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Masimo CEO: Apple Watch Blood Oxygen Sensor is Not Reliable, Customers Are 'Better Off Without It'
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I had flu with temperatures above 100 degrees for about six or seven times within two weeks and mr. Apple Watch Ultra pro super max s, never alerted me or said anything about it.
The real question is if you are not doing a sleep study or not in a hospital do you really need continuous readings all the time.
Um, pretty sure that's EXACTLY what he said:
"If it is not reliable and they are stealing Masimo IP apparently, by causality is it not the case that Masimo technology is also not reliable?"
In other words...if Apple's tech was stolen from Massimo and is not reliable, then isn't Massimo's tech also not reliable?
Which is a total logic fail. You can steal someone else's idea, even their blueprints, but still not implement the technology correctly.
My readings in the past week have been between 75% and 98%. That doesn’t indicate a problem that needs medical attention; that shows serious inaccuracy. I know this is not the case for everyone, some people find it very accurate, but I’ve heard enough people talk about what numbers that they’ve seen to know that it’s not trustworthy. And I don’t have any tattoos on my wrist. (That can cause problems with the heart rate monitor.)
Because that isn't a feature ...
It means that Apple did not study, test, or apply for FDA approval. Being a "wellness" feature is a specific exemption from requiring FDA approval on the device.
I'm mean the CEO, a lot people are adding conjecture to that the CEO said.
my understanding is that the Masimo W1 is available via prescription only, so your insurance company pays a (hefty) price, or portion thereof
Understood. The way I see it, Massimo's CEO is saying that Apple stole their tech but didn't implement it well, which makes the Apple product unreliable. The only way we'll ever know if this is true is if someone conducts a controlled study comparing the two devices.
But he didn't say that, he said you are better off without it because it doesn't do continuous readings. The question remains why do you need continuous readings if you're not doing a sleep study or not in the hospital.
A "health feature" is not the same a medical device. Having a sensor and feature that allows one to spot check their SpO2 levels for general info ro trending is not that same a medical grade pusle ox running continuous reads with tighter controls.
Apple claimed the former and never claimed the latter.
Massimo’s devices are approved by the FDA for medical use. They have therefore been tested more than enough.
I’m just guessing, but there are probably some people with lung disease that might need continuous monitoring. People who use oxygen at home might need continuous monitoring to make sure that they’re getting enough oxygen.
Right, and such devices don't need to demonstrate accuracy or effectiveness. So long as they aren't causing harm, they can be utterly wrong, which I think is a slippery slope when it comes to "wellness" devices. The expectation is that such devices are accurate, but the manufacturers wash their hands of such obligations by calling them "wellness" devices.
I'm not questioning the accuracy of their devices. I'm questioning whether the Apple Watch measures up. And we'd need a head-to-head comparison study to determine that.
And those people would already have medical device to do those readings.
Are you asking why I often wear a continuous monitor (a ring)? because sometimes I get light headed while driving at 70 mph and I am trying to correlate with O2 levels (it doesn't, so I am still searching). And I wear it out of curiosity because while a lot of people think 100% is normal, I am routinely at 95 or below. Have to explain that every time I get a check up. (actually blood oxygenation is my field of work). But I also wear it to guilt myself in to wearing a darn cpap mask at night (I hate it, but the darn measurements dont lie, I routinely drop during the night to below 70 without it which isnt good long term). BTW, measure your O2 content on a plane. It might concern you (hint a lot of people drop below 90 at high altitude). And finally, my dad wore one because he had a chronic lung disease that he eventually succumbed to (at home, with an O2 tank).
BUT, if you are asking do most people need continuous monitoring as the Massimo guy claims? Nope. And if you are asking does the non-continuous readings of an Apple Watch still have value? I would say it does, some information is better than no information. Trends are good enough for athletic endeavors for example to help us set goals for improvement.
They do. But my dad still enjoyed his AW. He wasn't comfortable wearing a pulse ox while eating in a restaurant.
Apple are not trying to offer a meeical device nor would they be interested in carrying the burden and brand risk of being medically certified it. How Apple have implemented it is perfect for the wellness purposes it’s intended. It’s not trying to br a medical device.
Agreed, but I don't think the average buyer looks at it that way. They aren't thinking "gee, I'm only interested in this feature for general info trending, even if everything, including my baseline reading, is totally inaccurate." No, they expect accuracy regardless of whatever disclaimers are buried in the fine print. Which is personally why I think these devices are stupid. They aren't accurate and they just cause more anxiety and mental illness by making people obsessed with metrics. You don't need a watch to make you healthy. You need to eat right, push away from the table, get consistent regular sleep, and exercise. It's not that hard.