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My dad has a Mac mini m4 I got him for Christmas(I know I'm a amazing son) and he is looking for a monitor that’s 32,inch or a ultra wide monitor and here’s the features he wants

• Text clarity is important to him.
• He wants a monitor with built-in speakers(He is coming from a 2017 iMac 21.5)
• he needs a lot of ports like hdmi and usb-c and headphone jack
• he likes to look at stocks
• he was looking at BenQ MA320U 32” 4K

I know with macOS and monitors macOS can look goofy ie(blurry text)and more that I read online
 
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First things first, I would make sure he goes for a monitor that is made for Mac, just so that it functions correctly - i.e the volume and brightness keys work by default, etc. As far as I know, that means going for Apple, LG or BenQ (there may be more these days?)

Also, be aware - 4K at 32" won't be retina-like clarity. If he does go for this, be sure to try it out first (or get one with a good return policy).

If he does want retina-like clarity, this would be something like:
  • 24 inch, 4K Monitor (Close enough to iMac's 24 inch, 4.5K screen)
  • 27 inch, 5K Monitor (Same as Apple Studio Display)
  • 32 inch, 6K Monitor
I also had a 2017 iMac 21.5" and recently upgraded to a M4 mac mini Pro. I managed to pickup a mint used 24" LG Ultrafine 4K for £150. It's an incredibly nice monitor and arguably the best bang for the buck for any retina-like display (if you can find one). If he's used to a 21.5" monitor, 24" might be ok, although sounds like he intends to go for something bigger.
 
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Under $600 will have to be 4K. Don't let the spin about 5K overwhelm you. Mac looks quite nice on 4K screens at that size... just a little better on 5K screens at smaller than target size. Many of us will work hard to convince each other to buy 5K and only 5K... and once someone takes that bait, then ONLY Apple 5K is good 5K.

If you want to test this, hook his new Mac to a 4K TV to get a peek at how macOS will look on a 4K panel. You'll find it looks pretty good. Now imagine how much better it will look when that same number of pixels are compressed down to a 32" space vs. whatever size 4K TV you/he may already own now. OR, take the Mac to a monitor retailer and connect it to some 4K monitors to see first hand what macOS will look like with your own eyes.

I'm with #2 if $600 is the hard budget. I purchased a Dell monitor when I embraced silicon a few years ago and am delighted with it. The built-in hub is loaded with both "the future" and "the present" ports- no dongles or additional hubs required to just hook existing stuff to it. The one I chose is a 5K2K 40" ultra-wide way over your budget (about the same as ASD with stand option) but I could never come back from all that ultra-wide screen space now that I've enjoyed it for a few years with Mac.

Another worth considering with good ratings is the 32" M80C from Samsung. A little shopping around and/or watching for the regular Samsung sales will likely get it for $600 or less... though the hub is substantially less loaded than that Dell.

If Apple fans convince you 5K or bust in posts likely to follow, consider the brand new ASUS 5K monitor for only $799 new. Note however that it shrinks your target screen size down to only 27"... just like ASD. To buy Apple and only Apple at your screen size target, there's only one and its monitor stand alone greatly exceeds your budget target.

One last thing: monitor speakers- like TV speakers- are usually a poor quality option, though give some points to ASD here as those sound pretty good. Perhaps the NEXT gift after this purchase would be some quality dedicated speakers OR consider something most people don't and get a good soundbar with wireless sub to deliver great sound for a relatively cheap add-on cost. No built-in speakers can compete with such a sub for low bass and a soundbar is built to deliver high quality sound in a very competitive environment (often overkill for computer audio purposes). The added hardware space allows quality of sound to be greater than speakers crammed into a "thinner" space.

Regular speakers with sub might be something like the very well-rated Logitec Z407 for about $100 or the Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 for about the same. A low cost soundbar with wireless sub might be one of the Vizio 2.1 soundbars for about $175 or maybe the LGS70TY for about $250. Shop hard for any such options as all such speakers operate in a very competitive space and pricing is always under pressure to work its way DOWN.
 
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My LG ultrafine 32 inch has been quite good( sharp text ) with my M2 Pro mini and sells now for mid $300-ish USD. Lots of ports but no camera.
 
