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Masimo CEO: Apple Watch Blood Oxygen Sensor is Not Reliable, Customers Are 'Better Off Without It'
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Your second points are exactly the points I am trying to get too. I understand there are people with medical conditions that may need continuous reading and the AW isn't that or marketed as such.
My point was fairly simple. My AW consistently reads within 1 point of my Pro Pulse Oximeter. I disagree with the remainder of your opinion. I’d be wary how much faith you put in “FDA Approved.” 😉
The current temperature sensors are not set for that kind of reading. It gives you a reading off your baseline each morning. It will show you have fever by show you are +X over your baseline, but it isn't going to alert you. Last time I had a fever it was showing something like +10 over baseline each morning.
And that's fine. Your readings appear accurate. And plenty of other people have shown inaccurate readings. So what's your point? They're all wrong because your readings are correct?
And people can think based on what the apple watch is that Apple are not trying to offer the same type of product for the same market as Massimo.
I beg to differ. The guy stated Apple positions the AW as a medical device. They take great pains to be clear it is not. He is wrong. And a wellness feature has tons of applicability to those interested in trends as it relates to athletic endeavors. Granted one requires multiple measurements for that, but it's not a gimmick. It's useful. Bottom line FDA approval or not doesn't make something useful, it warrants something is safe without comment on something which has not sought approval. To be clear, I am not arguing Massimo's devices are not better, they probably are. I am arguing that doesn't make the AW implementation a gimmick.
Looks like Masimo stole apps tech - their "watch" looks just like an apple watch especially the underside. Does their tell time? I will stick with my Apple Watch 6
To make it more confusing:
Apple Watch EKG has FDA 501(k) clearance. Its SpO2 is a wellness feature (exception to FDA clearance or approval)
Masimo W1 has FDA 501(k) clearance for all features in the watch (I believe). Masimo's CEO calling their watch FDA approved does not help the issue and actually implies his device is even better than it is.
All of us armchair lawyers and doctors are arguing over approved vs cleared vs wellness vs gimmick. And I bet none of have it right.
Apple Watch EKG and heart rhythm features are Class II while its SpO2 is Class I. The Masimo M1 is class II.
Could Apple's SpO2 feature get Class II clearance? Probably. If they were inclined to go through the process to secure the clearance.
As many of the reports have indicated, on occasion you do.
Why does all this seem like a simple means to generate low-cost marketing for the Apple Watch, creating artificial scarcity at that for the holidays?
Realistically, nobody is going to be buying these things off the shelf just for the blood oxygen feature anyway. I bought my girlfriend one this year only because she switched to an iPhone, that's about it. (and my Series 3 is still going strong)
Realistically, nobody is going to be buying these things off the shelf just for the blood oxygen feature anyway. I bought my girlfriend one this year only because she switched to an iPhone, that's about it. (and my Series 3 is still going strong)
Masimo's own website for the W1 says that it oxygen sensor is "Not intended for use as a medical device." So which is it? Is the article wrong or is Masimo lying or is their website wrong?
One last time. My point only was a reference to my experience with a brief comment in the initial post to the effects of perspiration. I don’t pass judgement on others abilities to form a cognitive opinion.
It's entirely possible that Apple has violated Masimo's patent, although I don't personally have the skills to form an opinion on whether they did. And it's also entirely possible to have two devices based on the same technologies where one works well and the other doesn't.
But if your goal is to get a company to pay you a substantial amount of money to license a patent from you for a product that already exists, "Meh, that thing sucks so even if they did license our patent it would still be useless" is not a great argument to be making publicly.
At absolute best it sounds like petty sour grapes; at worst--whether true or not--it sounds like you're saying your own technology is garbage.
But if your goal is to get a company to pay you a substantial amount of money to license a patent from you for a product that already exists, "Meh, that thing sucks so even if they did license our patent it would still be useless" is not a great argument to be making publicly.
At absolute best it sounds like petty sour grapes; at worst--whether true or not--it sounds like you're saying your own technology is garbage.
I would guess it may not be approved for use in a “Medical Facility?” FDA approval can be a device for home use.
Doesn't appear to be. I just looked at their web site and it was perfectly happy to take my money.
Check the Health app on your iPhone. I actually saw that it measured 88% and 100% on the same day.
Literally 90% of hospital uses Massimo's sensors.sir, are you implying that your own tech is not reliable?
They better be.
Sigh so many blind people thinks Massimo is a patent troll. Do more research before speaking. They're the company saving millions of lives every day
They are not patent troll, but in this case they seems to be acting like one.
Should they not protect their intellectual property? The tech they built since 1990s?
That's their bread and butter product. And its been saving millions of lives in hospitals (like 90% of them around the world)