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Mail and Gmail on Yosemite?

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sgrcts

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Hey all- Mavericks is, and has been since launch, crushing my soul with the way Mail works(or really, doesn't work), with Gmail. I have spent countless hours reinstalling accounts, my entire OS, on the phone with Apple support, etc.

I am hoping/praying that Yosemite works well with Mail and Gmail, and am thinking about dling it now. Does anyone have any insight on if its finally working?
 
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sgrcts said:
Hey all- Mavericks is, and has been since launch, crushing my soul with the way Mail works(or really, doesn't work), with Gmail. I have spent countless hours reinstalling accounts, my entire OS, on the phone with Apple support, etc.

I am hoping/praying that Yosemite works well with Mail and Gmail, and am thinking about dling it now. Does anyone have any insight on if its finally working?
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What kind of problem are you having? I use Mail with several Gmail accounts on Mavericks on multiple Macs, with no problems whatsoever. I don't think Yosemite is your solution. You need to troubleshoot the issues you're having, as they aren't a result of which version of OS X you're running.
 
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leman

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To be honest, Mavericks was the first OS X that offered proper support for Gmail (such as correct folder mapping) and Yosemite has fixed most of the issues I had on Mavericks.

I can imagine though that if you had configured your Mail to work with Gmail before Mavericks (which would involve custom folder mappings and playing with the IMAP prefix), then upgrade to Mavericks/Yosemite could introduce some issues.
 
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sgrcts

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GGJstudios said:
What kind of problem are you having? I use Mail with several Gmail accounts on Mavericks on multiple Macs, with no problems whatsoever. I don't think Yosemite is your solution. You need to troubleshoot the issues you're having, as they aren't a result of which version of OS X you're running.
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This is patently false. The internet is rife with users having issues with Gmail/Mail/Mavericks. As I said in my initial post, I have spent countless hours troubleshooting.

Mail broke on Mavericks for some users. Simply because you don't have those issues, doesn't mean they don't exist.
 
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sgrcts said:
This is patently false. The internet is rife with users having issues with Gmail/Mail/Mavericks. As I said in my initial post, I have spent countless hours troubleshooting.

Mail broke on Mavericks for some users. Simply because you don't have those issues, doesn't mean they don't exist.
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No, it is not false. If a problem existed with Mail on Mavericks, it would affect all users. It doesn't. Therefore, the problem is unique to your installation and configuration.

You still have failed to identify what particular issues you are experiencing. Saying Mail is "broke" is useless information, without providing specifics. Rather than jumping to the conclusion that upgrading the OS to a different version may be a solution, you have to first understand the problem. I'll ask again: what specific problems are you having with Mail/Gmail?
 
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Spytap

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sgrcts said:
This is patently false. The internet is rife with users having issues with Gmail/Mail/Mavericks. As I said in my initial post, I have spent countless hours troubleshooting.

Mail broke on Mavericks for some users. Simply because you don't have those issues, doesn't mean they don't exist.
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It's more accurate to say that Mail FIXED problems with Gmail - those problems just happened to have been around long enough to have been incorporated into many Mail/Gmail users' routines, expectations, and habits. When fixed so that Mail and Gmail worked properly, many people's routines, expectations and habits were disrupted. Apple then issued an update/fix to let you rebreak Mail back to the manner it worked previously, should you so choose.
 
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I have no problem using Gmail with Yosemite (PB3 or PB4).

I also had no problems using it with Mavericks or any other version of OS X.
 
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sgrcts said:
Hey all- Mavericks is, and has been since launch, crushing my soul with the way Mail works(or really, doesn't work), with Gmail. I have spent countless hours reinstalling accounts, my entire OS, on the phone with Apple support, etc.

I am hoping/praying that Yosemite works well with Mail and Gmail, and am thinking about dling it now. Does anyone have any insight on if its finally working?
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There was a big change in the way Mavericks Mail works with Gmail. Previously, if you enabled the All Mail folder in gmail.com settings in the labels tab, you would end up with exactly double the number of messages you had. One in the regular folder you store the message, and another in the All Mail folder.

That changed with Mavericks. Now you want to make sure you have All Mail turned on in that gmail.com IMAP/label settings screen and Mavericks Mail knows how to handle it without the duplicates like before. This might fix the issues you are having. If All Mail is off Mavericks Mail will not handle folders properly.

