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Passante

macrumors 6502a
Apr 16, 2004
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Looks pretty good. Only 3-4 FPS slower than the G4 in Unreal- Like who cares about that. Like to see some iLife benches and HD decoding. The Intel Imac really cranks out HD at 30 fps. My powerbook chokes on it.

All the whining about intel integrated graphics may be for naught.
 

IJ Reilly

macrumors P6
Jul 16, 2002
17,909
1,496
Palookaville
So both the G4 and the Intel mini suck for 3D gaming. Now that's big news. Looks like the Core Duo is the way to go, for native binaries at least. Would have been interesting to have thrown a G5 into the testing mix, since that the processor Apple really abandoned for Intel.
 

MacSA

macrumors 68000
Jun 4, 2003
1,803
5
UK
Passante said:
Looks pretty good. Only 3-4 FPS slower than the G4 in Unreal- Like who cares about that. Like to see some iLife benches and HD decoding. The Intel Imac really cranks out HD at 30 fps. My powerbook chokes on it.

All the whining about intel integrated graphics may be for naught.

But surely you can see the issue that some people have with this? Sure the Mac mini sucked at 3D games..but shouldn't the updated Mini that comes out 14 months after the original "suck" slightly less - not more so ?
 

mark88

macrumors 6502a
Oct 30, 2004
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The more benchmarks I see, the more it shows just what a good deal the Intel Imac is!!
 

miniConvert

macrumors 68040
MacSA said:
But surely you can see the issue that some people have with this? Sure the Mac mini sucked at 3D games..but shouldn't the updated Mini that comes out 14 months after the original "suck" slightly less - not more so ?
Is UT available in UB yet then? I mean, if it were running through Rosetta of course it's going to suck on the Intel - integrated graphics need the CPU and if Rosetta's hogging it then it's going to be screwed. The great thing about the Intel mini (and all the new Intel Mac's) is that performance is actually going to improve over time as the new UB's come out. I think that's something of a first for any computer I've ever bought! ;)
 

Dont Hurt Me

macrumors 603
Dec 21, 2002
6,055
6
Yahooville S.C.
MacSA said:
But surely you can see the issue that some people have with this? Sure the Mac mini sucked at 3D games..but shouldn't the updated Mini that comes out 14 months after the original "suck" slightly less - not more so ?
LOL ha,ha,ha, thats just funny. So true yet so funny. Cpu got a big big boost, GPU is just cheapo lame, Spinmasters continue:D Almost like they dont want a Mini to be "better":eek:
 

MacsRgr8

macrumors G3
Sep 8, 2002
8,316
1,832
The Netherlands
I like to compare the Core Solo with the 1.42 GHz G4.

Apart from the Pro-apps (G4 better at Photoshop, Core Single better at Cinema 4D), these two are acutally quite similar.
That, IMHO is not good. Then throw in the Intel onboard grfx, and you get a worse deal.....
Keep in mind that the latest Mac mini G4 is 1.5 GHz.

The Core Single should have been priced at $ 449,-
 

thies

macrumors regular
Jul 22, 2002
202
0
MacSA said:
But surely you can see the issue that some people have with this? Sure the Mac mini sucked at 3D games..but shouldn't the updated Mini that comes out 14 months after the original "suck" slightly less - not more so ?

You know how it is, if they would have put the latest and gratest GPU in there with the CPU being slightly worse than the G4 these guys would have called you a noob for not being able to see that the mini is a gaming machine and doesn't need a faster CPU. *shrug*
 

MacsRgr8

macrumors G3
Sep 8, 2002
8,316
1,832
The Netherlands
They should have put something like a Mobility X1300 128 MB VRAM into it.

This is a nice card, not expensive and has H.264 hardware support.

Brings me to another point....

Does QuickTime player actually use the H.264 harware decoding capabilities of the X1600's in the iMac and Mac Book Pro?
 

whooleytoo

macrumors 604
Aug 2, 2002
6,607
716
Cork, Ireland.
MacSA said:
But surely you can see the issue that some people have with this? Sure the Mac mini sucked at 3D games..but shouldn't the updated Mini that comes out 14 months after the original "suck" slightly less - not more so ?

Not just that, but the updated, more suckieth Mini costs more too.
 

Dont Hurt Me

macrumors 603
Dec 21, 2002
6,055
6
Yahooville S.C.
whooleytoo said:
Not just that, but the updated, more suckieth Mini costs more too.
Good point, more cash doesnt equal less frames,it should equal more frames. Guess since that cpu can be upgraded they had to kill something. So Apple killed the machines GPU by giving it what is rock bottom in performance:confused: Intel is giving these things away, buy 1 Intel cpu chip and get a free gpu,who cares that a Geforce3 from 5 years ago looks better and is faster then this imposter pretending to be a GPU. Integrated graphics still = garbage. Any Toms hardware graph can show that. Facts are Facts. Apple needs a $20 dollar option for any of the many little gpu chips that would fit in that same spot instead of the "freebie"

Imac is now so much better , there is a huge gap in performance because of its good video vs Mini's terrible one. Add up the costs if you dont have old componets to use and there is little reason to purchase a new Mini System over a new iMac system. I would have rather seen another G4 bump,1.6 mated to a fx5200 class gpu:cool: Oh well history is history. PowerMac? think it will get a soldered on Gpu?;)
 

generik

macrumors 601
Aug 5, 2005
4,116
1
Minitrue
Dont Hurt Me said:
Apple needs a $20 dollar option for any of the many little gpu chips that would fit in that same spot instead of the "freebie"

It would be amazing if that "oh so wonderful" blazingly fast GPU of yours would serve as a memory controller too don't you think? ;)
 
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