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neiltc13

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On Wednesday, Microsoft offered the first glimpse of Windows 8, a sneak peek reveals much about both the influences and strategic goals of the major overhaul of Microsoft’s 25-year-old operating system.

The fundamental goal with the new operating system, which is being shown for the first time at D9, is to create something that is equally well at home on an 8-inch tablet as it is on a powerful desktop attached to a huge monitor.
“It’s ‘no compromise’ and that’s really important to us,” Windows President Steven Sinofsky said in an interview with AllThingsD.

At the heart of the new interface is a new start screen that draws heavily on the tile-based interface that Microsoft has used with Windows Phone 7. All of a user’s programs can be viewed as tiles and clicked on with a touch of a finger.

Windows 8 essentially supports two kinds of applications. One is the classic Windows application, which runs in a desktop very similar to the Windows 7 desktop.

The other type of application, which has to be written in HTML5 and Javascript, looks more like a mobile application, filling the full screen. Internet Explorer 10, which is part of Windows 8, has already been configured to run in this mode, as have several widget-like apps for checking stock prices and weather.

Although Microsoft didn’t offer any details, the start screen that it is showing on Wednesday includes a prominent link to a store, ostensibly confirming that Microsoft plans to get in the business of directly distributing Windows programs, much as Apple has on both the iPhone and Mac.

Sinofsky noted that there were a few things that the iPad showed were missing from Windows–most notably a touch-first interface and an app distribution mechanism and new business model for developers. Windows 8, as the product is currently code-named, is designed to address all three of those issues, while preserving compatibility with decades of existing Windows programs.

Although Windows 8 is clearly influenced by the iPad and other mobile devices, the plan for the new operating system has been in the works since Windows 7 shipped in July 2009–several months before the iPad was first shown.

“We really did take a step back after Windows 7,” Sinofsky said. “We were clearly influenced ourselves by phones.”

Microsoft has also done work with the classic Windows desktop to make it more touch friendly, including using a new kind of “fuzzy hit targeting” to adjust for the fact that fingers are far less precise than a mouse. The goal, says chief designer Julie Larson-Green, is that classic apps, though designed for a keyboard and mouse, work well with touch. Apps taking advantage of the new programming layer, she said, are designed for touch first, but also work well with a keyboard and mouse.

Windows is growing more flexible in other ways. Microsoft said back in January that the next version of Windows would support ARM-based chips from Nvidia, Texas Instruments and Qualcomm, in addition to the traditional Windows processors from Intel and AMD. Though Sinofsky and Green used Intel-based machines for Wednesday’s demo at D, Microsoft plans to demonstrate some of the ARM-based designs later today at the Computex trade show in Taiwan.

On a technical note, Sinofsky stressed that after decades of ever-increasing system requirements that characterized Windows releases through Vista, Microsoft is once again building an operating system that demands fewer resources than its predecessor–a trend started with Windows 7, which worked on all Vista-compatible systems.

A key question is how well this new Windows will stack up against a new generation of “post-PC” devices running Android, Apple’s iOS and other operating systems.

There are other unanswered questions as well, including just when Windows 8 will be ready. Sinofsky declined to say, but said Microsoft will have a lot more to say about Windows 8 at a developer conference in mid-September in Anaheim, Calif.

http://allthingsd.com/20110601/exclusive-making-sense-of-what-we-just-learned-about-windows-8/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/microsoft-unveils-windows-8-tablet-prototypes/

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Looks awesome. I love the UI for a tablet, but not sure how well it will translate to a desktop.
 

roadbloc

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Looking forward to it. Hopefully Microsoft should bring some cool innovations. I'd love to see an expansion on Aero Peek somehow.

inb4 ltd's microsoft-suck-computers-are-a-thing-of-the-past-fire-steve-ballmer-apple-ftw-etc
 

dscuber9000

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Y'know, Apple didn't put Mac OS on iPads for a reason. A computer OS doesn't feel right on a tablet because there is an entirely different interaction with the device. It'll be interesting to see if there is any awkwardness for tablet-users of this "Windows 8" and especially if there will be any awkwardness for PC-users, who I'm sure are going to freak out over this.
 

maflynn

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Y'know, Apple didn't put Mac OS on iPads for a reason. A computer OS doesn't feel right on a tablet because there is an entirely different interaction with the device.

