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jasnw

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Nov 15, 2013
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I've just switched to a new Mini running Ventura from an old iMac running El Capitan, and some of the changed behavior in the Mail app are, at the very least, annoying. My standard setup is to view mail in the "old" Column Layout format, with the Inbox list and selected email displayed on the right side, and the mailboxes structure on the left. I have two issues I'd like to fix:

1. I sort the mail by Date and have selected "Oldest Message on Top" in the "View>Sort By" menu , and have unselected "Show most recent message at the top" in the Viewing settings. In the El Cap version, this would result in the newest messages on the bottom of the list, and the list window would be showing the bottom of the list. In Ventura, the message order is correct, but it insists on showing the top of the list where the oldest messages are. Is there any way to change this behavior so the window is showing the newest messages (at the bottom of the list) other than putting the newest at the top, which I don't want to do?

2. In El Cap, when I'd click on the Mail app the focus would be on the last-viewed email in the Inbox window, typically the last email prior to the newest unread emails. In Ventura, the focus is on the Inbox icon in the mailboxes list, so I have to now train myself to shift the focus to the Inbox window before I start stepping down through the list to get to the latest messages, which are now hidden due to the behavior described in #1. Can this be adjusted short of filing a bug report?

Any thoughts, or am I needing to retrain myself because some THOUGHTFUL individual at Apple decided to change behavior that didn't need changing?
 
If Mail behavior from El Capitan (macOS 10.11.6, released July 2016) is correct and Ventura (13.2, released January 2023) is bugged you've got a lot of engineers, working over a six year period, to pick from for the blame.

I was thinking, "Wow…this is the second person that's posted on this. I didn't realize so many people liked viewing their email the old way…and upside down on top of that!" But then I figured out the other post was yours from a few weeks back!
 
Yeah, us Old Guys (tm) tend to repeat ourselves a lot. Some times in the hope that we get a good answer. I'm starting to think the only answer (not necessarily a "good" one) is to file a couple of bug reports.
 
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