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Just thought I would ask how everyone is finding the scrolling using the mouse wheel in Safari etc.

I have never tried mouse support before on iPadOS, and was pretty excited to try it and spent a few hours fiddling with it yesterday.

Hardware: Ipad Pro 11” (2018), Logitech MX Revolution mouse (using USB receiver plugged directly into the ipad)

Pros:
-Mouse movement is flawless
-Many buttons configurable via Assistive Touch
-Nice programming and animation that adapts the pointer contextually (funny though Apples own Pages doesn’t support cursor yet)

Cons:
-Scrolling is horrendous in Safari. Literally nauseating how jittery it is. Supposedly its smooth on Magic Trackpad, but its Win95 level bad on my MX revolution (this mouse is buttery smooth in Windows and ChromeOS, and has a smoot spinning wheel mode)
-When using my ipad undocked and on my lap, I actually find it more cumbersome to make the mouse do touchscreen things. Like it feels faster to just reach and touch the screen.
-This is somewhat point B of above...on such a tiny 11” screen, is mouse really advantageous to touch?

So actually I’m pretty impressed that Apple did this without mucking up the rest of the OS, and added this feature that could be handy for professionals especially when docked and connected to a bigger screen.

My biggest gripe is the jittery scrolling though, its such a dealbreaker for me that I don’t think I’ll even bother with the mouse again until they fix it. I do enough document creation (I have the Keyboard folio which I love) that I could benefit from it once’s Pages supports a cursor, but not with this issue. Actually the Apple Pencil I tried today had a very nice cursor placement ability when used in Pages (you have to enable it in the menu), so its actually ahead of the mouse in this use case.

So what are your thoughts on the scrolling? Could Apple implement a SmoothScrolling type of technology like Chrome or Windows use, or are you happy with it as is? Please share what mouse you are using as well.
 
Just to add another con (maybe a bug) to the mouse wheel scrolling...

When you are scrolling with the wheel and reach the top or bottom end of the page, it does a weird thing and tries to scroll past the limit of the page and shows a large empty section before springing back to reality. Anyone notice this too? It’s referenced in the Brydge trackpad keyboard preview on this websites main page today. Very un-apple like behavior, and I hope it gets fixed.

At 3:25 of the video...
 
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Moyapilot said:
Just to add another con (maybe a bug) to the mouse wheel scrolling...

When you are scrolling with the wheel and reach the top or bottom end of the page, it does a weird thing and tries to scroll past the limit of the page and shows a large empty section before springing back to reality. Anyone notice this too? It’s referenced in the Brydge trackpad keyboard preview on this websites main page today. Very un-apple like behavior, and I hope it gets fixed.

At 3:25 of the video...
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That bounce is a refresh force - I see it in apps like Yahoo Finance where is does show the refresh wheel and in App Store on Account when looking for updates.
 
Moyapilot said:
Just thought I would ask how everyone is finding the scrolling using the mouse wheel in Safari etc.

I have never tried mouse support before on iPadOS, and was pretty excited to try it and spent a few hours fiddling with it yesterday.

Hardware: Ipad Pro 11” (2018), Logitech MX Revolution mouse (using USB receiver plugged directly into the ipad)

Pros:
-Mouse movement is flawless
-Many buttons configurable via Assistive Touch
-Nice programming and animation that adapts the pointer contextually (funny though Apples own Pages doesn’t support cursor yet)

Cons:
-Scrolling is horrendous in Safari. Literally nauseating how jittery it is. Supposedly its smooth on Magic Trackpad, but its Win95 level bad on my MX revolution (this mouse is buttery smooth in Windows and ChromeOS, and has a smoot spinning wheel mode)
-When using my ipad undocked and on my lap, I actually find it more cumbersome to make the mouse do touchscreen things. Like it feels faster to just reach and touch the screen.
-This is somewhat point B of above...on such a tiny 11” screen, is mouse really advantageous to touch?

So actually I’m pretty impressed that Apple did this without mucking up the rest of the OS, and added this feature that could be handy for professionals especially when docked and connected to a bigger screen.

My biggest gripe is the jittery scrolling though, its such a dealbreaker for me that I don’t think I’ll even bother with the mouse again until they fix it. I do enough document creation (I have the Keyboard folio which I love) that I could benefit from it once’s Pages supports a cursor, but not with this issue. Actually the Apple Pencil I tried today had a very nice cursor placement ability when used in Pages (you have to enable it in the menu), so its actually ahead of the mouse in this use case.

