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So what does that mean exactly? A "wellness feature"? Is that another way of saying "gimmick"? Apple might have ripped off Massimo's tech but still implemented it in a sub-standard way. Bottom line remains, Apple's products aren't FDA approved and, as you pointed out, are marketed as "wellness" devices, which is really quite meaningless. Massimo's products are FDA approved and have been used by the medical industry for decades. So, no, this guy is not wrong.
"Apple is masquerading what they are offering to consumers as a reliable, medical pulse oximeter, even though it is not,"
how is this not a wrong statement? AW is not and has never been marketed as a "medical pulse oximeter" yet he claims so
 
A lot of people posting in this thread are revealing that they cannot hold two related but ultimately exclusive ideas in their heads. Apple could build a sensor that both violates Masimo’s patent and collects health metrics in an inferior way to the product they ripped off.
Of course they can, but the way the CEO made his statements makes him look like an idiot and should be made fun of ...
 
Of course they were.
Anecdata, but my readings this week range from 75% to 98%. For some people, the device is accurate, for others it’s terrible. I have mild asthma, so I have a real pulse oximeter, and I never get readings as low as with the Apple Watch.

Several people commenting here don’t understand what the person from Massimo said. He didn’t say his technology was bad, he said that Apple’s implantation of the technology they patented was substandard. Massimo is a company that creates devices for healthcare, that are probably as accurate as possible. Apple adding this feature did not look for accuracy, did not even advertise it as particularly accurate.
 
"Apple is masquerading what they are offering to consumers as a reliable, medical pulse oximeter, even though it is not,"
how is this not a wrong statement? AW is not and has never been marketed as a "medical pulse oximeter" yet he claims so
So how are they marketing it? As an unreliable wellness feature? Give me a break. Whatever verbiage Apple chooses to use to avoid regulatory scrutiny, they are clearly marketing these as health features.
 
Anecdata, but my readings this week range from 75% to 98%. For some people, the device is accurate, for others it’s terrible. I have mild asthma, so I have a real pulse oximeter, and I never get readings as low as with the Apple Watch.

Several people commenting here don’t understand what the person from Massimo said. He didn’t say his technology was bad, he said that Apple’s implantation of the technology they patented was substandard. Massimo is a company that creates devices for healthcare, that are probably as accurate as possible. Apple adding this feature did not look for accuracy, did not even advertise it as particularly accurate.

Respect disagree. Mine is always within 1 of my Pro Pulse Oximeter. If someone is prone to perspiration the results can be significantly swayed.
 
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Kiani maligned the Apple Watch blood oxygen sensor, even though it is allegedly using Masimo-patented technology. "Apple is masquerading what they are offering to consumers as a reliable, medical pulse oximeter, even though it is not," said Kiani. I really feel wholeheartedly that consumers are better off without it.

What a total 🔔🔚
 
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“They stole our tech!”
“[Our stolen tech] is not reliable!”

I think the implication being that they stole tech but their implementation is less reliable. And that's not even his opinion, the difference in FDA certification should make that kinda clear.

If someone stole Tesla's tech and the result was the Ioniq5, which comes with a $60,000 repair bill if you drive over rocks wrong, both claims would still be fair.
 
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How dare anyone question the behavior of an angelic being like Tim Cook! Tim Cook can do no wrong! Apple never steals intellectual property because Tim Cook is highly moral.
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Talk about trying to have it both ways!

Wait I thought they stoled your tech. So this whole thing is a marking campaign to sell your watches.

This guy is such a massive prick, and it's been clear from day one he saw dollar signs when Apple first reached out, then has been butthurt ever since when Apple decided they didn't need Masimo's tech to make their own sensor.

The sooner they lose their cases and he's driven out of the company, the better.

Both ceos are ****ed up at the end customers gonna pay For it sad

Theyll be out of business in < 2 years.

Odd thing to say when you're accusing them of using YOUR tech...but ok.

So which is it, Masimo? Because by starting this fight by saying it's YOUR technology and then also calling it unreliable, you're basically saying YOUR tech (which they stole, as you claim) is unreliable. Or if that's not what you're saying, that means it's NOT your tech, because if it was...it would be reliable.

Things that make you go "hmmm" 🤔. That statement might come back to bite you.

“They stole our tech!”
“[Our stolen tech] is not reliable!”

sir, are you implying that your own tech is not reliable? :D
Since ALL of you only read the headline and not the actual article, the below piece drives home why Apple’s implementation of their patented tech is not useful.

Apple's blood oxygen sensor does not have FDA clearance, but Masimo's W1 watch does. Masimo's device offers continuous real-time oxygen saturation and pulse rate monitoring, and it can be used as a medical device in hospitals, clinics, and at home. Kiani says that pulse oximetry "is not useful unless it is a continuous monitor."

Next time, try reading beyond the headlines before grabbing your pitchforks.
 
Respect disagree. Mine is always within 1 of my Pro Pulse Oximeter.
And his isn't. What's your point? That the Watch is an unreliable device? That seems pretty obvious. Anyone with a medical condition who trusts a smart watch that hasn't been FDA approved is a fool. Smart watch health features are gimmicks.
 
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So how are they marketing it? As an unreliable wellness feature? Give me a break. Whatever verbiage Apple chooses to use to avoid regulatory scrutiny, they are clearly marketing these as health features.
what difference between a wellness device and a medical device do you not understand?
Ever been in a pharmacy and seen what is sold over the counter?
 
Apple's implementation of the blood oxygen sensor is really bad and not even a toy. I'm not a medical professional, but I compared it with an affordable finger sensor one can buy at the pharmacy for around 30 Euros. The AW measurements were all over the place. I'm surprised it even passed Apple's alleged "quality standards".
 
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So then what's the point of these health features if they aren't reliable?
so you take that guys' statement for the truth? even in this thread there are multiple posts where people say the AW is spot on with the fingertip device, it works for some, it doesn't work for others ...
 
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And his isn't. What's your point? That the Watch is an unreliable device? That seems pretty obvious. Anyone with a medical condition who trusts a smart watch that hasn't been FDA approved is a fool. Smart watch health features are gimmicks.
whatever, you're entitled to your opinion.
 
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