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So do this... quit Mail then go to the folder below by clicking the Desktop then Go menu then Go to Folder and paste this in and enter.

Code: 
~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/

Now delete the three envelope folders shown here.

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Now go to gmail.com and make sure you have that All Mail label set to show in IMAP and save the change.

Now launch Mail and wait for it to download all your messages and reindex everything. The message download is fairly quick, but the reindex happens in the background and can take several hours. Just leave it on all night and let it run.

What is happening is Gmail does not really use folders, but they use "labels" to simulate folders. So your Mail client needs to sift through the entire All Mail folder and find all message labeled "My Reciepts" for example and move them to a My Receipts folder in Mail. That takes time to complete.

If you already have All Mail at gmail.com turned on, ignore everything I just said. :)
 
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sgrcts

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Weaselboy said:
There was a big change in the way Mavericks Mail works with Gmail. Previously, if you enabled the All Mail folder in gmail.com settings in the labels tab, you would end up with exactly double the number of messages you had. One in the regular folder you store the message, and another in the All Mail folder.

That changed with Mavericks. Now you want to make sure you have All Mail turned on in that gmail.com IMAP/label settings screen and Mavericks Mail knows how to handle it without the duplicates like before. This might fix the issues you are having. If All Mail is off Mavericks Mail will not handle folders properly.

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So do this... quit Mail then go to the folder below by clicking the Desktop then Go menu then Go to Folder and paste this in and enter.

Code: 
~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/

Now delete the three envelope folders shown here.

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Now go to gmail.com and make sure you have that All Mail label set to show in IMAP and save the change.

Now launch Mail and wait for it to download all your messages and reindex everything. The message download is fairly quick, but the reindex happens in the background and can take several hours. Just leave it on all night and let it run.

What is happening is Gmail does not really use folders, but they use "labels" to simulate folders. So your Mail client needs to sift through the entire All Mail folder and find all message labeled "My Reciepts" for example and move them to a My Receipts folder in Mail. That takes time to complete.

If you already have All Mail at gmail.com turned on, ignore everything I just said. :)
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Thanks. I've tried this before, but am doing it again and seeing if it works on Yosemite. Yosemite didn't fix my problem, which amongst a host of others, the biggest one is Mail never stops syncing my email, taking up 150 gigs of space until there is no space on my computer at all(never mind how it slows down the computer). Beyond frustrating.
 
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illusionx

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150gb? AFAIK, gmail account limit is currently set to 15gb.

and OP STILL have not listed all his problems so we can help.

this thread ends nowhere.
 
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sgrcts

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illusionx said:
150gb? AFAIK, gmail account limit is currently set to 15gb.

and OP STILL have not listed all his problems so we can help.

this thread ends nowhere.
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So basically you are admitting you don't even know that much about gmail, nor the problems Mavericks introduced with its handling of gmails version of imap, and can't accept the fact that I haven't asked for your help? Thanks for your kind contributions to this thread ending nowhere.
 
Weaselboy

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sgrcts said:
Thanks. I've tried this before, but am doing it again and seeing if it works on Yosemite. Yosemite didn't fix my problem, which amongst a host of others, the biggest one is Mail never stops syncing my email, taking up 150 gigs of space until there is no space on my computer at all(never mind how it slows down the computer). Beyond frustrating.
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What might also help you is to limit how much is stored locally by changing this setting at gmail.com

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katewes

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This blog by the developer of the alternate mail app, named "MailMate", indicates the problems of getting Gmail IMAP to play nicely with an email client.

http://blog.freron.com/2013/mavericks-gmail-apple-mail-and-mailmate/

I don't think we can just dismiss it by saying -- oh, my email works great, so you must be having the problems. It depends on the complexity of how you use Gmail, whether multiple labels, how many accounts etc.

For me, I am camping on Mountain Lion. Mail app there works rock solid, for me at least. So I am not fixing something that's broke.

I do have a spare MacBook Pro, so I'll be loading Yosemite on that and testing out Mail app, but waiting at least for 10.10.2 before I jump in. For my main work-based Macs I would not dream of installing Yosemite at least until 10.5.5
 
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