A 32" 4k display may be fine for him.

How's his vision?
If it's not what it used to be (mine isn't), he can set the display for "looks like 1080p" (which is the default setting for Mac OS). YES, the text will be LARGER -- but he may prefer that.

OR...
He could set the display for "looks like 1440p". The text will still be good (though not quite as sharp as 1080p), and he'll have more "screen space".

No matter which display you get...
... download and install "BetterDisplay".
There's a free version and a paid upgrade. The free version may be "all he needs".

With BetterDisplay, he will have lots of choices, and can find the one that works best for him.

Re speakers...
NO display speakers are going to sound as good as a modest set of external self-powered speakers. That's just the way it is.
 
If you want to test this, hook his new Mac to a 4K TV to get a peek at how macOS will look on a 4K panel. You'll find it looks pretty good. Now imagine how much better it will look when that same number of pixels are compressed down to a 32" space vs. whatever size 4K TV you/he may already own now.
Even sitting 10 feet away, it does not look “pretty good” on a 55” XBR hooked up with a quality hdmi 2.1 cable. I find it quite underwhelming as I expected better displaying 4096x2160 content. Text is not as clear as my 1440 Dell. Agreed, I would have to “imagine” how much better it might look on a 32".
 
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Even sitting 10 feet away, it does not look “pretty good” on a 55” XBR hooked up with a quality hdmi 2.1 cable. I find it quite underwhelming as I expected better displaying 4096x2160 content. Text is not as clear as my 1440 Dell. Agreed, I would have to “imagine” how much better it might look on a 32".

I'm not saying hook it PERMANENTLY- just to illustrate how it can look at 4K. Businesses have Macs hooked to TVs hanging on walls for business presentations done every day. It looks fine. I just did one on a 4K monitor from a MB last week. It looked great on that big screen TV.

I offer the TV idea because OP doesn't even have to go to a store to get over the "how bad will it look?" worry spun by the 5K or bust people.

The temp TV experience will certainly NOT look as good as it can on a 4K monitor... but that is a very quick way to get past the spin that it shall & must be 5K and only 5K... which then becomes Apple 5K and only Apple 5K.
 
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A 32" 4k display may be fine for him.

How's his vision?
If it's not what it used to be (mine isn't), he can set the display for "looks like 1080p" (which is the default setting for Mac OS). YES, the text will be LARGER -- but he may prefer that.

OR...
He could set the display for "looks like 1440p". The text will still be good (though not quite as sharp as 1080p), and he'll have more "screen space".

No matter which display you get...
... download and install "BetterDisplay".
There's a free version and a paid upgrade. The free version may be "all he needs".

With BetterDisplay, he will have lots of choices, and can find the one that works best for him.

Re speakers...
NO display speakers are going to sound as good as a modest set of external self-powered speakers. That's just the way it is.
what's BetterDisplay do?
 
A large part of the equation here is how far your Dad will be sitting away from the monitor.

If he sits quite far away, then 32" at 4K might be acceptable. Otherwise, a 27", 4K display might be a better option for text clarity.
 
Given his specific needs, I would look at the Dell UltraSharp U3223QE. That monitor will have everything he's looking for and then some...
I agree with this! We have this exact monitor, and it’s got wonderful colors (because it can handle the P3 color space), a great contrast ratio, a sleek design, crystal clear with HiDPI and a DisplayPort to USB-C connection, and we love it.

I will say though, monitor speakers in general aren’t very great. I’d say a better option than using monitor speakers is just buying an external wired speaker from Amazon (we have one from EDIFIER: Amazon Link).
 
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I have a Dell S2722QC, this is the perfect size and price for me, USB C connection provides DP1.4, PD, internal speakers, and 2 HDMI 2.0 ports.
Good luck and be sure to research the versions supported!
 
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I'm not saying hook it PERMANENTLY- just to illustrate how it can look at 4K. Businesses have Macs hooked to TVs hanging on walls for business presentations done every day. It looks fine. I just did one on a 4K monitor from a MB last week. It looked great on that big screen TV.

I offer the TV idea because OP doesn't even have to go to a store to get over the "how bad will it look?" worry spun by the 5K or bust people.