Technically iOS is derived from OSX so its not a completely different OS. Plus it appears that the win8 tablet OS has a completely different UI then what the desktop has. So I'd say that MS learned from its mistakes and seeing how apple succeeded.
 

KnightWRX

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Y'know, Apple didn't put Mac OS on iPads for a reason. A computer OS doesn't feel right on a tablet because there is an entirely different interaction with the device.

What makes you think the UI is dependant on the underlying OS ? All modern operating system's UI layer is a userspace process. The underlying kernel doesn't matter and if you want, the same OS can share many different UIs.

That's exactly what Apple did with OS X and iOS. The kernel and some of the non-UI userspace is the same between both and they simply made a UI layer for iOS that is different than OS X's.
 

KingCrimson

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I love the fact that you can switch between tile/Aero themes. You can use it as s a tablet, then switch over to MS Office with the traditional interface. It will of course be able to run on ARM processor. I can see Windows 8 tablets/netbooks by spring 2012.
 

63dot

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As long as it's fluid, it should work on tablets with touchscreens and traditional keyboard and mouse computers. It doesn't appear to have a steep learning curve.

It's the biggest jump I have ever seen and it shows some incentive for innovation so I give MS a lot of points for that. I just hope it doesn't get bogged down by all the GUI. I look forward to seeing this OS.
 

ChazUK

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EDIT: I really should check the main page first! It has been noted there. :D

Looks very fluid!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I

One thing I noticed was the picture below. Could that be the reason why Microsoft is complaining about "App Store"? A potential re-brand of Windows Marketplace?
 

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roadbloc

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Wow. I love what they've done there. Microsoft have impressed me for the first time in a long time.
 

KingCrimson

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You have to know that Microsoft is going to produce a lightweight version for ARM processors. There is no way you can put the full Windows 8 OS on that.
 

Menge

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You have to know that Microsoft is going to produce a lightweight version for ARM processors. There is no way you can put the full Windows 8 OS on that.
Have you seen videos from the presentation? They show Office running the full Windows 8 experience on ARM processors. It's pretty nice!
 

Rodimus Prime

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Seems fishy that full Office could run on ARM, what about crashes? :confused:

you know that office is not exactly a processor intensive for the most part. Unless you are doing some major number crunching in excel it really does not suck down that much power to run it. Given that information it should not be really that surprising.
 

KingCrimson

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you know that office is not exactly a processor intensive for the most part. Unless you are doing some major number crunching in excel it really does not suck down that much power to run it. Given that information it should not be really that surprising.

Yeah try to run Visual Studio on ARM. ;)
 

Cha Cha Desmond

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Looks cool, but there's a video of the showing at Computex and the parts where Mike A. was trying to use a trackpad to access the 'touch UI' were painful to watch. They should turn off the layer for laptops in all fairness. Rather no implementation than a shoddy one.

Other than that, this is conceptually what a real tablet should be like. Great touch UI, large software ecosystem and NO reliance on another computer (or music software which starts with an 'i') for syncing and more advanced functions. So Microsoft has a ton of ingredients into this OS, but it looks like they're serving dinner and dessert on the same plate. Mid 2012 should be long enough to test and make sure it actually works as well as they think it will. Especially if they run another Beta program.
 

KnightWRX

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Yeah try to run Visual Studio on ARM. ;)

What about that glorified text editor wouldn't run on ARM ? I was running Visual Studio, Microsoft Office and other such apps you keep mentionning back when my computer was a Pentium 100 with about 32 MB of RAM...

Really, what point are you trying to make ?
 

KingCrimson

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It's looking like the best tablet UI (less confusing than Android, far better and more innovative than iOS), but I'm not convinced about laptop or desktop use.

Can't say I like the color scheme or the flat tiles. Hopefully MSFT addresses that before RTM.
 

maflynn

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I was running Visual Studio, Microsoft Office and other such apps you keep mentionning back when my computer was a Pentium 100 with about 32 MB of RAM...
I was running MASM (Microsoft assembler) and using edlin on an 8086 PC. Times and programs have changed. I suspect the visual studio you ran on a pentium is quite different then the current version (more bloat) as well as office.
 
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