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choreo

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I am trying to prepare for the transition from my 2012 5,1 running High Sierra to a 7,1 running Catalina.

I have tons of apps including Adobe Creative Suite, Quickbooks, etc. Some probably will not run at all under Catalina. I cannot connect a Thunderbolt drive to the 5,1, so I am wondering if using a clone of my boot drive to an External Samsung SSD (USB) might be the way to go?

Would I use Migration Assistant? Is that even possible on a new 7,1 coming from High Sierra? To make things more complicated lots of my apps have to be Deauthorized on the old 5,1 before they can be Reauthorized in a new device.

Any strategy?
 

fhturner

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Can you have both machines running concurrently? If so, you can connect via an Ethernet cable. Then run Migration Assistant and use that to transfer your “world” from the old machine to the new.
 
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Schismz

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I moved my personal environment from a 5,1 to iMac Pro with the intent of dumping the iMac Pro the moment Mac Pro was released, which I did.

The bad news: if you use migration assistant or any automated method, you are going to bring along a huge amount of unknown cruft from years of time which may cause issues with your new 7,1. I moved to iMac Pro by hand, utilizing method suggested above -- ethernet cable -- reinstalled everything, and moved things like Mail by hand. Also note that drag n' drop is going to miss all your .ssh, .variousEnvironment folders, files, etc. It's been a long time since any Apple hardware needed a crossover cable, any ethernet cable will work. I just used terminal and *nix to copy what I wanted.

Final move was updating iMac Pro to Catalina prior to transfer to Mac Pro, so it would "upgrade" lib formats for things like iTunes which went away, etc. I just used migration assistant for final move, but was moving a clean install from a current OS on iMac Pro, to the same version of the OS on Mac Pro.

Option 1: you have to do it by hand, reinstall all your apps, and just accept the fact that it may take several days of your "spare time" to finish the process.

Option 2: roll the dice, do it automatically via migration assistant and then... see how bad the damage is and how big is the mess you have to clean up. If you go with this option, I would at the very least look in ~/Library/Application Support/ and delete any obvious files from what are possibly hundreds of apps you've installed and then deleted over the years (in my case). None of your 32-bit apps will work. Blah, blah, etc.

It's annoying and time consuming, but, c'est la'vie, my run with Cheesegrater 5,1 lasted for 8+ years. I could've held out another 2 years for Mac Pro, but at the time I switched MP was still just an empty promise, iMac Pro existed, and I lacked the time to essentially maintain a vintage computer as a hobby; I needed something that Just Worked, so I could, well, work (as opposed to spend a lot of time maintaining/upgrading original Cheesegrater).
 
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flowrider

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The best way, IMHO, is to move drives from your old cMP to your new NcMP. I have two PCIe Cards, a HighPoint 7103 and a Syba I/O Crest, with six Samsung M.2 SSDs. I will soon be adding a Sonnet J3i and will be mounting another two 2½" SSDs. These are in addition to the Apple SSD controlled by the T2 that I don't use. Two of the drives are boot drives (one is a clone). After the removal and reinstall I updated the moved boot drive to Catalina, and of course all my applications are still there.

Lou
 
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astrorider

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I usually clone from my old Mac to the new Mac. It's the easiest way to make sure everything transfers from the previous Mac. As far as incompatible software/cruft coming over, I figure OS updates at least remove some incompatible software during the update and I haven't had any issues over many computer upgrades over the years, even between laptops and desktops and vice versa. However, this only works if the old Mac is running a compatible OS with the new Mac (the old Mac would need to be running Catalina for 2019 Mac Pro).

For upgrading from a machine running High Sierra, I would still clone your old drive to an external, but on the new Mac use Migration Assistant to transfer from that clone to the new Mac (there's an option to migrate from a hard drive). Migration Assistant has definitely gotten better over the years and saves a lot of time over setting up a machine from scratch. I don't doubt there are cases of things not transferring correctly, which is why I would keep that clone on hand for the foreseeable future in case you find something missing later on your new Mac Pro, since your clone will have everything.