It certainly will NOT look as good as it can on a 4K monitor... but that is a very quick way to get past the spin that it shall be 5K and only 5K... which then becomes Apple 5K and only Apple 5K.
As in your initial post, you focus on why 5k is “spin”. It’s not spin, it’s higher res and better rendering — at a substantial cost increase compared to 4k. And higher cost because, at present, Apple dominates the market. Samsung's build quality is junk and they’ve had nothing but problems. LG started with problems and build quality is a far cry from Apple’s. 4k vs 5k is a cost issue. At realistic display cost levels, 4k is the value buy. But for others, better build quality, better design, higher quality materials and engineering which allows for a smaller desk footprint with solid fluid movement, seamless operation/functionality with Mac's, not requiring hacks which could be rendered obsolete at the stroke of Apple coding and improved rendering are not “spin”.
 
By spin, I mean all of the stuff we say to help sell ASD. You are correct that 5K > 4K, which is obvious. However, try pushing 6K or 8K vs. ASD until recently and that was then "spun" as too much resolution for Mac. Apparently, only 5K is good... and then, exactly as you illustrate, attack other providers of 5K options so that apparently the only 5K that is good 5K is Apple 5K. Who want's "junk" or "wobbly" or "plasticy" or "100 less nits at peak brightness", etc. Buy ASD. Only ASD. ASD or your eyes will fail. ASD or you'll never get a girl. ASD is the only monitor to consider. ASD or you are inferior to all humans. ;)

OP has already claimed $600 is peak budget so ASD can't fit into that no matter how hard any of us might try the usual spin. No need trying to do the typical sales support effort that leads to ASD and only ASD.

If OP ends up working budget up towards ASD pricing, I'd point them towards that ASUS 5K 27" monitor. It's not far from the stated budget now and still less than half of an ASD price with stand option. The great negative vs. OPs stated wants is that it is only 27"- just like ASD- and OP wants 32" or so.

The LG with "problem and build quality" was the very same monitor Apple pushed in their own stores until they released ASD, and it was apparently just fine by Apple people while Apple was pushing it (for years BTW)... only developing these significant shortcomings when Apple became competition for it. Nothing new with that. If Apple started bottling air, I think 10 or 12 guys would soon smother to death by running out and refusing to breathe inferior, regular air. ;)

However, all OP information considered, I'd still lean towards #2 post recommendation. It's a fine choice at the desired size that fits within the budget, works well with Mac and comes with the abundant mix of useful ports vs. only a few of only 1 kind of port.
 
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Purchased in May 2023 on Amazon. Newer models may have replaced it and I don't have a link for you. The description( which should be web searchable ) is:
LG 32UQ85R-W.AUS 32" UltrafineTM UHD 4K Nano IPS Black with ATW VESA DisplayHDR 400 Monitor with USB Type-CTM
 
• he was looking at BenQ MA320U 32” 4K
BenQ makes excellent monitors for the price, and based on what you've listed that your Dad wants to do, he won't be disappointed in the model he was looking at. If it is within his budget, I'd say go for it.

As other have said, however, monitor manufacturers rarely (as in, never, except for Apple) put any effort into making a good sounding set of speakers integrated into their monitors. If he's just looking for a "beep speaker" for listening to podcasts or video conferencing (ie, talking, not music), then the speakers in the BenQ will be passable, but if he wants some good sound quality, a good separate set of computer speakers (or a receiver with some decent speakers - that's what I rock in my office) will be next on the list.

ETA: Keep in mind, this is a tech enthusiast forum. Like many tech-focused forums on the net, you will encounter a greater-than-average number of people who highly prioritize quality and user-experience over price, and our recommendations are often coloured by that. It is possible that your Dad will be happy with a less expensive monitor (though, do keep in mind that he's been used to a retina iMac). Don't be discouraged by some of the posts you see that recommend expensive graphic-artist-type monitors and make it sound like anything less will be torture for your dad. It won't be. One thing that might be good to do is find a computer retailer near you and actually try out a few monitors they have on display, if possible. Even if they are running on Windows machines, they will likely still look equally fine on a Mac.
 
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