance staff was responsible for making the machines perform up to spec, not the gods of the editing suite. Most editors didn't want to know which end of a screwdriver was which. If a machine tech had the skills and talent to move up to editor, great, but not every technician is a great visual storyteller, and vice versa. It's little different with musicians. Concert pianists are rarely competent at piano tuning and most guitarists can't fine-tune a fingerboard action. For the most part, musical instrument technicians specialize in making instruments perform at their best so that musicians can use them to make great performances.
Simply put, iPad is for endusers Mac is for superusers. It ain't gonna change.
It'll be the other way around. If you want that level of control, you'll spend more for a Mac that can run all your iOS/ipadOS apps, and much, much more.
People are confusing the processor with the OS. Under the hood, iOS and macOS have the same BSD Unix kernel. From iOS Day One the Unix-proficient (and those who only think they are) have been begging to get past the iOS lock-down to get at the Unix command line. Apple's reasons for not allowing this do not change simply because they'll now be compiling macOS for ARM instead of x86. It's not about the silicon, it's about the intended user.
It doesn't preclude the possibility that someday there will be a touchscreen Mac. After all, all those universal apps will be able to handle touchscreen, mouse, and trackpad input. But Apple will not promote that to the mainstream iPad user. They don't want iPad users to trade up to Mac (well, they can if they want) - they want Windows users to embrace the pleasures of iPad. iOS/iPadOS is the gateway drug into Apple addiction, Mac is the hard stuff.
Command line jockeys just don't get it. Most end-users are not command-line jockeys, even the so-called pros. For every video editor who hacks every last bit of performance out of his PC, there are probably a dozen who do nothing more than the editing app allows. They expect their employer to buy the right hardware. It's the bosses time and money, not theirs. If a render means an hour of downtime, either the boss does something to reduce that render time, or the editor goes out for coffee. It was that way back in the days of analog, too. The tech maintenance staff was responsible for making the machines perform up to spec, not the gods of the editing suite. Most editors didn't want to know which end of a screwdriver was which. If a machine tech had the skills and talent to move up to editor, great, but not every technician is a great visual storyteller, and vice versa. It's little different with musicians. Concert pianists are rarely competent at piano tuning and most guitarists can't fine-tune a fingerboard action. For the most part, musical instrument technicians specialize in making instruments perform at their best so that musicians can use them to make great performances.
Simply put, iPad is for endusers Mac is for superusers. It ain't gonna change.
I agree. I have never been able to get into using an iPad, despite buying two of them over the years. I keep seeing blogs where someone has enthusiastically stated that they have dumped their laptop and are using an iPad for everything. That is fine if it works for them, but I don't see it. Once the new has worn off, I am back on my iMac or Air for my use. For programming or writing, I need lots of desktop, and many panes open where I can see all at once. My use of an iPad reminds me of the bad old days of Windoze and the single desktop, where windows are stacked one over another and a considerable amount of time is spent on just clicking here and there to find that darned notepad pane with the list I needed.
Stuck in an airport or hotel waiting for hours, a fondleslab is great for passing the time, but for myself and work, no thanks.
Yeah, I agree with this and have had the same thoughts with regard to iPads. Just because Macs will now be using Apple chips does not mean that all of a sudden, Macs and iPads will converge. For business and usability reasons, they'll probably remain separate product lines. iPad will still continue to be a touch first, lighter operating system that's locked down to some degree, while Macs will be much more open.