I did something recently for my wife when she updated to a new 13" Macbook Pro from a pre-Catalina Mac, and Migration Assistant seems to have worked perfectly and got her up and running in no time.
 
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choreo

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Does Migration Assistant allow me to pick an choose which apps to migrate or is it "All or None"?
 

codehead1

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Does Migration Assistant allow me to pick an choose which apps to migrate or is it "All or None"?
It's not very granular. Scroll down: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204350

I didn't use Migration Assistant. Look at that list, and you'll notice that if you want to be particular, it's not much different than doing it yourself. Any issues you might have with migrating mail, photos, etc., you'll probably have whether you use MA or manually.

I copied my whole user Documents folder over the network (I was a cable short of being able to use target disk mode—I didn't have a FW800 to FW800 cable—so just did a network transfer over Ethernet). I added any applications needed—obviously, this is super easy for anything you have from the App Store, then download the other important ones. If you want to take the opportunity to Clea up Documents, I suggest copying the old Documents folder as "old Documents", into the new Documents folder. Then go in a pull the most useful folder up one level as you go through, trash anything needless, and leave marginal stuff in place to decide on later.

By far the most work was installing audio plug-ins, because I have a lot. I could have copied them over, but chose fresh installs—not important, but I figured it would also help me keep track of related issues one-by-one, such as my user presets and sample libraries required by some. Some plugins will take some work because they require license files. For iLok plug-ins, it's just moving the key over, unless they were previously installed on the computer instead of iLok, but other use their own software license checks. So, migration Assistant doesn't save you anything there, this was going to be time-consuming either way.

Transferring mail is a big deal, and MA won't save you from that if there are problems. This was the biggest headache, the mail needs to be exported as mbox files, it wouldn't upgrade the old 5,1 archives. It would be easy except for glitches—some of the mbox files import fine, others get truncated, the size doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. I had to divide and conquer—if a mail folder wouldn't transfer all files, I'd split it into two (with smart mailboxes, split by date range—that way no actual copying). If a mailbox segment doesn't transfer completely, split that one in half again, etc., until all pieces import with the right number of messages. Once I figured out this workaround, it was pretty easy if not a little tedious, but I think it was only two folders that had issues.

Transfer your other user folders—your photos, music, movies, etc., and you might have things inUsers/Shared as well that you want to keep. For me, there were also a few things under /Library and ~/Library (typically under Application Support), presets for audio plugins in particular.

I don't see that MA would have saved me from this, and would have brought over junk I could leave behind. Also, I'm not sure I would have caught things like partial mailboxes getting migrated, if I weren't doing it manually, a task at a time, and paying attention to the results. Also, realize that if you're using iCloud, that's were a lot of things particular to you are stored, so a lot of the tedious details sync over automatically, making MA less important. Bookmarks, passwords via keychain, user info...this stuff shows up without you doing anything. At one time, I suppose, MA was a bigger deal.
 
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OkiRun

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I used migration assistant from an iMac 2015 time machine backup via. external hard drive to the 7.1
Two issues ~ Mail and Adobe CC did not transfer well.
Did clean installs of both and have not had problems since.
 
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deckard666

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Bump - I have exactly the same issue as the OP but I am moving to an M1 MacBook Pro and as long as my transmission torrent files are kept I’m not (too) bothered about everything else as everything in my 4 x 4tb drives in the Mac pro is backed up with CCC….I have a 2tb crucial ssd with which I could clone my 1TB boot drive / user library although I note I only have a 500gb SSD drive in the MBPro.

One other thing its currently running Big Sur - should I upgrade it to the latest OS before I attempt the clone ?
 

haralds

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I have used Migration Assistant with great success. It does do a great job transferring apps retaining activation etc. It does winnow caches and temporary files. To me, it did not look like it was moving (much?) cruft.
You might have trouble with Adobe apps unless they have been updated. I have a suite on High Sierra that is 32-bit. It will run on Mojave, but not Catalina or later.

BTW, I have had a few instances of systems that were getting slow. Installing on another volume, using Migration Assistant, and then deleting the original volume solved the issue. You need lots of free space to make this work.
 
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