So what are your thoughts on the scrolling? Could Apple implement a SmoothScrolling type of technology like Chrome or Windows use, or are you happy with it as is? Please share what mouse you are using as well.
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I can confirm that scrolling is super-smooth and perfect with the trackpad. I can imagine it’s the same on Magic Mouse 2. I can also confirm it’s pretty horrible on my MX Master 3. My guess is that Logitech mice work bad on iPadOS because they are optimised for Logi Options that don’t exist on the iPad. Maybe Logitech does something, I don’t know. I would like to try a different mouse, but all my mice are Logitech and my Magic Mouse is Generation 1 which doesn’t support scrolling.

But yeah, with a trackpad, it’s flawless.
 
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Moyapilot said:
Just thought I would ask how everyone is finding the scrolling using the mouse wheel in Safari etc.

I have never tried mouse support before on iPadOS, and was pretty excited to try it and spent a few hours fiddling with it yesterday.

Hardware: Ipad Pro 11” (2018), Logitech MX Revolution mouse (using USB receiver plugged directly into the ipad)

Pros:
-Mouse movement is flawless
-Many buttons configurable via Assistive Touch
-Nice programming and animation that adapts the pointer contextually (funny though Apples own Pages doesn’t support cursor yet)

Cons:
-Scrolling is horrendous in Safari. Literally nauseating how jittery it is. Supposedly its smooth on Magic Trackpad, but its Win95 level bad on my MX revolution (this mouse is buttery smooth in Windows and ChromeOS, and has a smoot spinning wheel mode)
-When using my ipad undocked and on my lap, I actually find it more cumbersome to make the mouse do touchscreen things. Like it feels faster to just reach and touch the screen.
-This is somewhat point B of above...on such a tiny 11” screen, is mouse really advantageous to touch?

So actually I’m pretty impressed that Apple did this without mucking up the rest of the OS, and added this feature that could be handy for professionals especially when docked and connected to a bigger screen.

My biggest gripe is the jittery scrolling though, its such a dealbreaker for me that I don’t think I’ll even bother with the mouse again until they fix it. I do enough document creation (I have the Keyboard folio which I love) that I could benefit from it once’s Pages supports a cursor, but not with this issue. Actually the Apple Pencil I tried today had a very nice cursor placement ability when used in Pages (you have to enable it in the menu), so its actually ahead of the mouse in this use case.

So what are your thoughts on the scrolling? Could Apple implement a SmoothScrolling type of technology like Chrome or Windows use, or are you happy with it as is? Please share what mouse you are using as well.
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The Magic Mouse 2 and the Magic Trackpad 2 provide a much better scrolling experience. Is it even worth using a 3rd party mouse?
 
AutomaticApple said:
The Magic Mouse 2 and the Magic Trackpad 2 provide a much better scrolling experience. Is it even worth using a 3rd party mouse?
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Though I just bought the Trackpad 2 myself, I think the major complaint are the prices - like all Apple accessories, they are grossly over-priced. At least the MX Anywhere 2S mouse readily switches among 3 different devices.
 
That programming for force refresh could be behind it. But the fact it happens on apps that don’t do force refresh (like Safari), and that it happens at the bottom end of pages too seems really strange.
sparksd said:
That bounce is a refresh force - I see it in apps like Yahoo Finance where is does show the refresh wheel and in App Store on Account when looking for updates.
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Exactly! I don’t want to be conspiracy theorist, but seems like we are being steered into either a MT2 or the new Magic keyboard case if we want decent scrolling. Having a mouse wheel scroll smoothly isn’t rocket science for the developer of MacOS. Literally everything else is almost perfect with the Logitech mouse.

sparksd said:
Though I just bought the Trackpad 2 myself, I think the major complaint are the prices - like all Apple accessories, they are grossly over-priced. At least the MX Anywhere 2S mouse readily switches among 3 different devices.
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Good to know a fix is coming.

Interesting observation, iOS 13.4 actually improved scrolling on my Logitech MX Ergo which did not have hyper-fast scrolling but broke scrolling on the Logitech M720 which does have the hyper-fast scroll.
 
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rui no onna said:
Good to know a fix is coming.

Interesting observation, iOS 13.4 actually improved scrolling on my Logitech MX Ergo which did not have hyper-fast scrolling but broke scrolling on the Logitech M720 which does have the hyper-fast scroll.
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Thank you for confirming that. My MX Revolution also has the hyper-fast scrolling.

@sparksd Wow, great find. I would prefer to save money and keep my MX and not have to get the Magic Trackpad, so here‘s to hoping!
 
augustya said:
Whats so special about this Mouse ?
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That’s my question too. It is being marketed as specifically designed for iPad, but I really don’t know what that means in this case. For example, does it have firmware that deals with the scrolling issues? I just don’t know. Any way, I thought it was interesting that Logitech was marketing this mouse for a specific use....iPad.
 
aevan said:
I can confirm that scrolling is super-smooth and perfect with the trackpad. I can imagine it’s the same on Magic Mouse 2. I can also confirm it’s pretty horrible on my MX Master 3. My guess is that Logitech mice work bad on iPadOS because they are optimised for Logi Options that don’t exist on the iPad. Maybe Logitech does something, I don’t know. I would like to try a different mouse, but all my mice are Logitech and my Magic Mouse is Generation 1 which doesn’t support scrolling.

But yeah, with a trackpad, it’s flawless.
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Trackpad = Amazing
Magic Mouse 2 = Amazing
Magic Mouse 1 = No scroll but otherwise works.
 
960design said:
Trackpad = Amazing
Magic Mouse 2 = Amazing
Magic Mouse 1 = No scroll but otherwise works.
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I have a cheap Insignia BT Mouse that i have been using with my iPad 7. Scrolling does function, but it is not smooth. Everything else works pretty well.
 
960design said:
Trackpad = Amazing
Magic Mouse 2 = Amazing
Magic Mouse 1 = No scroll but otherwise works.
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Yeah. I’m disappointed my 1st gen MM doesn’t work with scrolling, but also that it would seem Apple fine-tuned this for their input devices and not so much for 3rd party ones. I hope this gets sorted out in the following months, either by Apple or by mice manufacturers. Now that we have official support, I’m guessing manufacturers will start paying attention to iPad.

The funny thing is, my MX Master 3 actually worked better on the previous iPadOS version (in assistive touch mode) than now. Hopefully, it gets fixed.

Also, Apple could make a new version of the Magic Mouse that supports switching between iCloud devices, like AirPods.
 
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Mainsail said:
That’s my question too. It is being marketed as specifically designed for iPad, but I really don’t know what that means in this case. For example, does it have firmware that deals with the scrolling issues? I just don’t know. Any way, I thought it was interesting that Logitech was marketing this mouse for a specific use....iPad.
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I need a mouse, but I'm uncertain because of the scrolling issues. Buy the m350 now, or wait for the i345? I have a Microsoft Wedge that keeps on scrolling way beyond the bounds. It is unusable. Even on a Mac, the Wedge needs an app called Smooze to disable the animated scrolling, and do simple scrolling instead. But on an iPad, the animated scrolling can't be turned off.
 
Moyapilot said:
Just thought I would ask how everyone is finding the scrolling using the mouse wheel in Safari etc.

I have never tried mouse support before on iPadOS, and was pretty excited to try it and spent a few hours fiddling with it yesterday.

Hardware: Ipad Pro 11” (2018), Logitech MX Revolution mouse (using USB receiver plugged directly into the ipad)

Pros:
-Mouse movement is flawless
-Many buttons configurable via Assistive Touch
-Nice programming and animation that adapts the pointer contextually (funny though Apples own Pages doesn’t support cursor yet)
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I have been using the assistive touch version of mouse support for my Logitech mx anywhere 2 mouse since it started. I have hot cornersset up and all the buttons configured and I rather like it.
However, I can’t have all these customised options at the same time as the new mouse cursor features. Is this just me or am I doing it wrong?
 
cupcakes2000 said:
I have been using the assistive touch version of mouse support for my Logitech mx anywhere 2 mouse since it started. I have hot cornersset up and all the buttons configured and I rather like it.
However, I can’t have all these customised options at the same time as the new mouse cursor features. Is this just me or am I doing it wrong?
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You should be able to have both at the same time. You may have to go back into the Assistive Touch settings and re-do the button customizations again from scratch. That does sound like a strange issue for sure.
 
Moyapilot said:
You should be able to have both at the same time. You may have to go back into the Assistive Touch settings and re-do the button customizations again from scratch. That does sound like a strange issue for sure.
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Really! Ok cool. I’ll try that then!
 
Still no fix for the Logitech MX Master 3 mouse? I just picked one up the other day and it certainly isn’t as smooth as the trackpad on the magic keyboard or the Magic Mouse. Is this a Logitech problem.. or an Apple issue?
 
RedlegsFan said:
Still no fix for the Logitech MX Master 3 mouse? I just picked one up the other day and it certainly isn’t as smooth as the trackpad on the magic keyboard or the Magic Mouse. Is this a Logitech problem.. or an Apple issue?
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I also have the Master 3. I think it's an Apple problem based on what others have said in similar threads.
 
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